User talk:GianWiki

Umbrian
Hi. About this: the Italic script for Umbrian should be  entered in Unicode characters, not as images. --Vahag (talk) 14:06, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, Vahagn. Yes, I probably should have used Unicode characters. I just thought rendering the stylistic variants of Old Italic script (Umbrian, in this case) could be a good thing to do. Thanks for the advice.

GianWiki (talk) 14:19, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The image can be shown in the page for, when it is created. --Vahag (talk) 15:15, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

五蘊/五蕴
See my changes: 五蘊 and 五蕴. Thanks. Good job by the way. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 21:42, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Adding dashes to separate out language sections
Make sure you add four dashes to separate out the language sections. See here: Added dashes Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 02:47, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

IPA

 * 1) Chinese languages are tonal. These IPA-notated pronunciations are therefore basically inaccurate.
 * 2) 蘊 in Beijing Mandarin is /yn51/, not /jʊn51/.
 * 3) 春 in Guangzhou Cantonese is /tsʰɵn55/3/.

Wyang (talk) 02:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Avestan, Middle Persian, etc.
Hi. Thanks for adding those scripts. Do you look up the exact spellings in dictionaries or do you "detransliterate" yourself from a given romanization? --Vahag (talk) 19:52, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I "detransliterate" after looking up the script's characteristics (e.g. vowel omission) and checking if the given spelling is plausible according to the script transliteration.
 * Please don't do that. We need the exact spellings as attested in extant manuscripts, which are capable of passing WT:CFI, not hypothetical detransliterations. Also, I have to revert most of your recent edits to Armenian and Persian entries, because they are wrong, e.g. is not derived from Middle Persian *vitang. --Vahag (talk) 20:02, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * My apologies. Reading that is related to, I think I inadvertently assumed the two to be cognates (a silly mistake, I have to say). With this assumption, I went further and assumed the Etymology entry for  could be applied for  as well (I mainly thought so because, sometimes, etymological information is included in an entry yet missing in a 'cognate' entry, as far as I've seen. I just thought this was one of those cases). Again, I apologize: I will try to not to rush things the next time.
 * GianWiki (talk) 20:34, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I made many similar mistakes when I started editing Wiktionary. --Vahag (talk) 20:56, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

A Welcome, and a Note
Please pay special attention to our Criteria For Inclusion. We go by usage, not whether it can be found in a dictionary. Some of your recent Latin entries for modern technology seem unlikely to exist in actual use, though Latin is still used by the Vatican, so I could be wrong. Chuck Entz (talk) 00:21, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I myself do not know how widespread their usage may be, but I believe that the very existence of these terms, and to the fact that someone took the time to plan and construct them in order to somewhat revitalize the language by expanding its lexicon (see the |Lexicon Recentis Latinitatis found at the | Holy See website or the 2007 |Auxiliary Spanish-Latin Dictionary for a Modern Usage of Latin) is reason enough for their inclusion.on Wiktionary. I might be wrong, but I believe this should be taken into consideration.

GianWiki (talk) 01:37, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention that some of your entries have been challenged at WT:RFV. There's some debate as to whether modern Latin is covered by the partial exemption in the CFI for languages with little documentation. Classical Latin is, but modern usage is a separate issue. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:35, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese
The pages you created (戰國, 战国) were full of errors. Please stop adding languages you are not familiar with. Wyang (talk) 00:50, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Latin proper noun forms
Could you please add to these entries under the ===Proper noun=== header? It provides a bold headword and categorizes. Thank you. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:07, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Reversion of your 大麻 edit
Hi,

Please read Votes/pl-2014-04/Unified Chinese and related discussions, which affect the new policy for entries in Chinese topolects. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 13:09, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Ancient v Modern Greek
Thanks for trying to help - but the pronunciation sections which you added belong in an Ancient Greek entry. &mdash; Saltmarsh απάντηση 17:46, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

aeque atque
(might as well post it here) I don't see how this is not sum-of-parts. --Fsojic (talk) 14:01, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Could you be more specific as to what you mean by that? GianWiki (talk) 14:22, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It's just that I don't see how there is a need for this entry when we already have and . There isn't some special meaning to this locution that couldn't be deduced from the two words that compound it. At least that's what I think. --Fsojic (talk) 14:32, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of creating the page after seeing it was one of the | Requested entries for Latin. GianWiki (talk) 14:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Grazie!
Grazie per le tue contribuzioni! Nonostante sia irreligioso, in realtà preferisco la fonologia ecclesiastica perch’è più italiana. ☺ --Romanophile (talk) 14:11, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

indigent
Most Romance nouns and adjectives derive from the Latin accusative form, so saying it derived from is technically correct. Showing that form also makes it much more obvious how the modern form came to be (the nominative has no final -t in it after all). So maybe something like ? That way it shows the actual form it derived from, but still links to the right lemma. —CodeCat 14:32, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure to what extent lemma forms are to be preferred in such cases, but your proposal seems reasonable - GianWiki (talk) 14:55, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know either. I've seen entries linked in the way it was originally, in the way I suggested above, and also just with the lemma alone. It also seems to differ for different words; first and second declension words are always linked directly from what I've seen, but third declension ones sometimes not. For verbs most entries link to the first principal part, some to the infinitive, and some link to the first part but show the infinitive (like I did above). So I don't really know what the preferred practice is. —CodeCat 15:49, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * For verbs, I remember reading somewhere that the present first-person singular form is preferred; I don't recall ever finding such clues about nouns, though. - GianWiki (talk) 15:54, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

etrusco
Extra heading levels are only used when there are multiple etymology sections. — Ungoliant (falai) 16:47, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you very much for the information. GianWiki (talk) 16:50, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

aurum
Right now, both pronunciations are listed as Classical ( produces a Classical pronunciation, and the other pronunciation is tagged ). Was one of them supposed to be Ecclesiastical? - -sche (discuss) 03:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right: I forgot to rename the template. Thanks for letting me know. GianWiki (talk) 19:53, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your additions
... but please be careful!  —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:05, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You're right. I will be more careful. GianWiki (talk) 23:21, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Latin Ecclesiastical pronunciation
Hi GianWiki. I see you add a lot of Latin Ecclesiastical pronunciatory transcriptions. Do you think it's possible to automate the generation of Ecclesiastical pronunciatory transcriptions similarly to the way Classical pronunciatory transcriptions are currently generated for Latin terms by ? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I've been thinking about this myself, and my guess is that a template - similar to the already existing or  for Classical pronunciation - might be the solution. I've also thought about doing it myself, but I'm afraid I don't know the first thing about writing a template from scratch; otherwise, I probably would have already done it. If you happen to have any advice in regard to this, please feel free to share it. GianWiki (talk) 12:41, 18 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I was thinking more or less the same thing. (BTW, there is no difference between and ; the actual template is, whilst  just redirects to .) Ideally, what we would do is edit  and Module:la-pronunc in such a way that  would end up generating both the current Classical transcriptions and the desired Ecclesiastical transcriptions (perhaps with presentation like , but without the collapsibility feature); that should be possible as long as the input text used to generate Classical transcriptions (e.g.,  ) is sufficient for generating Ecclesiastical transcriptions, too. AFAICT, the editors that have developed this template and module are CodeCat, Keφr, and kc_kennylau. I don't have the Lua-coding ability to make the necessary changes myself, but as long as we get the help of one or more of those editors (That would be greatly appreciated, CodeCat, Keφr, and/or kc_kennylau.) and you can provide the principles of Ecclesiastical pronunciation, I'd be more than willing to do what I can to develop Latin Ecclesiastical pronunciatory autotranscription. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 20:33, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I can help. Basically what's the rule for stressed syllables in Ecclesiastical Latin? Is it the same as Classical Latin? --kc_kennylau (talk) 00:14, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * There are only a few differences from the existing Classical Latin pronunciation template(s):
 * give when preceding, and  elsewhere ( phonetically geminated when intervocalic:  → ).
 *  gives when preceding a vowel, and  elsewhere.
 *  gives ; give regardless of position.
 *  gives (phonetically geminated when intervocalic:  → );  gives.
 * give (maybe  can be arranged to phonetically give an  in order to avoid ambiguity).
 * Stress accent is exactly the same as in Classical Latin. No phonemically long vowels (but vowels in open, stressed syllables are phonetically long ( → ). GianWiki (talk) 01:13, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Please refer to caelum, the first test of the new feature. --kc_kennylau (talk) 01:00, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help. According to the description, should give.


 * Done. --kc_kennylau (talk) 09:23, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Vowels in open, stressed syllables are only lengthened in phonetic pronunciation, not in the phonemic one . GianWiki (talk) 09:41, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, I forgot to add that  should give . GianWiki (talk) 09:45, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for working on this, guys. Is there anything you need me to do to help with this? @GianWiki: Re " give when preceding ", I assume that this "softening" also occurs when those consonants precede ⟨y⟩, yes?  — I.S.M.E.T.A. 10:15, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You are right, thanks. I forgot to mention it earlier. GianWiki (talk) 11:13, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Would you please provide me words to test? I'll send you the test results and you can help me to point out where's wrong. --kc_kennylau (talk) 13:26, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. Here's a few:, , , , , , , , . They should cover all the aforementioned points. --- GianWiki (talk) 14:23, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Template:la-IPA/documentation. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:35, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work.
 * Long vowels are not phonemes in Ecclesiastical Latin, so no lengthening is needed in the phonemic trascription (e.g. ). If - simlarly to the Classical pronunciation - a phonetic pronunciation is also going to be shown (e.g. ), that's where it belongs.
 * Labialized velars are to be rendered in Ecclesiastical as simple velar-labiovelar sequences . For example: →  ;.
 * Also, for some reason, Ecclesiastical rendering of got the stress accent wrong.
 * I again thank you very much for your effort, and apologize for my pedantry. --- GianWiki (talk) 17:13, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Accordingly modified. What about the "o" vowel? What is its value in short vowel and in long vowel? --kc_kennylau (talk) 13:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You're doing a really great work. There's only one last thing about vowel rendition: phonemic should give phonetic, maintaning the same values when lengthened . About the : I usually render it as , unless the vowel of the preceding syllable is closed (i.e. ), in which case I render it as . I have no idea how difficult it could be to do something like that, but  can do just as good. -- GianWiki (talk) 15:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. scio returns /ˈʃi.o/, [ˈʃiː.o]. --kc_kennylau (talk) 16:17, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Perfect. On the other hand, I tested the template on the word, and I can't help noticing that ⟨sc⟩ is rendered as (, while it should be ), which should only happen when it is followed by ⟨e i y ae oe⟩. -- GianWiki (talk) 17:02, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Careless mistake. Fixed. Would you like to provide more words for testing? --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:53, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure., , , , , , , , . About , I believe it could be rendered as , and I think (long: ) is a better default rendition of  than . Also, I've noticed the presence of nasalized vowels (e.g.  → ;  → ): those only belong in Classical pronunciation (the words can simply give vowel-nasal sequences  and ; the "velarized l"  can also give way to a simple ). Thanks for your noticeable patience, by the way. -- GianWiki (talk) 16:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Template:la-IPA/documentation. --kc_kennylau (talk) 13:11, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Increasingly satisfactory. Also, I think I've figured out a way around the issue: phonemically, there should only be  (I'm only specifying because I think I might've worded my previous suggestions badly, since  and  now seem phonemically distinctive), while the phonetic rendering can be based on the orthography: ⟨o⟩ can give  (thence  when accented in open syllable), while ⟨ō⟩ can give  ( when accented etc.). For example:  → ;  → . Everything else is great. -- GianWiki (talk) 20:05, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Changed accordingly. Please give your opinion on Template_talk:la-IPA. --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:23, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

PIE *kel-
May I ask what source you used for this? All sources I can find include a final laryngeal. —CodeCat 00:14, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It was merely a careless mistake on my part; I'm going to have to be a bit more careful. Also, thanks for the editing. -- GianWiki (talk) 00:30, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

gelo
Come si dice gelo nell’italiano antico? --Romanophile (talk) 14:51, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Cercando - su tuo suggerimento - ho trovato la forma (e mi sono permesso di aggiungerla a Wiktionary). --- GianWiki (talk) 15:14, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

lindo si usa nell’italiano antico? --Romanophile (talk) 15:53, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ho trovato un'attestazione del suo uso, quindi immagino si possa dire di sì. --- GianWiki (talk) 17:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Che significava? Era eguale alla parola italiana? --Romanophile (talk) 17:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Fondamentalmente, sì: l'ho letto - in riferimento ad indumenti - nella tipica accezione di “pulito, ordinato”. --- GianWiki (talk) 21:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

About Italian
Could you add a cutoff date for Italian/Old Italian please? Cheers. Renard Migrant (talk) 21:19, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

hyphens in IPA
Hi! The hyphens in and  aren't pronounced. They are silent. So there is no need to put them into the IPA template. Additionally, edits like this one add the page to these two hidden categories: Category:IPA pronunciations with invalid representation marks and Category:IPA pronunciations with invalid IPA characters. --MaEr (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Interwikis
Hey Gian. Thanks for your work on the obsolete Italian. Please try to be careful to keep interwiki links at the bottom of the page (as I did in this edit). For more information on how to format things, please see WT:EL or feel free to ask me. Grazie! —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 02:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing: you are right. I'll be more careful. — GianWiki (talk) 10:45, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries. Thanks! —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 17:48, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/wóyh₁nom
This entry as it currently stands could unfortunately mislead by implication, since this is a classic early Mediterranean word (also occurring in early Semitic etc.) which was almost certainly borrowed into Indo-European branches from non-Indo-European languages (not the reverse). Neither the word nor the physical object is at all likely to have existed on the Pontic-Caspian steppe ca. 3000 B.C. The laryngeal may be purely theoretical (and historically spurious), since the word may not yet have existed in various Indo-European branches at a time when laryngeals still existed... AnonMoos (talk) 08:21, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Currently being discussed on Etymology scriptorium if you have any thoughts... AnonMoos (talk) 13:36, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Declined forms of decibilis
I had to clean up all the non-lemmata you created. If you're going to create entries for the declined forms of and, please don't make the same mistake again. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 19:14, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up, I didn't notice I forgot to add the headers. - GianWiki (talk) 19:29, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * No worries; mistakes happen. Note, too, that the first parameter of is obligatory; if it isn't specified, the page gets added to Category:Latin adjective forms needing attention (which is how I noticed your mistakes), even if the form has no macra. As a more minor point, in future, please list declined forms by case, then number, then gender (rather than number, gender, case, as you have been doing) for consistency with bot-generated entries for Latin non-lemmata. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 19:37, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Regarding inheritance and borrowings in Italian
Hi GianWiki, and thanks for all the great contributions you've made. Just had a quick comment to make on some edits, however. Being a native speaker, you of course know the Italian language itself much better than myself and other users, but regarding the etymology of some words, I have to note that it is erroneous to call many of the ones you have "inherited". I understand that it is tempting to view modern Italian as being almost entirely inherited from Latin, but as with all the other Romance languages, a considerable part of it was actually borrowed in a learned fashion by scholars and such in the Middle Ages and Renaissance. The core part of the language and basic vocabulary (a few thousand words) is largely inherited but many of the ones you've added were almost surely not, from a linguistic point of view. It may be surprising to find that there are probably more borrowed terms than inherited in all the Romance languages. Now that Wiktionary is making distinctions between the two, it's important to note this. For example, most of the mythological figures deriving from Classic Greco-Roman antiquity can't have been inherited, because that implies they were part of the day to day speech of the common people, and surely they were not for most of the Middle Ages (that was the realm of scholars, elites, and learned people, and they usually took it directly from Classical Latin or Greek texts). In linguistics, inherited means they were passed down primarily orally, originally from the largely undocumented Vulgar Latin, and not through literary texts (and thus would have changed much more over time). Also, just because a word seems fairly common now in modern Italian doesn't necessarily mean that it wasn't borrowed at some point in the past. Certain common words, like those ending in '-zione', were taken from Latin or were later constructions. However these borrowings happened pretty deep in the past, so by now they've become normal, commonplace, and well-ingrained in the language, so they don't always seem noticeable. Others were purposely adapted to existing Italian phonological characteristics to make them "fit into" the language better, like Latin 'ct' > Italian 'tt' or Latin 'ae' > Italian 'e'.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find an Italian etymological dictionary that distinguishes between inherited and later borrowed or learned terms like I have for French and Spanish, but we can infer with fairly good probability based on what we know of linguistic rules, phonetic shifts, and changes in meaning. A lot of the borrowed terms were also borrowed in other Romance languages, or have doublets that were inherited. With Italian, it can be trickier since it is naturally closer to Latin than the other languages. But I avoid using the 'inh' tag on certain words that are overly intact and similar to the original Latin, especially if it is a rare or literary word or one that normally should have looked different and undergone more changes into Italian, based on what we know of sound shifts. If uncertain whether it is inherited or borrowed, I usually just slap the more general (and ambiguous) 'der' tag on there for now until someone else decides how to deal with it. I just wanted to bring this up since when periodically looking at the lists of inherited terms in Italian, I find I have to remove certain ones that are clearly not. But other than that, keep up the good work! Word dewd544 (talk) 18:39, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

niuno
The IPA has 3 syllables but the hyphenation has 2. Not sure which is correct. Ultimateria (talk) 20:38, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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template:etyl
Hello. Could I ask you to stop using ? It's being phased out in favour of (or / when appropriate), and adding it in new places is interfering with the cleanup job. Thank you! --Barytonesis (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I was not aware of that: I'm sorry. -- GianWiki (talk) 21:25, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries! --Barytonesis (talk) 07:54, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

zêro
I added templates to the numbers after zêro, notably doî. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 17:05, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help! -- GianWiki (talk) 17:10, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Ligurian
Hi Gian. I just wanted to say thanks for all the Ligurian content you’re adding. — Ungoliant (falai) 10:48, 16 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I wonder, what made you change a link from *oegia to oêgia? (An official orthography, perhaps?) --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 17:31, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm using the official orthography promoted by the Académia Ligùstica do Brénno (whose specifics, albeit explained in Genoese, can be found here) -- GianWiki (talk) 17:41, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you; therefore, that orthography may have to be mentioned at the policy Wiktionary:About Ligurian. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 21:59, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, could you check the spelling of the term öo? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 00:08, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, öo is spelled correctly. -- GianWiki (talk) 11:00, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Ligurian Swadesh list
Hello. I see you're working strenuously on our Ligurian coverage, so I want to let you know that we have a Ligurian Swadesh list at Appendix:Swadesh lists for Italian languages; there's still a fair amount of red links in there. No obligation of course, but it would be nice if you could take care of them! --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 18:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

nux
I added the Ligurian term nôxe to the list of descendants in the entry nux. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 12:25, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the addition! -- GianWiki (talk) 14:44, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Off topic, but which spelling ought to be proper, tomata or tomâta? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 12:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe the proper one is tomâta, since the vowel is long -- GianWiki (talk) 14:44, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

ezercìçio
If the entry ezercìçio is spelled properly, then what is its plural form? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 01:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe it should be spelled esercìçio, with esercìççi as the plural. -- GianWiki (talk) 18:44, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 12:17, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

muda
This now has two Italian sections.

Could you look at please - can the two verb sections be combined? SemperBlotto (talk) 11:40, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I hadn't noticed the bottom section. Thanks for pointing it out for me. As for, I've tried combining the sections and adding a "Usage notes" section to explain the use of the auxiliary. -- GianWiki (talk) 11:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Ligurian in the Portuguese Wiktionary
I updated a lot of the entries on Ligurian month names at the Portuguese Wiktionary. Their coverage of Ligurian looks like it needs a face-lift. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 18:37, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Here's what I mean. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 16:01, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Ligurian for Universe
How would the Ligurian word for "universe" be spelled? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 11:35, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

I mean, is "universo" spelled properly, or does it need a facelift? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 12:02, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * If the accent were to be made explicit, it should be spelled univèrso. -- GianWiki (talk) 13:16, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * So should I fix the listed link to the translation? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 13:36, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I don’t think there’s any need to do that until the Ligurian editing community decides on lemmatisation criteria. — Ungoliant (falai) 18:32, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Italian rhymes
Hi there. Have you considered creating "Rhymes:Italian/..." entries for use by all the -are, -ere and -ire verbs? I realise that there would be very many instances, especially of -are. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:51, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Italian SOPs
Hi. I'm concerned by what these IP, who I think are the same person as , are doing. Several entries sound SOP to my French ears, and it was already a recurrent problem with that user a few years ago. Could I ask you to have a look at threir contributions, and tell me what you think? Also. Per utramque cavernam 16:43, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Ligurian orthography
Hi! Well done on adding so many Ligurian terms. Is the consensus to use the contesto didatico rules of the Académia Ligùstica do Brénno? Perhaps with see also links from the unaccented headwords? How about longer pieces of text, such as image captions? Before I start contributing Ligurian terms myself, I would like to write this all down in Wiktionary:About Ligurian to avoid having a confusing mix of orthographies.

Also, I've just added a template for  users which you may be interested in.

Scignoria! -- Jean (t&middot;c) 16:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * may be interested in this discussion. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 17:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * You seem to be the ones most interested in the subject of Ligurian. I would like to propose the Grafîa ofiçiâ (in the ‘didactic context’, where all the accents are specified) be adopted as the standard for Ligurian orthography. What do you think? – GianWiki (talk) 18:10, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The orthography looks interesting. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi! Thanks for bringing up the subject. The question of Ligurian orthography is, sadly, a touchy one. The one standard you link to is promoted by an admittedly fairly exhaustive website, but it is far from having been adopted by the community of native speakers. The website is essentially a one-man show by a retired physicist. He's a very nice and knowledgeable gentleman, but this orthography was thought up fairly recently without consulting language experts or writers. It is not in wide use other than by a small circle of people who happen to be fairly visible online, and has very limited use in print outside of some self-published materials. The other possible route is to use traditional orthography. The big advantage is that it would give people access to the same language used for the very long Ligurian literary tradition – and I assume many users of a dictionary would be mainly interested in this. It's also the same orthography used by the largest print newspaper of Liguria (Il Secolo XIX, which publishes weekly in Ligurian), as well as the only – as far as I know – print newspaper that's entirely in Ligurian (O Stafî). I am happy to provide further references if you're interested – I do my best to stay up-to-date on these topics. Worst case scenario, I suppose both orthographies could be used. Jean (t&middot;c) 17:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * My two cents is that we should have entries in any orthography that is or has been in use. The question is whether we should pick one to be the orthography of Ligurian lemmas, with the others relegated to being listed as alternative spellings. I don’t really know enough about the orthographic situation of Ligurian to make this decision; nearly all Ligurian entries I added came straight from A Compagna magazine, which has articles in standard Italian, ALB’s orthography and what seemed to be ALB’s orthography without certain diacritics. — Ungoliant (falai) 01:59, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * On the Ligurian Wikipedia, it says that the orthography employed by the newspaper Il Secolo XIX (the grafia unitäia) is not the same as the so-called "traditional orthography". That said, I personally wouldn't be against employing the grafia unitäia as the standard for Ligurian entries (even though I'm not sure whether or not long vowels should be marked at all times, or just – as said in the Ligurian Wikipedia – when it helps avoid ambiguity). As for the other orthographies, they could very well be listed as alternative spellings. — GianWiki (talk) 11:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi! I was wondering if anyone had given any thought to the idea of employing the grafia unitäia for Ligurian lemmas. Has there been any development on the subject? — GianWiki (talk) 16:43, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you mean as the sole lemma orthography, or for the creation of entries in general (whether lemmas or alt-spellings)? — Ungoliant (falai) 19:20, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * : I mean for the lemma orthography. Since the grafia unitäia is also used on the Ligurian newspaper Il Secolo XIX, it has a sufficient degree of recognizability (and, dare I say, authority). Also, it would be pretty good for avoiding ambiguity in spelling, unlike - for example - the traditional orthography (I'm mainly thinking about the lack of distinction between and, both indicated as ⟨û⟩). — GianWiki (talk) 20:07, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course, other orthographies – like the grafîa ofiçiâ, or the "u-orthography" – could be listed as alternative spellings. – GianWiki (talk) 20:48, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the delay in getting back to you. That sounds reasonable to me, especially seeing how that's the orthography used by the press and the academic community. I'd be happy to set up Wiktionary:About Ligurian and provide IPA transcriptions and perhaps even some recordings. Jean (t&middot;c) 18:41, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry I took so long to answer. I somehow lost track of your message. Yours would be a very welcome contribution. Once the ground rules are laid down, we could start adding new lemmas and/or properly categorize the existing ones. Perhaps there should be a couple of ad-hoc templates for the forms using alternative spellings (the grafîa ofiçiâ, or the "u-orthography", I'm not sure which ones will end up being included). — GianWiki (talk) 21:54, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Small formatting fix
Hi, I fixed up an edit you made:. You shouldn't include multiple terms in the same parameter like that. If there are multiple terms, there should be an equal number of parameters or templates. —Rua (mew) 18:30, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the information, I will make sure to do that from now on. – GianWiki (talk) 19:50, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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Italian etymologies
I think you are the right user whose help may be sought in this matter. I often find it hard to understand whether Italian words such as, , , , , can be considered to have been inherited from Vulgar Latin, or to be learned borrowings from Classical/Late/etc. Latin. Can the phonology of such words give any hint to this, or is it tough to discern the etymon accurately? Thanks for the heed! —Lbdñk (talk) 14:47, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi! I have a very hard time trying to figure it out myself: I usually consider terms who haven't undergone any unusual sound change to be learned borrowings ("usual" sound changes being →,  → ,  → ,  →  and the like). I'm afraid I can't be of much help in this regard. – GianWiki (talk) 22:06, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That help was considerable! Well, do you know of any Romance etymological dictionary that, by distinguishing between learned borrowings and inherited words, shows accurate etymons of the words of Romance languages? —Lbdñk (talk) 20:18, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * (The TLFi does that, but that's for French.) See also . Canonicalization (talk) 20:58, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

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Sardinian verb conjugation templates
Hey I was just looking at your edits to the Sardinian verb conjugation templates, and was wondering if there's a strong reason to require a stem-stressed and a conjugation-stressed parameter, especially since that already interferes with several established entries. Is it possible to make the second parameter optional and automatically replaced by the first parameter? Would it be necessary to require a second stem-changing-exclusive template? Thank you in advance for your work here. Qwed117 (talk) 09:06, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * : The orthographic rules of the Limba Sarda Comuna (which is the main object of my contributions on Sardinian) say that, anytime a word is stressed on the antepenultimate syllable or vowel, the accent is to be indicated, and that's something that tends to happen with the rhizotonic forms of verbs. – GianWiki (talk) 10:44, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Based on my (admittedly not advanced) understanding of Sardinian grammar, however, all regularly conjugating verbs in the first (-are) and third (-ire) conjugation do not have any antepenultimate stressed syllables, and it's only second conjugation (-ere) verbs that maintain rhizotonic stress in antepenult. This, I believe, is confirmed in the source provided. In the case of irregular verbs (like tennere), I'd imagine that using the previous overrides would be sufficient. Given that should we revert the -are, -ire conjugation templates to require only the arrhizotonic stem? Thank you for your comment Qwed117 (talk) 04:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I suppose you're right. The overrides will do. I have eliminated the need for the second stem from the templates. Thank you for your help. -- GianWiki (talk) 10:52, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Ligurian piemonteise
What diacritics would the Ligurian word piemonteise have, if any? --Apisite (talk) 00:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. In the orthography I employ (the Grafîa ofiçiâ in the didactic context), the word would be written as piemontéize. Also, I believe there's an ongoing discussion about which orthography to adopt for Ligurian lemmas. – GianWiki (talk) 09:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Taxonomic categories
Do you think you are able to categorize plants more fine-grained than Category:Plants? I saw that you have recently created a lot of plant names and since you as an old user are probably firm in the other things I wanted to inform you because you could make even more use of plant name additions. If you enter a taxon into Wikipedia or Wikispecies it will give you a stemma where the plant is situated, or else you will always find the relation if you search the taxon on the web as there are many expert-made databases for organisms; we mostly sort by  and, sometimes tribe or genus if there are many species with vernacular names for it. Of course the categories cannot be arbitrarily named but need to exist already; you can look into English entries to see how they are named, else search the category name space (starting a search beginning with “Category:”), or the names are of course found in the module data. Here you see that Physalis alkekengi (, see the “References” links on the Wiktionary page for the taxon to see Wikispecies and other databases) is in Category:Nightshades, which is the family Solanaceae, a famous family everyone should know; some categories have easy English names some the Latin names used by botanists. Then you also should not add the label “botany” because the category becomes full of things not only used by botanists but most Italians. See also. He also learned to categorize plant names more exactly and thus had even more fun adding plants and animals. Fay Freak (talk) 14:16, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your suggestion, and sorry for not having been more specific in categorizing my entries. – GianWiki (talk) 16:49, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've gone through the Category:it:Plants and fixed up the categories (I enjoy doing this sort of thing). Some of the smaller categories are a bit thin, but Italian is a major world language that has terms for everything, so they'll fill up in time. Some of the regional languages don't have attestation at the same scale, so for those it's better to use a broader category rather than the very specific ones used in English (they're needed because the categories for English get too full). That's not to say that someone speaking a regional language doesn't know or talk about everything a monolingual Italian speaker would, but my impression is that they're likely to use their own local language for more local and personal things and switch to Italian for more technical and international types of things.
 * The main thing I've noticed that was inflating the count in Category:it:Plants was the unnecessary use of it. It's convenient to use, but it's easy to forget that it adds a category as well as displaying on the definition line. There's really not much point in having a definition that starts with "it A plant...", and there are other ways of giving the same information that don't add the category even when the information is useful.
 * A tool that I find very useful is HotCat, which you can enable in the Gadgets tab in your Preferences. The auto-fill-in feature let's you see if a category already exists, and it saves typing/potential for misspelling (Category:Malpighiales order plants may be obvious to Italians, but I sometimes forget which letter gets the "h").
 * Having said all of that, it's better to use a broad category than no category at all: at least there's a way to find all the entries that need their categories changed. Thanks for all you do! Chuck Entz (talk) 16:03, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Pronunciation 1
Hi. Please avoid using headers like ===Pronunciation 1=== and ===Pronunciation 2=== (e.g. in ingobbi). Instead, use ===Etymology 1=== and ===Etymology 2=== and put a separate level-4 ====Pronunciation==== header under each. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 05:53, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you very much for the tip, I'd been kinda wondering about how to proceed in such cases. — GianWiki (talk) 15:24, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Rhymes
Hi. Just a note to be careful with adding rhymes. If a given word has two pronunciations corresponding to different meanings, each meaning and pronunciation (including the call) should go under a separate ===Etymology N=== section. I've also found several places where the rhyme you added was wrong, e.g. the latest one I found is apozema, where you gave the rhyme -ɛma (and similarly in the plural apozemi) even though the word has the stress apòzema hence the correct rhyme is -ɔddzema). Benwing2 (talk) 07:47, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. Sometimes I seem to forget to make the right edits (as in the case of ). I'll be more careful. — GianWiki (talk) 09:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 13:41, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

pronunciations from DiPI
Hi. When you add rhymes, can you check the pronunciation in Canepari's Dizionario di Pronuncia Italiana? The pronunciations you're adding, and those found in most dictionaries, are "traditional", prescriptive pronunciations that often no longer reflect modern usage. Wiktionary is a descriptive rather than prescriptive dictionary, so we should reflect modern usage, which Canepari's dictionary does. Benwing2 (talk) 05:07, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Romagnol language
Hello can you fix my template rgn-IPA?--BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 12:49, 30 September 2021 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I don't know the first thing about Romagnol. GianWiki (talk) 12:51, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

The phonology is the same as Italian, I only ask you to fix the Template if you want because it doesn't work at the moment. Otherwise where or to who can I ask ?--BandiniRaffaele2 (talk) 13:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not really knowledgeable about templates. I see @Erutuon created the template. Perhaps you could try asking them? GianWiki (talk) 13:09, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Lombard Wiktionary and Ligurian
Recently, Lombard Wiktionary has been created. You may add Ligurian entries over there. --Apisite (talk) 13:11, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

What do you think? --Apisite (talk) 17:31, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Rhymes:Italian/aɲɲolo
I'm confused, is this really correct pronunciation? I don't speak Italian, but combination of sounds /ɲɲ/ or the like seems utterly bizarre and hard to pronounce, and I would think, for example, "agnolo" would be pronounced as something like /aɲolo/ not /aɲɲolo/. Acolyte of Ice (talk) 11:15, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, in Italian, is always geminated when in intervocalic position. – GianWiki (talk) 14:19, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * GianWiki is correct, is one of the sounds that's always pronounced geminated between vowels in Italian. Other examples are . If you think  is hard to pronounce then you're probably misinterpreting what this means. It means the sound  is held longer than normal before being released; it doesn't mean that you articulate the sound twice (i.e. with two onsets and two releases). Consider for example English coat check, which has a lengthened  sound in the middle, vs. coach check, which has a doubly-articulated  in the middle. Benwing2 (talk) 03:39, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

rhymes vs Template:it-pr
Hi GianWiki. I notice you're adding a whole lot of rhymes to Italian pages, without adding the actual pronunciation. If possible, please use to add the actual pronunciation; it also includes the rhyme and hyphenation, and it's hardly more work to add it vs. adding just the rhyme. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 03:41, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

changed Template:it-verb
Hi. I changed the syntax of a bit so that it matches the new  syntax, which allows all forms of a verb to be generated. The old syntax sits at and I renamed all existing uses of  except those taking no parameters. I'm going to gradually put things back to with the new syntax. Note that the syntax doesn't change for verbs in -are (except for andare, dare, fare and derivatives) and generally not verbs in -ire either. I'm going to be documenting the new syntax shortly. Please use the new for -are verbs with the same syntax as before. Thank you! Benwing2 (talk) 17:05, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

New quotation templates
Salve! Mi son divertito a creare, oltre a RQ:it:Commedia, RQ:it:Decameron, RQ:it:Canzoniere, RQ:it:Orlando furioso, RQ:it:I promessi sposi e RQ:it:I Malavoglia. Non esitare a migliorarne il funzionamento, o a pingarmi con le tue proposte. Ho trascurato il problema delle edizioni, buttando tutto nell'edizione che tiene Wikisource: dimmi se ritieni necessario che ci sia un qualche parametro (per esempio, ed) per specificare un'edizione diversa per un qualche specifica parola. Ho anche trascurato gli anni, scrivendo solo il secolo, perché mi ci stavo un po' perdendo. Anche la dicitura dei template, l'ho scelta arbitrariamente. Saluti! Catonif (talk) 19:04, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Use of l to link English words
It is preferable to use raw links for English words in definitions, rather than linking every English word using en as you've been doing e.g. at. Also, please try to use short glosses rather than long definitions whenever possible, and write the definitions gloss-style, i.e. beginning with a lowercase letter and not ending in a period. Do not use full-sentence style for foreign terms. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 06:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

 inline modifier and tag= param
Hi, I notice you've been using the tag param and/or inline modifier in syn, ant and/or desc. These are changing to be lb and now that dialect tags have been unified with labels; the values of these parameters are handled just like labels in the lb template. Benwing2 (talk) 20:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for the heads-up —— GianWiki (talk) 11:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)