User talk:125.161.247.3

Lemma
"Lemma" is not a valid part of speech either. Please fix your existing entries before adding any more. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 18:10, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * We don't have parts of speech in Ambon. Our speech flows in a holistic manner. 125.161.247.3 18:18, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There are existing Ambonese Malay terms that have parts of speech just fine (see the subcategories in Category:Ambonese Malay lemmas), so that doesn't appear to be true. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 18:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I did not find lemma among the explicitly disallowed headers in the Entry layout. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Entry_layout#Part_of_speech . Furthermore, adding the parameter lemma to the headword template works just fine. So how sure are you about this? In any case, if you want to add artificial labels to words, you can do it, I won't argue. 125.161.247.3 19:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Any header that is not on that list is nonstandard and should not be used. The list for explicitly disallowed headings is specifically for headings that should really not be used, but which people might think are fine if they were not mentioned. It can admittedly be difficult to determine what the correct part of speech would be for entries in creole or pidgin languages like Ambonese Malay, but so far this has been managed for all existing languages. If nothing else, the part of speech should be decided based on the definitions given. ajar for example has "to learn", which is clearly a verb definition, so it should be categorized as a verb. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 20:30, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You may not have noticed, but all of those entries are in Category:head tracking/unrecognized pos, so it doesn't work "just fine". Every real language has grammatical rules, and parts of speech. You may not recognize them because you use them without thinking about it, but they exist. If you try randomly rearranging the word order, you'll find that certain types of words or groups of words only work in certain parts of the sentence, or with certain particles or constructions. Not every conventional part of speech works the same in every language: in some languages, adjectives are nouns or verbs, in others adjectives can be used as adverbs or nouns. Look at the other Ambonese Malay entries and see how they do it. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:13, 29 July 2022 (UTC)