User talk:KamiruPL

Welcome Message
--Apisite (talk) 12:11, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Audio links
Hej!

Dzięki za tworzenie haseł, są bbb dobre. Jedyne, na co bym chciał zwrócić uwagę, to dodawanie linków z audio. Standardowo powinny być w formacie .ogg, ale pl.wiktionary to taki mess, że oni tam pododawali kompletnie różne linki (.mp3, .wav) i od różnych ludzi. Dlatego jeśli nie ma formatu .ogg, to polecam sprawdzić na pl.wiki, czy przypadkiem nie dodali innego linku (z doświadczenia wiem, że w 90% przypadków będzie tam plik w formacie .wav) i dodać go na en.wiktionary. Na pl.wiktionary z oczywistego powodu linki nie posiadają kodów językowych, więc możesz za każdym razem po prostu kopiować ten szablon: * (musisz wejść w edycję tej wiadomości, żeby zobaczyć szablon, bo się wyświetla w zły sposób) i przeklejać konkretne audio w trzecie pole, jeśli istnieje na pl.wiktionary. Niestety ludzie tutaj właśnie z tego powodu do wielu haseł nie pododawali plików dźwiękowych, bo były w innych formatach na pl.wiktionary, więc teraz od jakiegoś czasu systematycznie je dodaję (już dodałem do około 1000 haseł), ale to taka nudna i żmudna praca. W wielu miejscach brakuje też oczywistych etymologii, np. w przymiotnikach z banalnymi sufiksami. Ale to oddzielny temat. To tyle, elo. Shumkichi (talk) 14:06, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

sestyna
I added the Polish word sestyna for sestina. --Apisite (talk) 15:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Silesian
I was wondering, what Silesian writing system have we adopted for entries? Steuer? Vininn126 (talk) 12:07, 14 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I believe Steuer has been superseded by ślabikŏrz, although the former remains in use. KamiruPL (talk) 12:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Cleanup
Hey, I'm sure you've noticed I've been trying to do a lot of cleanup on Polish entries. I think we're almost done, but I would really appreciate your input on the most recent discussion on my talk page. I wouldn't normally do this, but the proposed changes would be pretty big and I would love to have your opinion on the matter. Vininn126 (talk) 15:33, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. Sorry for not being able to reply earlier but I was indisposed due to unexpected health complications. Just wanted to let you know I'll comply to whatever the community decides on. KamiruPL (talk) 09:13, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

zuć
Do you think zzuć and wyzuć would be better described as prefixing the Old Polish word, or would zuć be considered a Polish word in its own right? It seems like it might still be used dialectally. Vininn126 (talk) 23:59, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, you're right. I'll change it to Old Polish. KamiruPL (talk) 11:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

„nuda”, „nudzić”
Hello! I see you’ve added an etymology to „nuda” which says „possibly from Ukrainian нуда́”. May I know where you got this from? Some Proto-Slavic words alternated between *ǫ and *u, as you can see both nuditi and nǫditi are reconstructed for Proto-Slavic, Old Church Slavonic also had those two side by side (as long as other pairs). The Etymological Dictionary Of The Slavic Inherited Lexicon lists Old Polish „nudzić” and „nędzić” as both inherited, Brückner and Lehr-Spławiński (these are kinda old, ik, but this is what I got haha) also don’t mention borrowing and treat them as inherited with the mentioned alternation. The reflex of the verb is regular, and „nuda” seems like a straighforward deverbation. So do you have any sources that consider this a borrowing from East Slavic?

Cheers! MichaelTheSlav (talk) 17:27, 14 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I got it from WSJP as is usually the case with etymologies for Polish lemmas. KamiruPL (talk) 06:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn’t notice that they have a section on etymology there, as it doesn’t immediately appear. IMO they are probably wrong, especially that they write „może” so they are not certain themselves. But I will try to find some additional sources to back up a native inheritance. Thanks for help! MichaelTheSlav (talk) 08:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Feel free to modify the etymology once you've managed to ascertain the native inheritance. KamiruPL (talk) 09:49, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

korona cierniowa
I see you're using uder! Do you think korona cierniowa would just be a calque? Vininn126 (talk) 13:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I copypasted the etymology from the English entry. I might have rushed it but I see Shumkichi has already fixed it. KamiruPL (talk) 15:46, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

new params in Template:desc
Hi. Just FYI, has changed a bit; please use t in place of 4 (the gloss/definition), and alt in place of 3 (the display/alternative form). This is because the template will soon support multiple terms. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 02:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Uzdać
Sorry for all the pings. Would you say obuzdać is the perfective pair of uzdać? I'm very unfamiliar with either term, so I'm curious about your thoughts. Vininn126 (talk) 14:11, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


 * It may be treated as such although I am not 100% sure. Personally, I don't consider it to be that relevant. KamiruPL (talk) 07:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Obsolete meanings
This is a change we made yesterday, but I've added Middle Polish as a label. The only thing you have to be aware of is if a meaning was using between 1500-1750. If it's after that, but still obsolete, it's fair game to use the obsolete label. Otherwise the Middle Polish label would be best. Keep up the great work! Vininn126 (talk) 08:54, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Just wanted to say it's nice seeing you in RC again. Vininn126 (talk) 08:34, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

szustać
I was doing some digging. has some information, but he doesn't say much about the root. I suspect it might be onomatopoeic. WSJP's etymology on oszust also suggests such an origin. I think this might be the best explanation, considering the word doesn't appear until relatively recently (i.e. not in Old Polish). I think the verb was built on the noun, so we could give something szust + -ać? What do you think? Vininn126 (talk) 13:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Fine with me. Feel free to add it. KamiruPL (talk) 13:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

amomek
Pinging @Hythonia as well. I am working on the entry for amomek and I'll all turned around.

As far as I can tell, the history of the word is as follows: It enters the language as amomum, reduces down to amom, then was suffixed with -ek shortly thereafter as can be seen in Linde's dictionary, as well as Słownik wileński and warszawski.

The question is, do you think we should consider amomum and amom as Middle Polish alternative forms? The definitions provided all point to a "a rooty plant related to ginger", but as far as I can they seem to point to slightly different species, but I could be wrong here.

If they do point to different species, do you think we should make amomum and amom their own lemmas as opposed to soft redirects, or should we make them alternative forms and put everything on amomek with qualifiers? I think the first option would be better, but as I said, the similarity in definitions makes me believe they are all the same thing. Vininn126 (talk) 13:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Middle Polish Declensions
Hey! I see you've been adding Middle Polish terms. I really love these, they show the evolution of a language really well. @Hythonia and I have been working on templates to only include attested forms for these, so any Middle Polish entries you make will eventually have to be updated. Just something to keep in mind! Vininn126 (talk) 01:36, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

pl-derived verbs
I'd wait a little before deploying it, Benwing is gonna make a change soon. The commas are for verbs that have multiple perfectives to one imperfective or vice versa. Otherwise the verbs should be separated by pipes. Vininn126 (talk) 20:40, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Old Polish Quotes
I am working on (and almost finished with) making Old Polish quotation templates. These are in essence the same as the ones in SSp, and should make adding bibliographic information essentially automatic. If you see an issue with one do not be afraid to let me know or just change it yourself. Vininn126 (talk) 11:33, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I realized these need to be redone, essentially, but once I'm done they should be much easier to use. Vininn126 (talk) 15:06, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

mm
Ale cringe gościu. Shumkichi (talk) 14:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Pages linked to each other
Hey, if you add something like a doublet (i.e. a categorizing template that links to another page as well), could you update both pages? If it's something cosmetic like related or derived terms, whatever, but if there's categorization involved I think we should update all affected pages. Thanks! Vininn126 (talk) 12:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, I usually do add doublets, just not always immediately after creating an entry. KamiruPL (talk) 13:09, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, good to know. Vininn126 (talk) 13:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Silesian IPA Module
I'm working on a Silesian IPA module, do you know anything about the phonemic status of /e/ vs /ɛ/? I saw on Silesian Wikipedia that it exists, but Silesians I talked to said otherwise, and that it was an allophone. Currently it can print both, and I can leave it that way, but it would be nice to know for when I'm writing the documentation. Vininn126 (talk) 19:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I won't be able to help. KamiruPL (talk) 20:03, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Well at any rate the IPA module is working, you can use the template. I can look into making a pronunciation module with syllabification and rhymes, but for now I'm just gonna be giving syllabification manually. Vininn126 (talk) 07:05, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, accepts Steuer as a parameter, and I've also created, so we might want to stop using things like superseded. Vininn126 (talk) 09:18, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

WSJP's link number
Just letting you know I added this functionality mainly so that if there are a lot of results from the normal template, we can direct the reader directly to the page, or for their multiword verbs with different headwords. I'm not going to be using it on every entry, just some. Don't feel obligated to put it everywhere, unless you want to! Vininn126 (talk) 08:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

kropnąć
Hi. Why do some definitions have idiomatic label? I wanted to delete them but maybe there's a reason for it so i thought I'd ask :) Tashi (talk) 20:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Silesian conjugation
I'm working on Silesian conjugation templates for verbs. Do you know if there are any verbs that end in -iwać or -ywać? I can't seem to find any. Vininn126 (talk) 13:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * None that I'm aware of. But I'm no expert in the matter. KamiruPL (talk) 14:17, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks. I'll see what I can dig up, and I'll find some Silesians to pester. Vininn126 (talk) 14:22, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, they should be ready at Category:Silesian verb inflection-table templates. I couldn't figure out how to do verbs like lyź, niyś, or piyc, but at least the generic templates should be able to cover those. Vininn126 (talk) 18:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Va inflection seems to be incorrect, the 1st person plural present form of Silesian "prosić" should be "proszymy". You might want to tweak it. KamiruPL (talk) 12:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Should be an easy fix, thanks for letting me know. Vininn126 (talk) 13:41, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a good thing you mentioned, I noticed there was an issue with verbs ending in -rzić as well. Vininn126 (talk) 11:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

WSJP links, dercat
Thanks for adding the entries they created recently. The idea that we should include the links since WSJP often updates makes sense, but a lot of people criticized it, and I ultimately think they're right. I wanted a way to check their recently made entries, but it's nice someone is checking recently. As far as goes, I don't think we need to put Proto-Slavic there if there's no Old Polish entry made yet. Vininn126 (talk) 08:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)