User talk:KYPark/blocked

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Dear Kypark, you were just blocked for 1 week due to your repeated trolling on Talk:기린.

There were times when I thought you'll sooner or later be convinced by sane reason that PIE is not just "another theory", not a "model of thought" comparable to world's religions, not some "hypothesis comparable to any other", but "enforced by Euro-centric linguists" (not your exact wording, but these were all your points).

Valid scientific evidence the supports the most widely accept reconstruction of PIE (not just the lexemes themselves, but the phonology and morphology as well, and these other things are much more important) that was built by word's foremost linguist in the last 2 centuries is in no way comparable to unsupportive "theories" (the word theory: means different things in science, and in colloquial speech - this term is so often manipulated, especially by creationists and similar breed) like the Indo-Uralic that you pushed several times on the ===Etymology=== sections in the main namespace entries, and your IE-Korean relationships based on some vague phonetic correspondences that are simply a product of your imagination.


 * You should know that the prehistorical PIE etymology is not the history or etymology per se of words. Anyone can reconstruct anything like PIE anyway

Dear Kypark, Indo-European language family can be validly established only by looking at 4 basic kinship terms (mother, father, brother, sister), numerals up to 10 and the verbs "to be", "to stay, "to bear" and "to give", but the real evidence is much, much more abundant than that. It is not "some other theory" comparable to any other (like those that you like or like to fancy). Glottalic theory has gained a lot of ground in the last 2 and a half decades (and is still very strong at Leiden school), but these alternatives are not conflictive with respect to the end result. They give different means to explain how daughter languages have inherited the actually attested forms. It's like two physics theories - both give different theoretical interpretation of the phenomena that is observable in only one way.

It's fun how people who don't like the idea of PIE like to emphasize it being "hypothetical". Most of the theoretical sciences sooner or later bump into some kind of the practical limits, but in linguistics these have much more concrete consequences as soon as the conclusions collide with what people like to imagine to be their "real" history (usually - that they are ethnically and linguistically indigenous) There was a while ago a Greek nationalist that claimed that all PIE languages descend from Mycenaean Greek, since it's the earliest attested one (which is not, Old Anatolian languages are, and so is the Mitanni Indo-Aryan). He also liked to emphasize the "hypothetical" part - cf. ^_^

Also, your comparison of modern Korean and modern IE (French, German - your common targets) reminds me of other pseudoscientific linguists, who ignore ancient and extinct languages either deliberately or out of sheer ignorance, and compare modern ones. I just read the other day on sci.lang (where he's achieved almost cult-like status ^_^) an alleged relationship between what mr. Dušan Vukotić likes to call "Serbo-Slavic" oblak: and modern English - so much fun. Vukotić has also a long (almost 2 year) IP record here on Wiktionary - but it consists mostly of removing valid etymologies that he doesn't like on nationalist grounds (Serbian words derived from Ottoman Turkish), and adding protologisms and neologisms coined in the 19th century into translation tables.


 * I did nothing on these pages and I entered Wiktionary (for the first time) a fiew days ago, when I saw that someone is abusing my name and some parts of my writings.
 * Please, stop misusing my name.


 * Dušan Vukotic --Vukotic

Yes, PIE looks like nine-headed monster, but that nine-headed monster is a valid scientific theory which is accepted by most of the world's linguists, and more importantly, by all relevant world's linguists. Everything else would be highly-speculative, and would amount to original research which is forbidden. You must understand this part. I and no one else here wants to discuss with you how much the PIE theory itself is tenable or not. Please stop your attempts to bash it, because your theories are irrelevant and we don't care about them.

This block is rather symbolical than 100% purposeful, for I have no desire to actually stop you from contributing useful content on Korean entries. However, seeing the amount of effort you've put into bashing PIE in the last month, it seems that you're not that much interested in Korean entries, unless they can be used to promote your convictions (like the entry on 기린 and others mentioned in BP). I'm very sad that this is the case.

If you can firmly agree to finally let go of this anti-PIE thing, just drop me (or any other active administrator) a message or e-mail, and it will be removed ASAP. Pushing it further on mainspace talk pages will be treated as just another vandalism. Cheers. --Ivan Štambuk 16:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)