User talk:Irman

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աւազ
Hello, Irman. 🇨🇬 is a very interesting possible cognate. What is your source for it? --Vahag (talk) 22:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I know a little Mazanderani, but for source you can see here (Irman (talk) 11:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC))
 * I want to advise Hrach Martirosyan, a linguist, about the existence of this word. Maybe he will need to cite it. Do you know if is mentioned in some academic source? A book, article, dictionary? It doesn't matter, if such source is unavailable online. --Vahag (talk) 13:13, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know about published sources.(Irman (talk) 13:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC))

Martirosyan says thanks. By the way, please consider adding a Babel box to your user page. --Vahag (talk) 14:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

tāg
Hi. What is your source for this edit? All the sources I have say Middle Iranian *tāg “crown” is unattested. We only have Manichaean Middle Persian (not Parthian) tʾg “arch” (not “crown”). --Vahag (talk) 23:08, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * My source was from compound word "xārtāg" means "crown of thorns" in [//archive.org/details/DictionaryOfMMP Dictionary Of Manichean Middle Persian & Parthian].(Irman (talk) 16:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC))
 * It is a very interesting finding, thank you. Seems that Armenologists do not know about that attestation. But still, the source doesn't say the Persian word was borrowed from Parthian. Parthian is not the ancestor of Persian, so unless there is evidence to the contrary a borrowing should not be presumed. Do you mind if I change "from Parthian..." to "compare Parhtian..."? The same for and . By the way, you can use the  template now. --Vahag (talk) 18:24, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with you and thank you for template.(Irman (talk) 09:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC))

رخ
سلام، واژهٔ lhw' که در [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%B1%D8%AE&diff=21449225&oldid=21447828 اینجا] ذکر کرده‌اید از چه منبعی است؟ من هرچه می‌گردم پیدا نمی‌کنم. در فارسی میانه به رخ شطرنج mādayār می‌گفتند، و طبق چیزی که من قبلاً در منابع خوانده بودم «رخ» از سانسکریت است. --Z 08:16, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * از پیوست دیکشنری مکنزی "ADDENDA ET CORRIGENDA".(Irman (talk) 16:16, 16 January 2014 (UTC))

پچین
Hi. Did you use some source in linking with Sanskrit ? My sources take it to Old Iranian *pati-čagnaka- without mentioning the Sanskrit word. --Vahag (talk) 20:38, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi! In answer to your question I have to say that I found it from a sanskrit dictionary on the web. maybe I made a mistake, but there is another word in Parthian "pādmuhr" wich seems to me to be a translation of the Sanskrit.(Irman (talk) 06:16, 8 December 2014 (UTC))
 * The similarity must be accidental. I have now expanded the etymology with references. --Vahag (talk) 17:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

‎نخبه‌گرا
Hi, would you like to expand the short page for the term ? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 15:39, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Also expand (which I found at Short Pages, as found in the Community Portal), if you can and have the time. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 15:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 16:10, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 16:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * What would you like to know more about those words? they all have clear meaning.(Irman (talk) 16:54, 17 December 2014 (UTC))
 * You could apply the plural and the Tajik Cyrillic counterpart spelling (if applicable), if you can. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 16:56, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * What;s the transliteration of ? Could you also examine the transliteration of ? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 10:50, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no word in persian as I know, but it seems to be an afghan colloquialism.  has wrong dictation. the correct form is  similar to arabic.(Irman (talk) 15:32, 18 December 2014 (UTC))

خاده
Hello, why have you removed the context label? Surely it is either archaic or obsolete? Kaixinguo (talk) 16:32, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Because if you label such a word as obsolete or archaic you would do this on almost 80% of persian vocabulary. Persian is not a first language of most of people in Iran, Afghanistan and less in Tajikstan, so people used to speak with small vocabulary in everyday conversation through history. but educated people could understand them, if not they couldn't understand classical texts. I tried to explain it, sorry my english is not good.(Irman (talk) 19:31, 18 December 2014 (UTC))
 * All right, I think I understand. Your English is good :) Kaixinguo (talk) 11:15, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Persian terms needing transliteration
I came across the term at Short Pages; if the term is real, what's the transliteration? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 18:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Here's the category. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 18:07, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Global account
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Alternative forms
Just so you know, this is how we format alternative forms on Wiktionary, so that all the information is located on the main lemma page. Thanks! —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 16:58, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

فرنگ در سفرنامه
سلام، من نتوانستم کلمهٔ فرنگ را در سفرنامه (ناصرخسرو) پیدا کنم. کجای سفرنامه است؟ واژه به چه صورتی آمده است، خودِ فرنگ؟ --Z 13:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

سلام، راستش من خودم مطمئن نیستم ولی فکر می کنم در بخشی از سفرنامه که درس کتاب فارسی مدرسه بود یعنی در شرق مدیترانه اسم فرنگ آمده است. (Irman (talk) 06:02, 12 August 2015 (UTC))


 * من متن آن را تقریباً یادم است. واژهٔ روم به کار رفته بود (واژهٔ فرسنگ هم زیاد به کار رفته بود، شاید با آن اشتباه گرفته باشیدش). در متن سفرنامه روی اینترنت هم یک جستجو انجام دادم چنین واژه‌ای نبود. پس به همان قبلی برمی‌گردانمش. --Z 07:41, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

در سفر ناصر خسرو به طرابلس هست. (Irman (talk) 09:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)) «...و باجگاهی است آن جا که کشتی های که از اطراف روم و فرنگ و اندلس و مغرب بیاید عشر به سلطان دهند...»


 * اوه بله. من متن آن بخش از سفرنامه را اتفاقاً خیلی خوب یادم بود عجیب است که به این دقت نکرده بودم. نقل قول را الان می‌افزایم --Z 16:33, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Capitalisation
Hi,

Could you please not capitalise Persian transliterations? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 07:30, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi! although capitalisation does not exist in Perso-Arabic writing system but I think it is better to use in transliteration for whom prefers writing Persian in Latin Alphabet.(Irman (talk) 08:00, 5 September 2016 (UTC))
 * It has been discussed several times and it was agreed that for languages where it's not standard to capitalise transliterations, eg Japanese rōmaji on proper nouns, there should be no capitalisation. This included Persian and regular editors of Persian. Persian and Hebrew are languages where some casual editors still continue doing it. There's no point really. Standard dictionaries and textbooks don't do it either. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 08:07, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

ā->â
Hi,

We're using "â" for the long "a", not "ā". As in WT:FA TR. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:35, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I prefer using "ā" instead. I think it is more appropriate for Persian transliteration and must be used in wiktionary too.(Irman (talk) 09:06, 28 November 2016 (UTC))
 * There are many things we do like or dislike. Burmese speakers want to call their language "Myanmar". We have to follow the established rules. If a decision is made to change â->ā, then this can be done with a bot. Don't you agree. I'm not forcing my view but if you want to change the policy, try to change it in coordination with others. :) --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 10:07, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I will support switching to ā, in line with other Iranian languages, but Anatoli is right that this is a policy matter and should be discussed and agreed upon first. The current practice is the one shown at WT:FA TR. --Vahag (talk) 12:25, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your guidance.(Irman (talk) 21:06, 28 November 2016 (UTC))

امتیاز
Hi,

Do you mind checking امتیاز and adding transliterations to the usage examples? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 23:25, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Done.(Irman (talk) 18:26, 5 December 2016 (UTC))

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01:13, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I think so. If you look at the edit histories, Zamyat ii made 2 edits in 2015 and 2 more in 2017. Irman was blocked for a month on January 15, and Zamyat ii came out of hibernation on January 19 and made dozens of edits until the day after Irman's block ended on February 15. Irman made 1 edit on February 15, then started up again on February 18. Irman was blocked on April 8, and Zamyat ii started editing again April 9. Irman's February 15 edit is the only one that's on the same day as any of Zamyat ii's edits (I have a gadget that changes everything to my time zone, so some of the dates may be off by a day). That should be enough by itself, but I can confirm that the two look identical checkuser-wise. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:51, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I've given both accounts indef blocks, and assuming your last sentence means you used the checkuser tool ("can" is a bit ambiguous), I hope you've saved the data, so we can catch Irman if he ever tries to return. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 05:10, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I can see double standard here, I can't uderstand why ridiculous Arabic and turkish etymologies without any logic and convincing source can exist but my original researches that are very logical are forbidden. (Irman (talk) 07:25, 10 April 2019 (UTC))
 * Let's be clear: the indefinite block is because you used a second account and thus broke the rules. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 14:30, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I can see is reverting all my edits on persian one aftter another, that is so mean! (Irman (talk) 06:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC))
 * , can I have a reduction and come back to editing someday?(Irman (talk) 17:02, 14 April 2019 (UTC))
 * No. Read my last comment. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 17:42, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * User frequently edits on Persian etymology section with ambiguous references, see this تکه, it is apparantly a native persian word cognate with hindi टुकड़ा. I feel Othomonists are allowed to make up their spurious etymologies but someone like me should be banned in so called "The Free Dictionary".(Irman (talk) 11:19, 19 April 2019 (UTC))
 * You're banned because you broke the rules. If you keep pinging people to complain about their etymologies, I will also restrict you from talk page access. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 16:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

etyl
Irman, etyl has long been discontinued. There are no longer any appropriate uses for it. Please instead use der, inh, and bor. Thanks. -- 08:17, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Middle Persian tr and ts
Irman, for Middle Persian entries, please use tr for transliterations, and ts for transcriptions, ex. pal. Thanks. -- 02:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

تکه
Tekke is a native Iranian word and it is cognate with Hindi टुकड़ा.(Irman (talk) 11:19, 19 April 2019 (UTC))

وجب
, you reverted my edit on the etymology of وجب, do you have any reason to say that an incorrect etymology? I researched on the word and it seems no doutedly from middle persian baǰag means knuckle and that was a unit of measure, also it is cognate with persian and, meaning "ankle". it has also an earlier form --Irman (talk) 06:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * How do you explain MP b > NP v? How about final -b from -g?--Calak (talk) 09:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I guess it's borrowed from a northern dialect perhaps Razi, which derivation of v from Middle Persian b could happen (compare Mazanderani vann- < Middle Persian band-, Mazanderani verin- < Middle Persian brīn-). The final b occured because of helping to faciliate the pronunciation of the word in colloquial usage.--Irman (talk) 10:14, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Persian vaǰab is cognate with Southern Kurdish wiža. In Southern Kurdish initial w- is always from MIr. w- (e.g SK. wark, MP. warrag); in this dialect initial w- from MIr. b- has no evidence so you theory is not right. Even Persian bâž and bojul should be from initial MIr. w- rather than b-.--Calak (talk) 12:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Southern Kurdish is heavily influenced by Persian, why don't you think wiža is a Persian loanword or maybe Fahlaviyat? initial v or w could be from Fahlaviyat like Persian and dialectal probably Fahlaviyat . The MP word baǰag was a "unit of measure" equivalent of Greek κόνδυλος.--Irman (talk) 19:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * A totally ridiculous etymology, both semantically and phonetically, and completely unsourced. He was right to revert it. -- 14:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻--Irman (talk) 19:59, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

User:Victar/Reconstruction:Proto-Iranian/HmaygáH
, the Persian is probably derived from Middle Persian *mēy. Some who doen't know about the language shouldn't be allowed to edit on the etymology of persian words.--Irman (talk) 08:43, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Is this a slight against me? probably existed as well, but it would have likely become *mēh, *meh already in MP, cf. MP  and . --  15:39, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/h₂enk-
Hello ! the Persian must be related to Mazanderani, and are both related to Manichaean Middle Persian hangan.--Irman (talk) 06:31, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

انگبین
, the Middle Persian angubēn is from the proto-iranian compund word angu + bayna, the second element from proto-iranian and the first element should be related to. Please notice that the Kurdish and Zazaki cognates are both dialectal variant of the Middle Persian and also the originality of Kurdish hing is doubtful.--Irman (talk) 06:56, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

چنته
, you blocked my account permanantly without any precation! and I see every day someone reverts my edits on Persian etymology that I spend too much time and energy on them, this is extremely unfair! the User reverted some of my edits, the last one is چنته, which I correctly put a right etymology on there, he/she changed it with a spurious etymology with a rare unknown Persian word tanče. The word is nodoubtedly a dialectal (perhaps influenced by the Turkic) form of unattested, compare with Mazanderani. The Mazanderani word is a native word and now it is somewhat archaic but it shows the older spelling of the word atleast in northern dialects. One should consider changing initial ǰ to č could happen in Persian in variant dialects, another example of this is Persian, dialectal variant or probably Turkic influenced form of the Persian , compare also the word from Turkic meaning "tent", "yurt" (made of split bamboo canes). Please respond--Irman (talk) 04:21, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * We also have Kurdish ǰāntā, ǰāntāy, ǰanta and ǰinta. Persian ǰ → č has evidence in Turkish, for example Turkish çift from Persian joft, Çıfıt from Persian jahud. --Calak (talk) 05:46, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I mistakenly pinged your name first, anyway thank you for your affirmation.--Irman (talk) 06:16, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Which would mean mean that the Persian is still from Turkish, even though when the Turkish is borrowed from a form with dž – maybe from Kurdish? I don’t know. tanče is what Nişanyan Sözlük derives from, and I applied this. Calak can maybe solve it better. But why is such a form unattested? If true it needs to be attested. See, that’s your problem, Irman. You always try to see things that aren’t there. You accuse me of putting a rare form whereas you put one that you have invented. Fay Freak (talk) 06:27, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * how do you explain Mazanderani jāntey? I've just suggest Persian form by comparision with other Iranian words, Nishanyan is not a reliable source for referncing. You shouldn't revert or remove the others work without any permission you should only add your hypothesis there however I know some are more equal than others here and even have right to vandalize other users work without any consequences--Irman (talk) 07:36, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Fay Freak: With regard to Iranian ǰ → Turkish č, I think that Turkish çanta should be from Iranian ǰāntā, ǰanta rather than obsolete and dialectal  Persian tanče. Evidently it is not from Persian, but from another Iranian language. We have these words in Kurdish: 🇨🇬 (variants:, , ; under influence of Turkish?), 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, , ; also synonym Hawrami. For second part (-ta), I don't know are 🇨🇬 or 🇨🇬 related or not.--Calak (talk) 12:05, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that seems better, though I don’t know how to explain these Iranian forms of course. Kurdish canta spawning Turkish çanta would be regular, and then regularly the Persian čante derives from the Turkish.
 * What is not said yet: If the Ottoman were a Persian borrowing, they would have kept it spelled چنته, but we always find, . Also how I derived the Persian from Turkish: If the Ottoman  was from Persian , Nişanyan would not have failed to call it out so, right? But too easy, he didn’t. : It isn’t from this Persian but the Persian is a recent Turkish borrowing. Is it even attested early, ? I guess no, you will probably find witness statements about its intrusion from Turkey. Additionally I think Irman has not glossed the Persian word faithfully but it means a handbag of today’s women and a suitcase, a meaning developed in Turkish, through the Turks developing modern business manners under European influence, so it is likely a priori that the Persian is from Turkish at least semantically, but especially since this Turkish word is so widely borrowed into languages around it. You should considered a regloss, Calak, “sack” does not correspond to the images I see.
 * As I said, Calak, I don’t know how you derive the Kurdish, but you should add the correspondences you have discovered to . Not a bad etymology, Irman, huh? Why lose your composure? Speaking of vandalization and calling Nişanyan unreferenceable here is vile and an insult to such a great man. We are all improving the etymologies. No permission needed: That’s the Wiki spirit, Irman. Just think the things through scrupulously. Fay Freak (talk) 14:31, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

برات به فارسی می نویسم، Victar و Fay Freak یه نفرند با دو اکانت مختلف و فکر کنم Metaknowledge هم همون خودشه من اینو بارها آزمایش کردم متوجه شدم. قبلاً یه جا یه گاف بزرگ داده بود تو ریشه شناسی از اون موقع مرتباً مزاحم من شد خیلی عوضی و عقده ایه هیچی بارش نیست و داره اتیمولوژی فارسی رو خراب می کنه و شاید عمداً این کارو می کنه چون داره برای ترکی عثمانی هویت جعلی می سازه. من خیلی اینجا لغات زیادی را ریشه اشونو پیدا کردم خودت میتونی ببینی ممکنه اشتباه هم کرده باشم ولی اکثراً درستن مخصوصاً که کسی تا حالا نتونسته با دلیل موجه ردشون کنه ولی با مغلطه کارهای منو خراب می کنند. اشکال کار اینه که تا حالا روی ریشه ی لغات فارسی و کلاً زبانهای ایرانی کار نشده و اگر هم شده کار ضعیف بوده و توسط خارجیها که به فارسی مسلط نبودند انجام شده. اما می بینی که برای ترکی چه اتیمولوژی های جعلی نوشته اند ولی چون رفرنس به نیشانیان و دیگران میدن کافیه تا نظر درست مخالف را رد کنن. --Irman (talk) 15:57, 5 May 2019 (UTC) راستی قبلاً اشتباه حدس زده بودم ولی الان مطمئنم که فی فریک و واهاگن پطروسیان یه نفر هستند. زبانشون هم روسی و آلمانیه هردو به زبان ترکی عثمانی علاقه دارند که این خیلی مشکوکه--Irman (talk) 07:28, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Fay Freak: Persian čanta is a Turkish borrowing; its entry in Dehkhoda dictionary has no evidence from Classical Persian. The problem is etymology of Turkish čanta and theirs Iranian cognates with ǰ-.--Calak (talk) 16:53, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

serçe
Turkish is from Persian .--Irman (talk) 11:03, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

هرش
hereš in colloquial Persian means "stage", "phase".--Irman (talk) 13:30, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

یورش
, Persian یورش is not a borrowing from Othoman.--Irman (talk) 13:53, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * So which Turkic language is it from? For it is based on a pan-Turkic root see . If you think otherwise you should read Doerfer, which you should do anyway for your own therapy. There are yet thousands of Turkic and Mongolic words in Persian to list. Oh, and a tip: Why don’t you learn a Turkic language in the free time you have now? Being only an Iran man is quite narrow-minded and leaves you trapped. Fay Freak (talk) 20:02, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * How ignorant you are! I just said it is not a borrowing from ottoman turkish because there is no reason for that when there are millions of turks live in Iran. For your information I am interested in romance languages and I know a little French, Italian and spanish and I am continuing to learn them. your way of speaking to me shows you are suffering from a complex.--Irman (talk) 05:47, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's called Irman-itis. XD But in all seriousness, unless you can provide sources for your assertions, you've really run out our trust in your etymologies. -- 09:08, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

وسادة
Arabic وسادة is apparantly from Middle Persian wisādan "to rest".--Irman (talk) 05:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Armenian bread?!!
No one ever said in Iran "Armenian bread" to lavaš, that is a blatant lie from Ačaṙean.--Irman (talk) 06:03, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you know the real reason behind the was the ownership of lavash? --Vahag (talk) 09:11, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * So what? what can you prove by that?--Irman (talk) 09:40, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * We won, therefore lavash is Armenian. You can have sangak. --Vahag (talk) 10:34, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No, you defeated at that battle, the Lavash bread is Iranian . Did you know Armenia was part of Iran until 1828?--Irman (talk) 10:49, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That's because you had elephants. Anyone can win with elephants. According to a legend, Armenians invented the flat lavash to secretly pass food under the prison door of, whom you treacherously imprisoned in Khuzestan. --Vahag (talk) 11:07, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That's a total myth. You should know Lavash is older than Sangak, it is made in every part of Iran, even by nomads. How can Iranian nomads of Southern Zagros recieved it from Armenians?--Irman (talk) 11:30, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ačaṙean must go to trial for fraud. He told a lie about hearing people in Tehran say Armenian bread to Lavash which this claim probably made UNESCO in mistake in recognising the place of origin.--Irman (talk) 11:38, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

امرود
, you are right! as you mentioned, Persian is from Old Iranian amra-vat- cognate with Sanskrit amla. I found Transoxianan Persian meaning "quince", but probably recorded with misspelling. The first letter must have been ع, it was common at that time to write عین instead of الف and it should be read as amravāt.--Irman (talk) 05:52, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

تپانچه
,, Yet another rubbish again! the Persian word is from the verb,  (probably from the same root as English stop). This word has existed in Persian since 10th CE, also we have never in Persia used ottoman literature so how the fuck can an ottoman word enter to Persian. Reversely, it can be get result that the Turkish word is a derivation from Persian with slightly changing the meaning: Turkic taban backformation of tabanca from Persian tapānče. --Irman (talk) 10:03, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

You may like it or not but the Proto-Turkic is a joke.--Irman (talk) 10:34, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

kavun
Turkic is probably a backformation of *kavuncuk, from Transoxianan Persian, related to Persian .--Irman (talk) 16:46, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Absolutely ridiculous etymology, and symptomatic for a pertinacious aberration. A word for “hollow” does not become a word for “melon” by all probabilities. And why is it Transoxianan only? Because it is from Turkic. Fay Freak (talk) 17:05, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * there is an apparent relation between sense hollow and the shape of the melon have you ever seen a melon in your life?--Irman (talk) 17:09, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I have, and in no context they are hollow. Fay Freak (talk) 17:34, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You haven't seen I am sure. you can search on google images an see inside of the fruit. however the plant breeding and modern transgenics could affect the shape of it but no doubt it was hollower in ancient times than what we see now.--Irman (talk) 17:50, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Now I have done an image search just for you. They do not look hollow. Of course, because fruits without pericarp do not make sense. Fay Freak (talk) 18:33, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * you added an spurious etymology on Persian کاونجک and nobody prevent you to do that because the wiktionary mafia likes the ottoman slaves very much--Irman (talk) 18:27, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * What a totally ludicrous etymology. Next time you want to peddle you crackpot theories, include sources to the effect, otherwise, as say above, you're close to getting your talk page shut down as well. --  18:19, 5 June 2019 (UTC
 * Seems I am talking to one person with many accounts.--Irman (talk) 18:24, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I hate this wiktionary, I do not have trust it anymore. It is full of lies and supporting the liars.--Irman (talk) 18:30, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Proto-turkic *qagun?!!! hahaha that is bullshit.--Irman (talk) 18:43, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

It is Transoxianan only because Tranoxiana and especially city of Merv was capital of Persian literature and exactly the origin of Persian language before Mongol invasion and massacre of the whole people there.--Irman (talk) 17:15, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Despite my warnings, you have continued to ping people on your talk page and rudely dispute their entries based on your pseudoscientific beliefs. Additionally, you have created another sockpuppet that I had to block. As a result, I have taken away your access to your talk page. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 21:46, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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