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Etymology
I think learning a bit more about sound correspondences (both between Vietnamese and its genetically related languages, and between Vietnamese and the historical stages of Chinese) and the diachronic development of Vietnamese would be helpful before you attempt to connect Vietnamese words with other words. It's clear from your edits that you are merely listing "lookalikes" (to put it generously) without any firm ground to stand-on. If you have actual interest in etymology and not simply want to link some Vietnamese words to whatever Chinese words you have in mind, then there're a fair amount of linguistic papers into the historical linguistics of Vietnamese and related languages. PhanAnh123 (talk) 02:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Right, that's interesting, by 'related languages', I assume, you mean, Austroasiatic languages, Tai and possibly Southern Chinese dialects, related by what mean, genetical (I know it's a funny tag to put on 'languages'), historical? Are there good sources that included phonetic & comparative analysis on the origin of the morpheme 'nấm' as far as I am aware of, would be great if you could include your sources, of course I by no mean suggesting the existing evidence you put on proto-Vietic reconstruction or Cuoi language, however, it's very unlikely they could be mere coincidence, nor am i suggesting the direction of borrowing now. Just saying, for example the Sino-Vietnamese 郷 has it's non-Sino-Vietnamese reading 'làng' from the radical 良 (SV: lương), or in the case of 含 (SV: hàm), which our only explanation as to how it can be read as both 'hàm' and 'gồm' is by deductive phonological analysis via the phonetic 今 [k] assimilation to [ɣ], whatever stages of Chinese development is hardly a decisive evidence to support especially in grey-waters as historical linguistics. A bit 'curiosity' doesn't kill the cat, in my opinion. Much like 江 (SV: hương) vs non-SV: sông, among various much older words in Vietnamese, which we couldn't put any better label on than 'false-cognacy', which is just shabby. There is also the ever-preying possibility of hyper-foreignisation or pseudo-sinification, which is to say a locally invented reading of Chinese character based off readily available Chinese texts, but with no direct exposure to native speakers of any Chinese dialect at the time, considering Vietnamese language's state of being under strong however geographically relatively isolated from Sinitic languages, I don't see how could you positively remain so conservative? Yes, Vietnamese is a by and large Austro-asiatic language by virtues of Syntax and Retention of Core lexicon, but it's also the most Sinicised language within the whole of South East Asia, & quite possibly the world, much akin to English being the most Latinised language there is, Vietnamese is by and large much more Sinicised than English is Latinised, something to ponder about, no? And i don't mean that as a competition. 2403:5815:7408:0:0:0:0:1005 03:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)