User talk:Bcent1234

Welcome
--Daniel Carrero (talk) 21:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Syllable counting
The number of syllables in English is not always reliable based on syllabification. — JohnC5 19:36, 25 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The number of syllables in any language is always reliable based on syllabification. That is what syllabification is defined to be. I agree it might not be the same as hyphenation. Bcent1234 (talk)
 * That is unfortunately not the case for stress-timed languages. See the discussion here. — JohnC5 20:08, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Request for guidance
I simply want to mark English words by the number of syllables so it will be easier to teach friends who are learning English. Apparently boldly creating the categories is not the way to do it, as they were deleted in less than a day. (I don't know why there wasn't a Request for Deletion, just a bold deletion.} How do I accomplish what I want to do ?
 * Greetings. See Category:English words by number of syllables for multiple syllable categories. I populated them per your request. Unfortunately, the categories for 1 and 2 syllables are poorly populated, because the entries themselves are lacking the correct syllable markers. They may be fixed by adding the dot (.) and stress marker (ˈ) in the template wherever they are needed.
 * The categories for 3 or more syllables seem to be OK. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 08:52, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Daniel, I note that https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/no doesn't get categorized as 1 syllable. Is that because it uses a complex template instead of just IPA ? Bcent1234 (talk) 20:30, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The entry no is using a separate template called . You are correct, that template was not categorizing entries by their syllables, but now it is. The entry no should be categorized as 1 syllable now. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 21:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/acrid#Pronunciation and https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/adage#Pronunciation doesn't get categorized as 2 syllables. even though it uses the IPA template. I don't understand Bcent1234 (talk) 20:39, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I changed the category names for 1 and 2 syllable words in English. See Category:English supposedly 1-syllable words and Category:English supposedly 2-syllable words.
 * The older categories (Category:English 1-syllable words and Category:English 2-syllable words) are being automatically emptied at the moment; it will take some time before they are completely empty. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 21:19, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Primary stress
Re a few of your recent edits: you can't have two primary stress markers (ˈ) in one pronunciation. You can use the secondary stress marker (ˌ) or the syllable marker (.) for the remaining syllables. Keith the Koala (talk) 07:34, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * You can have two primary stresses in one pronunciation, although it's very rare in single words. The difference is secondary stress is literally less stressed than the primary stress, while two primary stresses are equally stressed. --WikiTiki89 10:19, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Secondary stress marks
These aren't the same as syllable boundaries. Please stop adding them, because you don't understand what you're doing. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 19:26, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe you mean to add periods (.), which are used to delineate syllable boundaries where there is nothing to note about stress. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 19:39, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I do want to delineate syllable boundaries. I will use a period (.) instead of a ˌ Bcent1234 (talk) 19:43, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * In general, if you have a poor understanding of IPA, you should ask before making changes that are actually incorrect and requiring me to waste my time undoing them. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 19:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually I did ask about IPA, and no mention was made that there were two separate marks. Perhaps the documentation for the IPA template should be updated. Bcent1234 (talk) 20:00, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Entry layout
Please put the pronunciation section just before the noun/adj/whatever section. For example, ...example. See WT:ELE for more detail. Ultimateria (talk) 16:03, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

IPA issues again
Please don't use /a/. Here are the symbols we use on Wiktionary for phonemic transcriptions of English: Appendix:English pronunciation. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You said: Please don't use /a/. on my talk page. Could you show me where I used it? I really doubt I did as I usually simply copy pronunciations and add syllable markers. I'd be glad to fix it. Bcent1234 (talk) 18:38, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * is it possible that you were talking about https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=anthroposphere ? The a in the IPA has been there since the article was created in 2008. I only copied the pronunciation to the plural form and added the syllable markers. Could you guide me in what should be used? 18:53, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * ɘ is not a schwa! Be careful! Equinox ◑ 18:26, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The "long schwa" you added at ambivert is wrong for that vowel too. Equinox ◑ 18:27, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I assume the long schwa you referred to on my talk page is where a schwa is followed by the faint colon (I don't know its name). In tracing back, that pronunciation has been on that page since the pronunciation was first added in 2010. I'm simply adding syllabification, but if it helps us review the pronunciation, I don't mind being the scapegoat. It makes wiktionary more accurate. Bcent1234 (talk) 18:33, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I forget how many nonstandard old IPA transcriptions there are on here. See the appendix I linked above for how to correct them. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:12, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

1-syllable
User:Sobreira/Monosyllables Sobreira ►〓 (parlez) 08:22, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Category links
Hi there, please add category links only at the bottom of the language section, makes them easier to find, see the following page for more info: Entry layout - Category links. Thanks! – Jberkel (talk) 17:23, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * it's a bit late to tell me your preference. I am sorry, but I will not comply with your request. I have made several thousand by now, and this is the first mention of your preference. I always place the syllable count at the end of the Pronunciation section. That is the easiest way for auditors to see it, and compare the count of syllables with the EnPr or IPA pronunciation. Alternately, I place it after the English tag. When there is no Pronunciation section, I will comply with your preference and move it to the bottom of the language section, before any tag for the next language, if it exists. Bcent1234 (talk) 17:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree with Jberkel. You don't necessarily have to go and fix what you've added already, but from now on, please add them at the bottom of the language section. --WikiTiki89 17:57, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Also to say this is Jberkel's "preference" is to underestimate how widespread and orthodox this practice is. — JohnC5 18:20, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and no need to change the existing entries, I can probably do an AWB run to fix them up. – Jberkel (talk) 18:46, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I am concerned about the auditability of putting the category for the number of syllables in a place other than the Pronunciation section. Will this make the work of a reviewer too onerous ? Bcent1234 (talk) 20:29, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree that it's easier to handle if related information is bundled together. However it's also important to have consistent formatting across entries. The only solution I could think of would be to have the category be generated by a template/module placed in the pronunciation section. – Jberkel (talk) 02:33, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Overlinking
I have undone this edit at tooth. Words in quotations should not be linked per WT:EL. I also think that is a bad case of overlinking in any case. You seem to be doing a lot of that, but I'm not sure that it is helpful to link that many words in an entry. Better to judiciously choose words that may be unfamiliar to the reader, or are being used with an unusual meaning. Spinning Spark ''' 10:59, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Hebrew entries
Do not create "full vowelization" entries for Hebrew. DTLHS (talk) 19:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

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