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巊
Using the normal /zh-forms/ template causes this character entry to give "巊" as a one-box "traditional and simplified" character, but this isn't correct. 𪩎 is the simplified form located at U+2AA4E. I suspect it's a template/module issue; if you can help with the issue, I'd really appreciated it. Cheers! Bumm13 (talk) 11:55, 18 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The template always says that unless you put in the simplified form in s. It’s always been done manually. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 14:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for bothering you, I must have lost some brain cells over time and totally spaced out on how to do that. I think my mind has refreshed since I posted that comment about how to do formatting. Cheers! Bumm13 (talk) 02:14, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries! — justin(r)leung { (t...) 12:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

傻眼 chiefly Taiwan
Frankly speaking I also thought it's a normal word used on both sides of the Taiwan Strait but after today when I found this I recalled and noticed it was indeed more rarely spoken and heard in the Mainland than in Taiwan. Yes you're right, it's on Xiandai Hanyu Cidian, but that was indicated by chiefly, I think.Maraschino Cherry (talk) 22:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)


 * It's probably not great to just support this with one video. The comments are also flooded with comments of how it's commonly used different parts of Mainland China too. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 22:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Singaporean Cantonese sample
You might want to check out this TikTok channel:. I think she's a fourth generation Singaporean Cantonese, and her parents are not from Hong Kong. You can probably glean some pronunciation information from her because there are some very peculiar ways Singaporean Cantonese is pronounced. Notice how the "eu" vowel combination is pronounced more like an "io". The dog2 (talk) 06:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know! — justin(r)leung { (t...) 06:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

拥障
I've tried to figure out what this (likely archaic) word/phrase means but no luck. Does it mean something like "to keep/obstruct from gathering"? That's the best I could come up with. Cheers! Bumm13 (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late reply! I'm not sure what this would mean. Is there more context? — justin(r)leung { (t...) 01:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I don't think there is. It's part of a definition of an archaic Chinese character, so it's not all that urgent of a matter. I might try to find the source later. Bumm13 (talk) 01:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, it's a hù reading definition of 摢. The original source is the Jiyun. Bumm13 (talk) 01:26, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Correct location for Module sources
Re your reversion at Module:zh/data/dial-syn/新加坡, I have sources, but didn't see any other sources for the other entries and assumed the sourcing was to be given with the destination entries. Where should they go then, in Documentation? AjaxSmack (talk) 22:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)


 * You are right in that the tables don't need to be cited in the module. The general practice is to perhaps include a source in the edit summary, especially when things are not coming from commonly referenced sources. I had some doubts about whether all those terms you added are indeed used in Singaporean Hokkien; I guess I should've asked you directly rather than removing them entirely first. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 22:42, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll do it in the summary then.  "are indeed used in Singaporean Hokkien" →  were used in Singaporean Hokkien. They're mostly old newspapers.  Thanks. AjaxSmack (talk) 18:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * How would you be sure that they were indeed Singaporean Hokkien (and not another variety spoken in Singapore)? — justin(r)leung { (t...) 20:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, before the adoption of 白話 by newspapers, I suppose the names could be read in any language, but the pronunciations are confirmed by more modern sources (like this — sorry, only snippet view) and already appear here in part in entries like 石叻. AjaxSmack (talk) 01:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't recommend putting all of the forms under "Singaporean Hokkien" unless it is confirmed to be really used by Hokkien speakers (back then or now). There's a difference between what's written and the spoken language. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 01:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * What about something like this or this? If not in Singapore Hokkien, where should it be placed? AjaxSmack (talk) 04:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If they are the same word written in different ways, we generally only put one in the table. We currently have 石叻 as the main form; 息力 and 實叻 seem to be the same word. As for the forms with 埠 and 坡, do we have clearer sources? The second source seems to say it's 峇峇福建話, and the way it's written looks like it's kind of mixing some Mandarin-based writing like 吃 and 和, making it difficult to make out what is necessarily intended here. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 05:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 埠 is covered here. I don't have access to print sources here, but this is a snippet of one. A cursory web search returns this and in the poem here. Singapore's Chinese name wasn't officially decided until the 1970s, and these variants were widely used until then (e.g. the Presbyterian Church in Singapore was called 實叻坡長老大會). AjaxSmack (talk) 23:55, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The full text for the second link is here, but it's unclear whether that's referring to Singaporean Hokkien or some other variety of Hokkien. It suggests that 埠 is read as pho, which makes me think 埠 is representing the same word as 坡. The third link (codingnote.cc) points to Teochew, not Hokkien. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 05:14, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

BTW, how was the module originally populated? AjaxSmack (talk) 23:55, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You can look at the edit history and see. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 01:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I did, but I only see one reference for a later addition. There's no reference for the original creation of any subsequent additions (except that one) that I can tell. AjaxSmack (talk) 14:08, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Module:IPA error
Just to let you know, when I created Cantonese jyutping syllable entries (such as "syu3", etc.) using "jaːi̯" in Template:Jyutping-IPA is giving me the following error:

"Lua error in Module:IPA at line 303: Invalid IPA: replace ! with ǃ, : with ː, I with ɪ, L with ʟ and g with ɡ"

The error appears regardless of which tone letters I use (both in jaai2 and jaai5. Bumm13 (talk) 00:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, the template takes Jyutping as input, not IPA, like this. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 00:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, fair enough. That said, it works fine with IPA input for everything but the "jaː" text, it seems. Thanks for the help! Bumm13 (talk) 00:59, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It would still be giving the wrong Jyupting and Yale, I believe. Please only input Jyutping with this template. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 01:01, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I just figured out the problem (at my end). There are similar but different Template:IPA and Template:Jyutping-IPA templates, which obviously work differently... derp. Thanks for helping my poor brain with the matter! Bumm13 (talk) 01:08, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Haha, no worries! — justin(r)leung { (t...) 01:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

On if single "不" can be used to answer a question.
According to this entry on a ROC Mandarin dictionary, "不" has no such usage like an English "no". I believe using single "不" to answer such questions is grammatically wrong. 列维劳德 (talk) 01:46, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You are misinformed. 现代汉语八百词（增订本）(1999) writes,

"不 bù〔副) 1.单用，回答问话，表示与问话意思相反. 他知道吗?──～，他不知道｜他不知道吧?──～，他知道｜再坐一会儿吧──～了(啦)，我还有事呢"
 * RcAlex36 (talk) 02:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I've added a couple of quotes that show this usage. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 02:47, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

煤炭
Hi Justin. Do you have any idea why this text is coming up next to "煤炭": &#45;--&#62; Tooironic (talk) 22:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Another example is at 農業. &#45;--&#62; Tooironic (talk) 22:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Forgot to reply, but it should be fixed now. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 14:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries. Thank you! &#45;--&#62; Tooironic (talk) 23:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Label Problem with Taiwanese
Just wondering if you're aware of the problem with the current module that generates the labels for Hokkien. The word "Taiwanese" disappears when it's used together with another location label. Mar vin kaiser (talk) 06:38, 21 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Do you have a particular example? has added a new function that might affect how things display. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 15:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Lots of examples, such as 先生媽, 兔仔尾, 內山猴, 刁古董, 刀肉, 刀鋩, and lots more. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 16:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Mar vin kaiser @Justinrleung Apologies, I slightly messed up the function that postprocesses Chinese labels. Should be fixed now. I'm working on a new version that only removes 'Taiwanese', 'Hokkien' and such when the word "and" or "&" occurs. Benwing2 (talk) 18:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — justin(r)leung { (t...) 18:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

List of all entries marked with "ph" in the pronunciation
Hi! Do you know if it's possible to get a list of all the entries that has "ph" in the Hokkien pronunciation? Thanks! Mar vin kaiser (talk) 16:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * A hacky way is this search: . — justin(r)leung { (t...) 17:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually that might not give you all the entries because it would only give entries where ph is the last in a list of locations for a POJ string. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 17:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Or perhaps Special:Search/incategory:"Hokkien lemmas" "Philippines" insource:ph. —Fish bowl (talk) 06:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

蘇格
Hi! Just wondering why you have removed the Hakka pronunciation and added Malaysian Cantonese to the entry. I was under the impression that this kind of borrowing from Malay was a feature of Malaysian Hakka. Are you sure sou1 gaak3 is used in Malaysian Cantonese?

— 86.10.102.28 02:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, the Hakka pronunciation was removed because the module currently only works for Taiwanese Sixian Hakka and Meixian Hakka. Yes, it is also used in Malaysian Cantonese according to 馬來西亞吉隆坡粵語之馬來語借詞研究. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 04:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

臭經/臭经
Hi, just wondering where you got that 經/经 means “to evade; to pass the buck” in Teochew? Can't find this meaning attested anywhere else, e.g. wiktionary, mogher, etc. thanks! Danielbunchie (talk) 08:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, it's based on the following:
 * 《潮州方言詞匯》經 [想法推委]：康課膠己著做個孬～別人去做. [工作自己必須做的不可想法推委別人去做. ]
 * 《潮·普双言语词典》经 (6) 【推】/【推托】（把事情）推给别人；故意拒绝：你免在～（你别推托）. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 14:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, thank you - very interesting! Would add those books to references but I'm not sure how to. Danielbunchie (talk) 14:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

兩餸飯 vs 三餸飯
Regarding the new dialect table I created for 雜菜飯, is there a difference between 兩餸飯 and 三餸飯 in Hong Kong Cantonese? Is 兩餸飯 a generic term for economy rice, or does it specifically refer to economy rice with two dishes? The dog2 (talk) 22:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I believe it has to be two dishes, but I may be wrong. I don't exactly know if the idea of 兩餸飯 is exactly equivalent to 雜菜飯; these are similar concepts but may be too regional to be considered equivalent?, would you like to chime in? — justin(r)leung { (t...) 22:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Based on my experience, 兩餸飯 is the generic name of this type of meal, so one would say they are going to a 兩餸飯 store even if they want to order three dishes. (There's also 雙餸飯 which is synonymous to 兩餸飯) – wpi (talk) 13:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So should we add 雙餸飯 to the dialect table then? The dog2 (talk) 17:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

普法爾茨方言
Hi Justin! First of all, I want to say that my knowledge of Chinese is very very limited. However, I'm intrested in it, and I found a Chinese word that I want to add to Wiktionary. I created a preliminary page for it, and I want to ask you some questions before I actually add it:


 * Does it even meet the CFI?
 * Is the pinyin correct? Particularly, do you need a space between cí and fāng?
 * Do you need the "Other tone-sandhi patterns may be heard" note? I just copied it from the 普法爾茨 entry.

Thank you in advance. Tc14Hd (aka Marc) (talk) 16:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi! I think any qualifier + 方言 is generally SoP, so I think it would fall outside of CFI. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 16:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. Tc14Hd (aka Marc) (talk) 16:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

拖蘇
Hello. Could you please check this Cantonese entry? I created it based on the translation added to power strip. Thanks. &#45;--&#62; Tooironic (talk) 07:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Looks okay to me. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 07:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! &#45;--&#62; Tooironic (talk) 07:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

焗親
Would you mind checking this entry? Someone added it with pinyin, but I don't think this is used in Mandarin. &#45;--&#62; Tooironic (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)