User talk:Justinrleung/Archive 19

儂 for person
Hey, I hope I'm not being rude here, but I'd like to question the logic of using 儂 to denote the word for "person" in Hokkien, Teochew and Hainanese. To my knowledge, it is almost always written as 人. See this video where a professor of Teochew explains that the way to write kakinang is 家己人. Likewise, here you can see a professor of Hokkien using the character 人 for "lang", which means "person" in Hokkien. The dog2 (talk) 03:18, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It is the etymological character, which is useful to use when we're trying to distinguish different words in the dialectal modules (as in 儂 in Min Nan, Min Dong, Puxian Min and some Wu dialects vs. 人 in Mandarin, Cantonese, Hakka, Gan, Jin, most Wu, Xiang, Min Bei, etc.). In actual usage, 人 is definitely more common. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 03:39, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Nurse in Singaporean and Malaysian Cantonese
In response to your comment, admittedly, I lifted those characters from the prose in this document. There may be different characters in list form which unfortunately, my computer is not able to display, but if yours can, go ahead and try to read it. What I can say is that in Singapore and Malaysia, people will also say "mi-si" to refer to nurse in Cantonese, just as they do in Hokkien and Teochew.

In Singaporean and Malaysian Mandarin, the word is the same as in standard Mandarin. This is actually not surprising, given that when the first Chinese immigrants arrived in Singapore and Malaysia, none of them spoke Mandarin, and there were no nurses in China at that the time. The nurses they would have encountered would have been young British women working in the military hospitals, and the British soldiers would have called them "miss", which the Chinese immigrants would have misunderstood since they did not speak English. Mandarin would only have been introduced into schools in Singapore and Malaysia after the founding of the Republic of China, by which time nurses would probably already have been introduced to China via Western contact. The dog2 (talk) 04:10, 10 March 2020 (UTC)


 * In that edit, I wasn't so much concerned about the orthography, more so on Mandarin vs. Cantonese. You put 蜜士 in "Malaysia-M" and "Singapore-M", but you were talking about Cantonese, which would be "Malaysia-C" and "Singapore-C". I was just trying to make sure you were putting things in the right place. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 04:46, 10 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry. I must have misplaced it then. The dog2 (talk) 04:50, 10 March 2020 (UTC)


 * No worries! — justin(r)leung { (t...) 04:53, 10 March 2020 (UTC)


 * By the way, could you please also have a look at that document and see if your computer can read the words in list form that my computer only displays as boxes? It's an academic document from a university in Malaysia. You should be able to find the word for "nurse" there. The dog2 (talk) 04:54, 10 March 2020 (UTC)


 * If you read that article carefully, you'll see that the author is critiquing a book called 马来西亚的三个汉语方言 by 陈晓锦. The boxes are meant to be there because the book by 陈晓锦 actually put boxes. You should look for characters in the 本文語料 sections of the article. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 04:57, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

蜜士? 婂媤? lol this site is a mess because they trying to assign their own characters to dialectal words and avoid using POJ to show that Chinese characters are much more superior. Iambluemon (talk) 22:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating new Chinese characters by stacking
Hi there, do you by any chance know how to combine two Chinese characters into a single one? When I watched Teochew dramas, I noticed that Teochews in China would usually shorten 唔是 to "mi", which according to this web-site can be represented in Chinese characters by stacking 不 on top of 是. Do you by any chance know how to do that? "⿱不是" is the only way I've managed to render it. The dog2 (talk) 22:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If it's not yet encoded in Unicode, then we can't do much other than "⿱不是". It's included in the IRG Working Set 2017, so it will likely eventually be encoded. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 00:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


 * So do you by any chance know how to check if the character has been encoded? The dog2 (talk) 01:50, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


 * (If I wasn't clear above, it's not encoded yet.) Unicode is updated every year. In fact, they just released a new version today. There are various tools like this to check using components, but other than that, you'll have to look at the Unicode charts. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 02:15, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

做下
Sorry, I thought 做一堆 was a typo because online forums about Teochew mostly used 做一下 or 做下. Since you found it in a dictionary, I won't dispute that. As for 做下 being used in a Teochew pop song. I'm not sure which dialect they use in Teochew pop, but the singer of the song I heard is from Puning. The dog2 (talk) 07:13, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I think we should leave that out for now unless you're sure it's used in Chaozhou or Shantou. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 07:15, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

做垺 vs 做舞
Just so you know, in Singaporean Teochew, the word for "together" is "tzo-bu", and I don't think 垺 is pronounced "bu". See this clip (12:09-12:14) for evidence of how it's said. The dog2 (talk) 16:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Is that "b" as in "b" in Malay (voiced, /b/ in IPA) or "b" as in pinyin (voiceless, /p/ in IPA)? Also the tone matters as well - does it match tone 1 or tone 4 in Mandarin? 垺 is /pu55/, which sounds like "bū" in Mandarin; 舞 is /bu52/, which sounds like "bù" in Mandarin (except that "b" is voiced). — justin(r)leung { (t...) 17:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I went and listened to the clip - there might be some tone sandhi going on, so I'm not sure, but I think 做垺 is more likely. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 17:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe my hearing is failing me, but the way she was saying it sounded like it had a voiced b initial. Although I'm not a fluent Teochew speaker, I have enough exposure to both Hokkien and Teochew to be able to easily make the three-way distinction between voiced, tenuis and aspirated initial consonants. The dog2 (talk) 17:40, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I do hear a voiced b as well, but I'm not sure if it's 舞 though. It could be an instance of intervocalic voicing for some reason. If you could find more examples or ask a native speaker, that'd be great. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 18:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, Teochew does not have initial consonant assimilation like what you get in Fuzhou dialect. The dog2 (talk) 18:34, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course. I didn't mean it to be a systematic thing, but a one-off. That's why I'm asking if there are any other examples to see if this is consistent. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 18:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

波羅提木叉
Is the term 波羅提木叉 really either a common noun or a proper noun? --Apisite (talk) 13:36, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No idea. I'm not Buddhist, and I'm not familiar with the term. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 14:33, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * How about you, Tooironic? --Apisite (talk) 14:40, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not familiar with it either. Glancing at the Wikipedia page, it seems it is used both as a proper and common noun. ---&#62; Tooironic (talk) 21:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Headers
Hi Justinrleung! I wasn't aware that "Derived characters" was an approved header – haven't seen it used before and it's not in the toolbox. I have no objection to your rollback, but I would like to know if the aforementioned header is approved so I don't go reverting again without justification. Thanks in advance! --Robbie SWE (talk) 08:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if it's approved, but it's pretty commonly used in translingual sections of CJK single-character entries. It doesn't seem to be mentioned on WT:EL, but I think it's good to have "derived characters" rather than "derived terms" for these because they're not etymologically derived but graphically derived. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 08:56, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that it makes sense to have it as a complement. For the sake of uniformity, someone should really look into adding it to our format structure for CJK single-character entries. I'll abstain from reverting it. Keep up the good work! --Robbie SWE (talk) 09:03, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Middle Chinese readings of 強
To me, the MC readings of and the modern pronunciations on the page seem mismatched. Per Kangxi Dictionary, the 上聲 reading given by Guangyun should correspond to Pronunciation 2 (no idea why 濁上變去 didn't occur though), while the 去聲 reading should corresponding to reading 3. However, Module:zh/data/ltc-pron/強 has been locked so the 去聲 reading (宕開三去 居亮切) cannot be added. Can you please add it? Thanks. RcAlex36 (talk) 15:21, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure if you have been busy, but since I'm not an admin I can't add the reading to Module:zh/data/ltc-pron/強. Would you please add it when you have time? Thanks. RcAlex36 (talk) 17:25, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not getting back to you. I don't think that reading is found in Guangyun, so I don't think we should be adding it to the module. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 18:29, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

開車
I don't think they are completely separate sense. In Chinese, both dirty jokes and porn are 黄, and both usage comes from the meme stated in etymology section 老司机带带我. If we rephrase to talk dirty to "to share dirty jokes", the difference is not that much from "to share/upload pornographic works online". - ZypA13510 (talk) 15:23, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I think they're different enough though. A joke is significantly different from a video or picture. I guess we could consolidate it as "to share dirty or pornographic content", but that would remove the "online" aspect. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 16:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The difference is (I think) caused by the fact that people rarely share pornographic content offline? So when you say "sharing porn", it is implied that it's sharing online? But for dirty jokes, people may feel more comfortale sharing them both online and offline, so the word includes both. - ZypA13510 (talk) 05:06, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've made some changes. Let me know what you think. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 05:10, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * What about something along the lines of "to share explicit/sexual material; to talk dirty; to upload pornographic works online"? My English is not that good to tell if this is an acceptable definition. - ZypA13510 (talk) 05:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I like that. I've made some minor changes to show that the two latter parts are examples. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 05:20, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Module:zh/data/dial-syn/傻
Sorry for replying you so late. And yes, 傻 is used in Hokkien, pronounced as sá. Check out the Kam Jī-tián (甘字典), and you will see it and its meaning: "sió-khóa tì-hūi, gōng; bô jîn-ài.	/ 小khoá智慧, 戇; 無仁愛."

But it is not a commonly-used word though, so your undo was right, and I just added "戆" in some dialects in Minnan. Anyway, thanks for your contribution in Wiktionary! TongcyDai (talk) 13:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * 甘字典 is not a good source for actual words used in Hokkien. It just lists characters and their pronunciations. I know 戇 is likely used in Hokkien throughout Taiwan, but do you have a source for each location? If not, I'll revert as well because we shouldn't be assuming. Also, do you have a source for Taoyuan Hakka? — justin(r)leung { (t...) 14:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't have a source for each location, but as (half) a native speaker living in Taiwan, I am pretty sure that this word is widely, commonly used and you can hear it from daily communication, TV programs, movies and so on. And you can also check out 戇 in Dictionary of Frequently-Used Taiwan Minnan, since it doesn't give a list for different accents (方音差), it means that this word is frequently used and has the same pronunciation among different places, at the same time it is the most used word for the corresponding meaning. (I can explain it clearer in Chinese.) For the Taoyuan Hakka one, I don't speak Hakka myself, but after checking different dictionaries, I found that 戇 is in all accents (including 四縣、海陸、大埔、饒平、詔安、南四縣, see this for example), and is used in compound words and sentences. Thus I think 戇 is used in all accents in Taiwan. TongcyDai (talk) 16:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


 * There are many entries in that dictionary that do not have a 方音差 list but need one. There seem to be other words used as well. I've just checked 台灣閩南語次方言常用詞彙調查研究 and it has several different words for 傻. I'll make changes based on that. For Taoyuan Hakka, I'd really hold off on it - there are actually many accents in Taoyuan, and I myself am not even sure what dialect that (I think the book called 桃園話音檔) is referring to. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 17:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I won't comment on Taoyuan Hakka (and it is strange to use place name in Taiwan instead of their origin place as category name), and for Minnan, yes, there are other words can express the same or similar meanings, just as you've added on the list. But I am very sure that 戇 is used widely, and I use 呆, 槌, 悾, 頇顢 too. There is a question. It is difficult to tell which words are belong to certain dialects, and which of them is the representative (or most frequently used) — actually, we use all of them. TongcyDai (talk) 19:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


 * It's complicated, especially with people moving around. That's why I usually stick with what's reported in the sources that I have, which may be more restricted to what the informants say but probably safer. I think that linguists like 洪惟仁 and 張屏生 have pretty strict criteria, including the number of generations someone has been in a particular 方言點, gender and age. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 21:07, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

A suggestion
Just as a suggestion here, why don't you add an entry for Canadian Cantonese, since you're Canadian (I presume), and there's a big overseas Cantonese community in Canada. I've not spent that much time in Canada so I don't know specifically about Canadian Cantonese, but I previously lived in New York, and one difference between New York Cantonese and Singapore Cantonese I have noticed is that for roast duck, Cantonese speakers in Singapore will say 焼鴨 (and I think it's the same in Kuala Lumpur and Hong Kong, but correct me if I'm wrong), but those in New York will say 火鴨. The dog2 (talk) 17:55, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's different enough from Hong Kong Cantonese. Most Cantonese speakers came over to Canada/the US relatively recently, and the second generation generally doesn't speak Cantonese to each other that much. From what I can tell from a quick Google search, 火鴨 as an alternative term for 燒鴨 is also used in Hong Kong. (I know for sure that 火肉 is also used in Hong Kong for 燒肉.) — justin(r)leung { (t...) 21:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * OK, I didn't know that. I thought those terms were coined by Cantonese speakers in North America. I've always used 燒鴨 and 燒肉 when ordering food in Hong Kong, and nobody ever had any problem understanding me. The first time I heard 火鴨 and 火肉 was in New York. The dog2 (talk) 22:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The 燒 words are more common than the 火 ones, so of course, there's no communication problem. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 01:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

英文 in Beijing
To reply to your comment, the last time I visited Beijing, that's the term the locals used when talking to me. I won't rule out the possibility that 英語 is used in Beijing, but I did not hear it. Therefore, I'm sure that 英文 is used in Bejing, but I'm not sure about 英語.
 * : Hi. In Chinese class in Melbourne where I went to learn Mandarin, we mostly used because that's what all teachers used, no matter their home town (also Beijing).  is also used, of course. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 06:09, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, my feeling is that 英語 is definitely more common in Putonghua. I find it strange that Beijingers would use 英文 more than 英語 to the extent that you haven't heard 英語 used in Beijing. I guess we could leave it as is. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 06:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Please add 英語, it seems weird to be excluded from Beijinghua. —Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 06:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, added. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 06:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)


 * If you're sure, that's fine. But I will just highlight a difference in how we say things here. If someone wants to say "I don't speak English", someone from Beijing would say "我不會說英文", while in Singapore, we would say "我不會講英語". We will have no problem understanding each other, but the word choice is just different. The dog2 (talk) 12:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * 我不會說英語 should be common in Beijing, too. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 13:59, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Dialectal synonyms of 打嗝
(Pinging also ) Should we start a Module:zh/data/dial-syn/打嗝 ? Do we have enough data of different 方言點? RcAlex36 (talk) 17:38, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Unfortunately, this is a term I am not familiar with in dialects. My knowledge of Hokkien and Cantonese is largely limited to more colloquial expressions, and I'm not too familiar with medical terms. The dog2 (talk) 18:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Um, that isn't really a medical term as it just means "to hiccup", and I'm sure everyone has had hiccups before. Anyway, thanks for your reply. RcAlex36 (talk) 18:07, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It's probably doable. I'll look around. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 18:47, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the biggest problem is that I'm not sure what the sources are referring to since 打嗝 could be "hiccup" or "burp". — justin(r)leung { (t...) 19:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

蚵仔煎
To my knowledge, only Taiwan uses 蚵仔煎 in Mandarin. If you go to Xiamen, they will say 海蠣煎 when speaking Mandarin Mandarin, and 蚵仔煎 only when speaking Hokkien. The dog2 (talk) 21:56, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Is it exclusively 海蠣煎 in Xiamen Mandarin? Also, in Taiwan, people actually usually code-switch to the Hokkien word (based on videos I've watched). — justin(r)leung { (t...) 22:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it's exclusive or not, but from watching Mandarin videos about food in Xiamen, 海蠣煎 is the most common Mandarin name for the dish in Xiamen. Most of the stalls in Xiamen seem to write 海蠣煎. And yes, it's true that Taiwanese people typically code-switch to the Hokkien word, nobody know what you're talking about if you ask for 海蠣煎 or 蠔煎 in Taiwan. Even in Singapore, we tend to code-switch to the Hokkien word (or less often, the Teochew word) when speaking English or Mandarin, though 蠔煎 is definitely understood in Mandarin. The dog2 (talk) 22:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've made some changes. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 22:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Chaozhou vs Shantou
To reply to your comment, you can usually figure out where the person is from by their accent. For instance, the word 千 is pronounced one way in Chaozhou and Shantou, but a different way in Jieyang. On the other hand, the word 橋 is pronounced one way in Shantou and Jieyang, but a different way in Chaozhou. So by listing out for how they pronounce specific words, you can more or less figure out where they're from. And the biggest tell-tale sign is how they pronounce the word 夗 (sleep). Chaozhou, Shantou and Jieyang all have different pronunciations for the word. I believe you'll notice the same thing with Cantonese speakers too; people from Guangzhou, Qingyuan and Yunfu all speak Cantonese, but you can tell them apart from their accents. The dog2 (talk) 20:02, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That's true, but what in that video you mentioned in the edit summary specifically? Also, other than the cities (proper) of Chaozhou, Shantou and Jieyang, there are other varieties like Chenghai, Chaoyang, etc. I just think it's hard in general to distinguish all these and pinpoint it to a particular variety. For me, I don't think I have enough exposure to non-Guangzhou/non-Hong Kong accents to distinguish Cantonese dialects. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 20:11, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * 外口 is said somewhere around 2:37 in the video. I've watched a Teochew mini-drama from Jieyang that also used 外口 for "ouside" so I would think that it's a fairly common expression in Teochew, if people from Shantou and Jieyang both use it. The dog2 (talk) 20:30, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I found where it is in the video, but what in that video let you know it's Shantou specifically (and not Chaoyang or Jieyang, for example)? — justin(r)leung { (t...) 20:34, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I've also watched some of her other videos. There is another video where she uses the word 澹 for wet and pronounces it with a "m" final, so you know she's not from Chenghai. People from Chenghai have merged the m and ng finals. The way she pronounces 夗 (in another video) is definitely not Jieyang. And the way she pronounces 前 also rules out Jieyang, as well as Puning and Chaoyang. The dog2 (talk) 20:51, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks. I still have one reservation, though. 外口 in the video is used to mean the surface of something, but is it also used for "outside" as in "it's raining outside", which is basically what the module is trying to capture? — justin(r)leung { (t...) 20:57, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I see your concern on that. The video I previously posted used 外口 in a different context. And in another video, albeit from Jieyang, 外口 is used to refer to "outside" the house. The dog2 (talk) 21:36, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

不知道
Sorry, I didn't realise this article was previously deleted, but anyway, should we recreate this article now that I have created the zh-dial module for it? The dog2 (talk) 16:32, 30 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I don’t know if any of those entries should exist. They seem sum of parts to me. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 17:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I guess it's true that they are sum of parts, but one caveat is that unlike in Cantonese where 唔 is the equivalent of Mandarin 不 (except in certain specific expressions such as 不過), in Hokkien (and Teochew) the equivalent changes based on context, and they're not interchangeable. For instance, while the negative form of 准 would be 袂准, for 佇 it will be 無佇, and for 知 it will be 毋知. Contrast this with Cantonese where they are 唔准, 唔喺 and 唔知 respectively. So the Hokkien equivalent for Cantonese "佢唔喺屋企" would be "伊無佇厝". If you say it as "伊袂佇厝" or "伊毋佇厝", it just sounds weird. The dog2 (talk) 19:02, 30 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's tricky to deal with collocations, but remember, we are a dictionary, so what we include are words. Perhaps these things could be part of usage notes. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 21:56, 30 March 2020 (UTC)


 * That works too, but unfortunately, I don't know what the pattern is, or if there is even any pattern at all. I just know which one to use for each individual verb/adjective/adverb purely based on memory. The dog2 (talk) 00:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, this is a dictionary in progress, so we don't have to have all the answers. There might be grammars that may describe this. I just think that the 不知道 entries (and the synonyms module) should probably be deleted because they're sum of parts. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 00:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * OK. If we delete one, all should be deleted. It doesn't make sense to delete 不知道 and leave all the dialectal synonyms, except for 無知 because it has other meanings that are not the sum of parts. The dog2 (talk) 01:46, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, indeed. I think even the Hainanese-specific sense in 無知 should go, though. I'll send all of them to RFD. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 01:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

紙條
Hey Justin. Just letting you know I removed the usage example here - it comes from Dr. Eye, so must be copyrighted surely. ---&#62; Tooironic (talk) 23:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't remember where I got that from. I'm just wondering why I haven't cited it if it's from somewhere. (Is it possible that Dr. Eye took that from us instead?) — justin(r)leung { (t...) 00:06, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems to be from 2006 or earlier. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 00:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks! I just checked and saw that I moved this example from 條. That's why I didn't cite it. Thanks for removing it, Tooironic! — justin(r)leung { (t...) 01:14, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries. ---&#62; Tooironic (talk) 04:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

妳
Hi Justin, I believe the page is missing bold formatting due to formatting errors. Koenfoo (talk) 04:26, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see what you're talking about. The bolding looks fine to me. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 04:53, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

起釁, 啟釁
Hey Justin, would you mind adding non-Mandarin 'lects to this entry when you get the chance? I guess 起 and 啟 are probably read differently as well. ---&#62; Tooironic (talk) 01:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've made 啟釁 a full entry. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 02:50, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! ---&#62; Tooironic (talk) 07:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The Hakka here looks dodgy too, can you check that? ---&#62; Tooironic (talk) 01:05, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Module:zh/data/dial-syn/吵
Hey, in Singaporean Mandarin, 吵鬧 is quite commonly used as a synonym of noisy. Local media uses it as such commonly as well. Fasnon (talk) 06:56, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, you could add it back to Singaporean Mandarin if you're sure. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 07:01, 15 April 2020 (UTC)