User talk:Ariamihr

--Vahag (talk) 19:48, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Some notes on interwikis
Hello, I noticed you've been adding interwikis to templates. These should placed in the  section of a documentation page like. Otherwise they will get transcluded into entries. Also, we since the installation of a new plugin, we no longer need to add them in entries. — JohnC5 13:43, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Babel
Thank you for your contributions! I've been meaning to expand Sogdian entries for a while. Just a small request, could you add babel to your user page? It's useful for knowing which languages you know, so people know who to go for help. —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 16:15, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Middle Persian
Hello and thank you for your work on Persian and related languages ☺. I noticed you mention Middle Persian on your user page. The category Category:Middle_Persian_entry_maintenance has some entries that might need work, for example Category:Middle_Persian_terms_needing_native_script, in case you hadn't seen it and it interests you at all. Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 15:09, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

PIE *-r̥
Please do not add descendants to PIE suffix entries that were not productive in that language. PIE *-r̥ was not productive in Iranian. --Victar (talk) 16:09, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Iranian family names and codes
For the Iranian family names and codes, please see User:Victar/family trees. -- 16:38, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Formatting mistakes
Ariamihr, your making a lot of formatting mistakes in descendants sections of entries: And the various other misformats I ping you about. Thanks. -- 09:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Do not use top in the middle of the section.
 * 2) Do not create blank desc and l entries for missing languages or branches.
 * 3) Take care to properly format dialects using   and   and in alphabetical order, not ordered by prestige.
 * 4) Format script variants using desc and make use of sc when no native text is added.
 * 5) Language code   is deprecated. Use pal instead.
 * 6) Use t instead of the deprecated gloss
 * 7) Do not create language groups for a single descendant, with the exception at the root level in Iranian, ex. Southwestern Iranian
 * 8) Do not detail predictable changes within in a language
 * Ariamihr, I made some to your recent edit. Please take note. Thanks. --  18:17, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Ariamihr, again you're using language code  . That code has been discontinued. Please instead use desc. --  04:57, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , please refrain from using language code . --  15:57, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Ariamihr, you again and  added a top in the middle of the section. In that last edit, you also added unnecessary blank languages parents (point #2). Please read carefully through my guidelines above. I see you making effort, but if these formatting mistakes continue, you may be subject to a block. Thanks. --  15:54, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Ariamihr, languages should be in alphabetical order, not ordered by prestige and based of their name, not their modifier. So Parthian followed by Old Persian and Manichaean by Book Pahlavi. Thanks. -- 19:46, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Old Mazanderani
Ariamihr, could you please tell me how you're defining "Old Mazanderani" and what your sources are for it? Thanks. -- 18:28, 31 March 2019 (UTC).
 * Dear Victar. The Old Mazandarani or Tabari is an extincted language that used by early Mazandaranies especially in Islamic era. Nowadays that language have been fallen and replaced by new Mazandarani. We have alot of papers, books (such as translation of Quran in Tabari or history books) and poems in Old Mazandarani. I can provide some texts in TabariAriamihr (talk) 20:40, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply, Ariamihr. Yes, I would appreciate it if you could provide some online sources. I've never seen Old Mazanderani/Tabari referenced as a different language than Modern Mazanderani. If we're talking about just some archaisms, I don't think we should be calling them separate languages. -- 04:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I've been reading Habib Borjian's thoughts on the matter and these are the proposals I came up with. Please give me your opinions, if you have any. Thanks.

-- 23:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Victar, the Proposal #2 is closer and we must add some another languages to it. plz remove this title "Proto-tabari" on Gilaki, because Gilaks and the people who live in Gilan are not and were not Tabarian (Tapurian). In addition we had "Deylami Language" in Gilan that today has been falled. So plz write the code according on this facs:
 * Proto-Gelaeo-Daylamic:
 * Gilaki
 * dialects of Gilaki
 * Deylamian (an extincted language)
 * Proto-Tapurian:
 * Old Tabari
 * Modern Tabari (Mazndarani)
 * dialects of Mazandarani
 * Shahmirzadi
 * Proto-Hyrcanian:
 * Gorgani (an extincted language):
 * --Ariamihr (talk) 04:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I don't quite agree with your suggestions.
 * Gilan was united under Tabaristan in 645 CE, so the Gilaks were indeed Tapurians during a period you could call Proto-Tabari (or Proto-Tapurian, if you prefer), which would encompass a dialectal continuum. That said, I'm not opposed to using Proto-Hyrcanian. -- 15:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * is unattested, so we have no idea what language it was actually related to and have no entries to create for it. Trying to connect it to Gilaki would be conjecture, at best.
 * If you place Shahmirzadi under Mazanderani/Modern Tabari, you have to make it a dialect of the language, as exampled in Proposal #1.
 * (Ariamihr, you keep trying to ping me by typing  but 1. the spelling of the word is "reply", not "replay", and 2. the way to ping people is using Victar)
 * -- 15:25, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

*ǵerh₂-
Ariamihr, you need to be careful about adding Iranian words it PIE entries. Many of those which you added to are secondary, like 🇨🇬, and don't belong on the PIE page. -- 16:15, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

desctree and desc
Ariamihr, you've done this a few times now, but when you see desctree and desc, that means that to add content to those, the former being descendants and the latter alternatives, you need to add them to their respective pages. So the descendants of 🇨🇬 need to be added there, not to 🇨🇬. -- 18:10, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Creating reconstruction entries
Ariamihr, you need to add the proper stems to entries you create, which you failed to do so. You also neglected to add any sources, which is imperative for creating reconstructed entries. I also need to mention that creating reconstructed entries for *-akah and *-ikah derivatives is often ill-advised because those suffixes were and are highly productive in many Iranian languages. -- 19:34, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

*ȷ́ŕ̥dayam
Ariamihr, can you please attempt to fix your entry for 🇨🇬. -- 13:48, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Your edits many of the problems with it so I will outline the ones I have mentioned in the past here again.


 * 1) Sources are required for reconstructed entries. If you cannot comply with that, I will seek that you are blocked from en.Wikt. If you think I am exaggerating, please see User talk:Irman
 * 2) You need to stop adding blank tree levels, like you did with Old Ossetic and Middle Median
 * 3) Scripts should be in alphabetic order, i.e. Manichaean, Book Pahlavi, Inscriptional Pahlavi, Psalter Pahlavi
 * -- 16:15, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Manichaean
Ariamihr, why do you on placing Manichaean at the bottom of script lists? Manichaean alphabetically comes before Pahlavi, Sogdian and Syriac. -- 13:57, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ariamihr, you're actions in indicate that you are continuing to do this intentionally. Please desist. --  21:44, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Unnecessary sources
Ariamihr, you don't need to add sources for words in descendants lists unless they're reconstructed or contentious in some way. -- 15:05, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ariamihr, you continue to add these to the descendants sections on pages. I'm going to start just reverting your edits if this continue to be so poorly made. -- 19:46, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Ariamihr, please  STOP ADDING SOURCES FOR ATTESTED WORDS IN DESCENDANTS LISTS  and  ADD SOURCES FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION  instead. -- 15:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Ariamihr, never a T:RFD that another user adds to a page you create, especially before the issue has been resolved. You created a duplicate entry in of, merging it into. Despite all the mostly useless sources you added, you didn't add a source for the reconstruction itself -- again. Also, many of the Persian borrowings you added look suspicious, at best, and at the very least, you should have sources to their borrowing from other Iranian languages. These types of dubious etymological derivations aren't tolerated. -- 19:12, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed all the misattributed entries, added some missing ones, added proper sourcing, removing the unnecessary ones, and fixed all the template and formatting mistakes, clearing the RFD. -- 02:28, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Order of Middle Persian scripts
Ariamihr, again, please sort Middle Persian scripts as follows: -- 15:40, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Middle Persian:
 * Manichaean:
 * Book Pahlavi:
 * Inscriptional Pahlavi:
 * Psalter Pahlavi:
 * Pazend:
 * Why I have to follow this bloody order?! If is it alphabetical, why M is before B? Everyone knows that Book pahlavi is prime script for Middle Persian not Manichean. Why you want make artificial and fake data for Iranian languages? Are you native for this language or not? If you are not native for this language and don't have academic certificate, so please don't interfere in this. Ok?!
 * Ariamihr, do you see the parts I bolded? This is what they are alphabetically ordered by, just as Old Persian comes after Parthian, the modifier is not the sorting factor. Think of it as 1. Manichaean, 2. Pahlavi, Book. Also, we do not order languages in order of prestige, as you're suggesting with Book Pahlavi. If you cannot comply with formatting standards, you may be subject to a block from en.Wikt. -- 16:20, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Comments on
-- 02:20, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) ira-noun is not a valid template; use ira-pro instead. Please use the previewer to see if it produces any errors before you hit publish.
 * 2) If you're moving PII contents to new PIr entries, a) you need to source the new page, and b) it would be good to add a link to the PII entry in the etymology.
 * 3) The definitions are for the word itself, not what some descendants innovate.
 * 4) You need to add - to dialect and script parent node, i.e. ku, xpr, pal.
 * 5) Borrowings always go under inherited forms, i.e. fa-cls before xpr.
 * 6) When a descendant is actually the derivative of different proto form, it should be placed under Derived terms, i.e. Pashto.
 * 7) You give no source for the derivation of Azerbaijani, which if even true, is subject to the point above.
 * 8) What is your source for the Christian Syriac Sogdian forms? It looks to me like you're confusing extries marked with S as Syriac, when the S actually stands for Sogdian.


 * Follow-up to your recent edits:
 * Thank you for the source to Azerbaijani borrowing.
 * What is this the source of the reconstruction of *máduHā́fš? Also, please don't hyphenate reconstructions, as you did with *mádu-Hā́fš.
 * Again, borrowings always go under inherited forms. You were in error to go back and revert that, so I hope it was it mistake this time.
 * Please also try and spell-check your English, because you again misspelled water as watter, as I pointed out above.
 * -- 03:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * why do you want write down every reconstruction nouns in Latin script? As you know, Old Azari has been written in Perso-Arabic script.
 * On en.Wikt, we reconstruct scantily attested languages in Latin. Really, we should be reconstructing OP in Latin as well. -- 19:00, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Root Prefix entries
Ariamihr, don't create root entries for PII and PIr. We have a few old entries that need to be converted to verbs/nouns or deleted, but since then, we've moved to root categories. -- 15:27, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Ah, strike that, I see it's actually a prefix entry. Well, similarly, all words derived from a prefix and automatically sorted in categories using af or prefix, like Category:Proto-Iranian words prefixed with *duš-, and shouldn't be placed in the derived terms sections. -- 15:43, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Comments on
-- 16:08, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) REPEAT: If you're moving PII contents to new PIr entries, a) you need to source the new page, and b) it would be good to add a link to the PII entry in the etymology.
 * 2) Again, your sources that you added for the attested words belong on their respective entries, and are unnecessary and clutter the parent entry and will be removed.
 * 3) This is key for suffix and prefix entries: Do not add descendants to them unless they are productive suffixes in that language. If the Sogdian form is only found in inherited compounds and not new constructions, it was not productive and should not be included.
 * 4) Please be careful about adding the correct templates to entries. *duš- had Proto-Indo-Iranian as its header, which is a pretty frequent occurrence in your entries
 * 5) Per above, you don't need to manually add words with this prefix to the entry and they will be sorted to the category with the right templates and can be pulled us using ira-pro
 * 6) You added a bunch of very broken entries related to this one, like, which despite being a Iranian noun, is labeled as a Proto-Indo-Iranian prefix. It also looks as though, in your copy-paste haste, you forgot to remove some of the prefix entries from . You also added a PIE reconstruction for the word, even though it has no cognates outside of Iranian. Honestly, it's really a mess of an entry. See my edit comments on  as well.

Formatting
I've mentioned this several times now but NEVER EVER add top2 or top3 in the middle of a section like you did. Please STOP. -- 19:20, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

*čášmakah
Ariamihr, please create a new entry for. -- 19:57, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

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Your block
It takes a lot of work for other editors to clean up after your mistakes with formatting that leave broken entries and your lack of sources for reconstructions, among other problems. These have been pointed out to you, and you have not responded or made any effort to learn how to improve. As a result, and following repeated warnings, I am blocking you for three days. If you don't understand why this is happening, please ask and or I can explain. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:26, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Iranian/námah
There were a ton of issues with your entry for Reconstruction:Proto-Iranian/námah, most of which I've put to you before, but you continue to neglect. You've been temporarily blocked because after three block warnings, you refuse to comply with any of the above guidelines, particularly the ones above that I've had to repeat several times now. Your edits detract from the quality of en.Wikt. If you continue without adjusting, you risk a second longer block. -- 22:20, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Don't create entries when you have no clue what the reconstructed form is. All, with the exception of Avestan, belong at Reconstruction:Proto-Iranian/namaHčah instead. Reconstruction:Proto-Iranian/Hača is another dumpster fire which I have to clean up after you
 * 2) REPEAT: No sources to the actual reconstruction, accompanied by useless references to the attested forms. This is made even more important as, mentioned above, you lack the ability to properly reconstruct Proto-Iranian
 * 3) REPEAT: Wrong header, use   on Proto-Iranian entries
 * 4) REPEAT: ira-noun is not a valid templates, use ira-pro
 * 5) REPEAT: Don't reconstruct Old Azari in Arabic, use Latin script
 * 6) REPEAT: Don't add empty parent entries to the descendants list with only one child (hyper-hierarchization)
 * 7) REPEAT: Sort script variants by their script name
 * 8) REPEAT: If you're moving content from parent entries to child entries, you need to add see desc on the original page (or use desctree when appropriate)
 * 9) Don't add manual transliterations (tr) to Kurdish entries; those are created automatically
 * 10) Don't nest Iranian Persian, Tajik, etc., as if they're dialects of Classical Persian using

Reconstruction:Proto-Iranian/tŕ̥šyati
Ariamihr, you created Reconstruction:Proto-Iranian/tŕ̥šyati, which was reconstructed as a verb, with adjectival and nominal descendants from at least four different roots. Total mess. If you don't know what you're doing, please keep it to the PIE entry and don't new create PII and PIr entries. -- 03:25, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Reconstructions and formatting
Again, 1. please reconstruct Old Persian in Latin characters, 2. please use lang for dialect parents, i.e. ku, xme-ker, 3. don't hyper-hierarchize descendents list, i.e. adding Zaza-Gorani: with only one child language. -- 18:51, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Iranian/carHdáh
Ariamihr: -- 01:03, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) REPEAT: You have several reconstructions, not just for Proto-Iranian, but also Parthian and Sogdian but no sourcing.
 * It's also a good idea to source borrowing if there's no entry to cite the suspected borrowing.
 * 1) REPEAT: Reconstruction should be in Latin, which includes Middle Persian, Parthian, and Sogdian.
 * 2) REPEAT: Please don't add hyphens to compound Proto-Iranian words.
 * 3) Please use t for definitions in desc, l, and m.
 * 4) Pronunciations of dead languages is assumed reconstructed, you don't need to add   to ts.
 * 5) Aramaic has its own formatting specifications. I recommend you look at how those entries are formatting first.

Bostani Writing System
What do you think of the Bostani alphabet for Persian, Dari, Tajik and Middle Persian? --Apisite (talk) 02:22, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

վարակ
Hi. I can't find this etymology in standard sources. Is it your original research? Vahag (talk) 11:14, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, I did it regarding the word structure. also, I saw in Armenian Wikitionary mentioned perhaps it has Iranian root. Ariamihr (talk) 11:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Other meanings of this word even in Old Armenian can have same analoge meaning in classic new persian, such as branch, node, etc.
 * you can look at Dehkhoda Dictionary and find them even with qoutations of Persian works. Ariamihr (talk) 11:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

learning Middle Persian
Dear Ariamihr, I saw in your User Page that you said you were majoring in Middle Iranian languages which happens to be one of my biggest interests. I am currently self-teaching myself Middle Persian using any sources I can get. I usually get texts from parsig database, but also use pdf texts such as that of madiyan i hazar dadestan. For dictionaries I mainly use Mackenzie, but also other ones I can find online. Anyways, I was interested in joining your telegram group, so that hopefully we can cooperate and collaborate in any way. Please let me know if you are interested. Thanks in advance. --MarkParker1221 (talk) 03:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)