User talk:Han4299

Makasar pare vs. ase
Hello again, Han4299!

I have always wondered about the distribution and usage of pare vs. ase. I know that ase is only found in Makasar proper, while its sister languages Mountain Konjo and Coastal Konjo only have pare (Selayar has bae, which must be loan from Barang-Barang). Among Makasar dialects, my impression was that ase is also absent (or at least not commonly used) in Turatea and Bantaeng. But how about pare in Maros, Gowa and Takalar, is it just a synonym for ase, or does it carry a different connotation?

At least historically, things are clear: pare is the original regular form for the entire Makassaric branch (*j > r, initial *p- is preserved), while ase is a loanword from Bugis (*p > zero, *j > s). Austronesier (talk) 19:35, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * We sometimes use it and taught at school, but not often use as ase, but still understandable, and also i heard it in Takalar, around Galesong, Takalar. I think pare in Gowa dialect more archaic/classic than ase. So, that just synonym. It's like tembikai and tembikai for Semangka; pauh for mangga; buluh for bambu; and nyiur for kelapa in Bahasa Indonesia. The word "pare" also exist Makassars-Nederland Dictionary by Cense with "oud. en dial." description Han4299 (talk) 05:27, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * and also, the same as the use of the word "ari" (younger sibling) in Gowa Chronicle, "ari" common in Turatea/Jeneponto dialect, but in Gowa more archaic/classic, but less usage in daily life. Han4299 (talk) 05:30, 21 July 2023 (UTC)