User talk:Chuterix/Chuterix's Proto-Japonic Reconstruction Dictionary Project

羊 (resolved)
Heya, saw your listing of pintunsi. Is there any reason to assume prenasalization of the "t"? I haven't encountered any form ひずじ, only ひつじ. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:08, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * That was a mistake, see for the real entry of “sheep” Chuterix (talk) 01:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Now updating entry links Chuterix (talk) 01:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * P.S. I’ve also added etymology for (only found attestation on Kotobank  (Daijiten) unless I overlooked), so if you can analyze that it would be great :) Chuterix (talk) 01:05, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hold on, I’m editing Japanese entry right now. Chuterix (talk) 03:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

はじむ
Likely either from はし "edge" + む "look like, behave like, become like"; or from は "edge" + しめる "to have, to possess" -- in either case, from the idea of "edge" = "start, beginning". See also related idea in term はつ "first of something". ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:27, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

こらす・ころす
The "chastise" sense appears to be etymologically distinct from the "kill" sense -- see also https://kotobank.jp/word/%E6%87%B2-568071 with the note:

"[語誌](1)自動詞上二段活用「懲る」の他動詞形. 「殺す」と同系の語とする説もあるが、アクセントが異なる（懲ろす 平平上、殺す 上上平）ので、別語と考えるべきか."

Also, the reading ころす for the sense "chastise" doesn't appear until the late 1100s.

HTH! ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Conjunctive て
I've read that this is originally the 未然形 and 連用形 of verb completion aspect marker, which apparently conjugated with a 下二段 pattern. See also the NKD entry here. The NKD entry speculates that this might be from, but that strikes me as very strange semantics. I suspect instead that this might be a shifted-conjugation form of an ancient copula, also appearing as genitive / copular particle and adverbial / quotative / conjunctive particle. See also corresponding verb completion aspect marker, genitive / copular particle , and adverbial / directional / locative particle. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 00:40, 16 November 2022 (UTC)