User talk:KYPark/related terms

Related terms
This section is for etymologically and morphologically related terms, so mew is not a related term for the common gull. It should be listed under See also. --EncycloPetey 07:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I welcome your "See also" suggestion. Meanwhile, I understand a mew is exactly the same as a gull, or as related as the same genus Larus, while a common gull is simply Larus canus, sometimes even called mew gull as noted in Common Gull. In addition I tend to be generous about "Related terms" anyway. --KYPark 07:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, the animals are related, but the words are not. See WT:ELE regarding "Related terms".  For example, under lion, we could list as "Related terms" lioness, antlion, leonine and so forth because the words are related.  We would not list Felis or cat as related terms because they come from different word roots.  Does that help? --EncycloPetey 08:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I barely agree with your examples of Related terms to lion, which would better be Derived terms. Contrarily, lion would be one of Related terms to the entry lioness. Synonyms to the entry cat would include either puss or Felis rather than Related terms, vice versa. --KYPark 08:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Check their etymologies. Neither lioness nor leonine comes from lion.  Lioness comes from a separate Old French root, not from lion.  The word leonine comes from a different French word as well. The etymology of antlion is sometimes said to be obscure, sometimes transparent. --EncycloPetey 09:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * leonine may better be under Related terms, while lioness and antlion Derived terms as presently shown under lion. The feminine lioness may have been derived either from Old French lionnesse, as you allege, or from lion, as priestess from priest, for example if ok. Let's leave it open. The point here is not to make clear etymology of any example, but the principle that lioness for example should be under Derived terms from lion iff etymology so grants. --KYPark 12:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, but back to my original point. The word mew is neither derived from the word common gull, nor is it related to that word.  They only share a meaning, not an etymological relation. --EncycloPetey 17:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, as regards mew again, I welcome your "See also" suggestion, as was the very opening word of my reply. Good point. --KYPark 04:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)