User talk:KarikaSlayer

Welcome! (belated)
--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:54, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

genitori
Sei tu asiatico? -- Romanophile ♞ (contributions) 01:25, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

aviri
Olá. Ti piacerebbe attualizzare questa entrata? Merci beaucoup, -- Romanophile ♞ (contributions) 04:26, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Conjugation tables
Thank you for creating these! But please see this and fix the other tables accordingly. Thanks! —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 00:17, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Icelandic adjectives
Hello. I'm here to ask if you would like to modify the templates at Category:Icelandic adjective inflection-table templates so they could have the function to make links. Thank you. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 02:01, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅. KarikaSlayer (talk) 03:04, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Now how about the templates at Category:Faroese noun inflection-table templates? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 17:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * 174 different declension templates? That looks like a good candidate for Lua conversion. KarikaSlayer (talk) 17:42, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to consult for any changes. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 18:45, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I dunno why I need to be consulted but yes, please, if you can make the Faroese noun inflection-table templates into ones with links... that'd be great. Mulder1982 (talk) 19:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

gaon
How is the term inherited from PIE? —CodeCat 16:49, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It isn't, I just got the templates mixed up. Thanks for catching that! KarikaSlayer (talk) 16:52, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Transliteration in inflections tables
Having sent a quick thanks, I am having second thoughts! Is it possible for transliterations to appear as a popup/hint (if they're the words)? Some inflection tables are liable to become exceeding cluttered! (I seem to remember popup-transliteration being discussed some years ago.) &emsp; — Saltmarsh συζήτηση-talk 05:45, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not that I'm aware of, unfortunately. and   don't override the MW-provided link tooltips. KarikaSlayer (talk) 13:54, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I know that we usually aim to show translits. for all non-Roman entries. There is a problem (which I didn't initially realise) that some tables, particularly those with multiple forms and long words, will be too bus - leading to more confusion than we want (users can always look at the headword or follow the link to get a translit.). The amended layout will be a problem with small screens on mobile phones. I would therefore like to remove your changes. &emsp; — Saltmarsh συζήτηση-talk 05:26, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Feel free. I'll try to find some way to do link tooltip translits. KarikaSlayer (talk) 11:27, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! &emsp; — Saltmarsh συζήτηση-talk 04:40, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * thanks again - sorry, but I'm afraid that the tooltip is showing the Greek characters not Roman. &emsp; — Saltmarsh συζήτηση-talk 05:05, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * For some reason, templates don't work with . I suspect it's a Mediawiki bug. KarikaSlayer (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Well thanks for trying &emsp;— Saltmarsh συζήτηση-talk 20:14, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

VL Module Errors
Given the amount of time you spent on this, I can understand how you might not want to look at anything VL-related ever again, but there are still three VL entries in CAT:E with module errors. Would you please fix them? Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 22:25, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * All . Thanks! KarikaSlayer (talk) 00:40, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Chuck Entz (talk) 01:58, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Here's another one: Reconstruction:Latin/visaticum. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 04:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * ! KarikaSlayer (talk) 18:42, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 03:27, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Westrobothnian
Hello. I see you have added a few Westrobothnian words. I am wondering where from you get them, and which spelling convention they follow?
 * I don't remember adding any Westrobothnian words (just fixing the links in Proto-Germanic entries). I believe has been adding most of them. KarikaSlayer (talk) 02:58, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

smagrir
This has had a module error for a couple of days, so it's probably due to your edits at Module:vec-conj. Would you be so kind as to fix it? Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 05:28, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * by . KarikaSlayer (talk) 01:13, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Module:VL-adj
There are a couple of VL-adj templates in CAT:E, apparently because the module isn't getting the parameter it's expecting when it's invoked from the template namespace. Please fix. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 03:49, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * . KarikaSlayer (talk) 04:53, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Chuck Entz (talk) 04:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Reconstructed Latin Words
Hi there. I love your work on this category, and as someone interested in the same topic I have a number of ideas for it:

For reference, let's take this entry: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Latin/excadeo

- The name of the language. It's currently marked Latin/Vulgar Latin, which I don't think is quite what we need. The words reconstructed here are unattested in Classical Latin and may not have existed yet in (Early-Mid) Vulgar Latin, after all. Since they are reconstructed from comparisons of modern and medieval Romance Languages, what they really reflect is Proto-Romance (alternately, Late Vulgar Latin), their last common stage. So why don't we name the category Proto-Romance ?

- Macrons. In keeping with the Proto-Romance theme, they are misleading since the Classical Latin vowel length system was gone by that point. In P-R it's word stress and syllable structure that determine vowel length (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages#Stressed_vowels). For distinguishing lax vowels from tense ones, < ę ǫ > and analogous < į ų > could do.

- Spelling. Instead of e.g. excadeo, we could instead have escadio, reflecting the P-R pronunciation.

In the long-term, I don't see why we couldn't expand this category to cover most Latin-derived Romance words. E.g. the ancestors of French mois would show as OFr meis < PR mese < CL mensem.

I say 'we' because I'd like to help as well. But before I start anything, please let me know what you think. --Excelsius (talk) 08:34, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

A couple more things:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Latin/festizo As can be seen from the deriv's, intervocalic < z > indicates a [dʲ], which later develops into [j], which becomes [dd͡ʒ, dd͡z] in Italian and stays as-is in French. The palatalization of the t is unlikely, as none of the derivatives show the expected outcomes [dd͡ʒ, tt͡s] for It. and [z] for Fr., as in titionem > tizzone, tison and rationem > ragione, raison. The first e was long in the Classical Latin word, so it should be [e] not [ɛ]. The second < e >, if we're going by Proto-Romance pronunciation instead of later Italo-Western or Eastern Romance, should still be [ɪ].

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Latin/desidium PR didn't have nasalized vowels. Intervocalic consonants weren't lenited yet ( ð definitely did not exist yet, and vita still had its [t]). Also the auto-generated pronunciation for desidium didn't palatalize the second d, for some reason. The PR pronunciation would be [deˈsɪ.dʲʊ].
 * Hello! In response to your points:


 * As for Proto-Romance, there is at least one comprehensive reconstruction of Proto-Romance that I'm aware of, but as far as I know, the idea that Proto-Romance represents a discrete entity from Latin or Vulgar Latin is a minority position in Romance linguistics. If we did decide to implement it (by consensus), it would probably have a new orthography like you said, as well as a new language code. (The conjugation templates are a good example for the former.)


 * The IPA thing uses Module:la-pronunc as its backend, and I definitely agree that it needs to be reworked some (palatalization, like you said, has always worked funny). A general pre-vowel lowering state would probably work.KarikaSlayer (talk) 16:46, 2 January 2017 (UTC)



Hi, thanks for the reply.

So it may not have been clear why I was suggesting Proto-Romance as the name. Vulgar Latin is a fairly unspecific term, it's often used to cover anything from Plautus' speech to that of some lower-class romans in the Satyricon, to Pompeii inscriptions, etc. It's just a very broad term. Proto-Romance does fit into the category of Vulgar Latin, but it specifically covers the period right before languages like Proto-Sardinian and Proto-Romanian split off. So the comparative method when applied to all/most rom-langs reveals words (e.g. the ones you've been posting) and phonological characteristics reflecting the last time they were all one language. Which was Proto-Romance, by definition. So that's what we're working with here (as far as I can tell).

This gives us a specific period in time to work with, which lets us know what sort of pronunciation we should use, e.g. we know that at that stage there were no consonants yet like ð, and Latin's [ʊ] had yet to merge into [o], considering that it went on to become [u] in Romanian/Sardinian. (Btw, I'm very interested in seeing the comprehensive reconstruction of PR that you mentioned.)

I think a nice idea would be having each Proto-Romance 'umbrella' entry contain the various Italo-Western, Sardinian, and Eastern Romance versions that spun off later. You already seem to have something similar going on here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Latin/mulgo although it doesn't work perfectly IMO because the 'vulgar' pronunciation given there reflects only the [o] of Italo-Western, not the [u] of Sardinian/Eastern Rom. Wouldn't it make sense to have the main pronunciation reflect the last common ancestor [ʊ] ?

Speaking of consensus, is there some place we could take this discussion ? Excelsius (talk) 05:28, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * That reconstruction of Proto-Romance is Proto-Romance Morphology by Robert A. Hall Jr. There's a similar Proto-Romance Phonology, but I can't find much info about it on the web. If you want to try to get consensus, the beer parlour would be your best bet. KarikaSlayer (talk) 20:44, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * So I've ordered and received Hall's Proto-Romance Phonology. No luck with the Beer Parlour, though- maybe the topic's too esoteric ? Anyway, the Vulgar Latin about page states that we're considering the "latest common ancestor of the Romance languages" so yeah, it's Proto-Rom. If I come up with an orthography, etc. based on Hall, would you implement it all or alternately not stop me from implementing it ?

Module:fo-noun/data-m
Wintry greetings from Idaho, Karika.

In case you have decided to return to updating the Faroese noun inflection tables, I made myself this module for Template:fo-decl-noun-m1 and its pluralia tanta and singularia tanta, just for you with copying—of course. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 07:45, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Now I added data for Template:fo-decl-noun-m2. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 09:35, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Having created a prototype module for neuter nouns, how can I add information for Template:fo-decl-noun-n4 in regards to Template:fo-decl-noun-n3? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 06:28, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * For patterns with parentheses, I usually split it into two table entries (otherwise, making it link properly is a big pain). Thanks for doing all this, by the way. KarikaSlayer (talk) 16:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I wish to see a demonstration of that. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 17:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * P.S. You may, however, add to the module for neuter nouns the information for the declension pattern "n4" to show what you mean. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 17:49, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I added it to your sandbox module (hope you don't mind). KarikaSlayer (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, now I would like to know how the information for Template:fo-decl-noun-n4-s is added. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 23:42, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Integrating the data in Module:fo-noun/data-n
How can Module:fo-noun be updated to include information from Module:fo-noun/data-n? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 09:40, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I rewrote a few lines to let it auto-detect the data modules. KarikaSlayer (talk) 15:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, now I can move the mentioned neuter noun declension templates over to Lua. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 02:42, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Now I need help with Template:fo-decl-noun-n4-s. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 07:03, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed (n4-s was calling a function n4.singular that didn't exist). KarikaSlayer (talk) 00:58, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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which causes the nom_sg to display as *ingangaz instead of *inngangaz. Is this intended? --kc_kennylau (talk) 13:15, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * , No, and I have no idea what that code is there for. Either way, it's been removed. KarikaSlayer (talk) 14:20, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Re: *strikiz
Penultimate light syllable should indicate j? --kc_kennylau (talk) 21:15, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, or preferably just leave it off; Module:gem-pronunc can figure it out. KarikaSlayer (talk) 22:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I asked because I did not discount the possibility of this being an exception. Are *-skapiz and *frijōndiskapiz exceptions? --kc_kennylau (talk) 05:45, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * isn't, but is. KarikaSlayer (talk) 14:11, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Why is not? --kc_kennylau (talk) 14:16, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, you're right, is an exception, because it's morphologically two words, and the stem of the suffix (actually another word) is a light syllable. KarikaSlayer (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

How do we know that the genitive plural of *frijōndiskapiz is *frijōndiskapijǫ̂ but not *frijōndiskapjǫ̂? --kc_kennylau (talk) 08:34, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * That was my fault. I thought I'd fixed that. It's fixed now. KarikaSlayer (talk) 16:42, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Lua Module
Lua module? What in the world is this "Lua module"? Now I can't edit or look at any of the templates here, the declensions of many Proto-Germanic nouns are locked in a brocken position e.g. I had to manually mark the nom. sg. of magaþs beause the s-wasn't appearing. And now nor can I or any casual visitor look at the inflection tables just for casual reverence. What is this so-called "Lua Module"? Why are the inflections for many Proto-Germanic nouns locked with the template "gem-decl-noun" so that nobody can edit the data through the regular edit page, and why are the inflections for so many of these nouns damaged from the transfer over to this so-called "Lua-Module" I'm getting frustrated and am having a herd time cleaning up the mess created by this ridiculous switch. Whoever is responsible for this confusing switch so that I cannot edit inflection tables normally please speak to me on my talk page Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 18:31, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The Template for Has "ij" frozen from the previous edit before the switch over to "Lua Module" Where Don Ringe on Page-270 has "j" variant for Sievers' Law. There are other annoying cases frozen from the switch over to "Lua Module", but I cannot think of any other examples right now.
 * I was under the impression that Sievers' Law gave -ij- for polysyllables, but maybe not. KarikaSlayer (talk) 19:44, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Another example is where before the Proto-Germanic templates were switched over to "Lua Module", I could easily edit the data in them and look at the template themselves for references, but now, after the switch over to "Lua Module", the templates are hidden and now nobody can edit the data normally or use the templates as a basis reference for grammar.Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 18:55, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The idea behind the Lua module is that for most cases, entry creators can just use by itself and have the Lua module fill in the inflection automatically. It can also figure out i-mutation. KarikaSlayer (talk) 19:44, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That all sounds nice and I wish that had been visible somewhere on the documentation page for the templates, but now none of the templates for gem-pro-decl are visible for reference like they were prior to your May 28, 2017 edits.
 * Also, I have no idea how the new "Lua Module" could possibly automatically fill in the data for irregular nouns as the current edit pages suggest for, , , , , etc. Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 15:07, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Could you please list all the changes that need to be made to the module. For irregular nouns, we have a module that gives the irregular declension. Please do not go around changing them back to the old declensions. — JohnC5 16:21, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The following are the main changes needed for the new "Lua Module" template for the Proto-Germanic conjugation tables in descending priority:


 * 1) Allow the templates to be visible like they were prior to the may 28, 2017 edits and as the conjugation template for Proto-Germanic still are
 * 2) Fix Template:gem-decl-ijo-f so that Sievers' Variant "j" appears after all instances of light syllables "VC" as Don Ringe has on page 270 of his book for  unless counter- references can be explicitly provided and cited.
 * 3) Allow the new "Lua Module" parameters to be manually overridden lest it make another stupid mistake like it did for  (The new "Lua module" thought the stem for the word was "magaþs" and it declined it like magaþsiz, magaþsi, magaþsų etc. Even after I changed the noun back to the old template, the noun would not show the final-s for the nominative singular unless I manually specified nomsg=magaþs.)
 * 4) Alow the new "Lua Module" template to show transclusions like it used to prior to the May 28, 2017 edits and as the conjugation templates for Proto-Germanic still do.
 * 5) Include instructions for the new "Lua Module" templates so that editors unfamiliar with the template cam use it.
 * These are the main changes that I am aware of that are needed for the new "Lua Module" templates for Proto-Germanic declension, but if I notice any further errors with the current declension templates, I will post them here on this talk page.Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 17:28, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It's awfully strange the way you keep putting the term Lua module in quotes. Are you doing it out of disgust for the concept, or are you just unclear what it is? It is a module (a modular piece of code) written in the programming language Lua. As for the requests:
 * Are you asking for the old templates to be restored? If so, I would say no. We can make an appendix for people to reference, but having two sets of templates causes confusion.
 * You are right that Karika has coded Siever's law wrong. Polysyllables do not matter. That needs to be changed.
 * Manual overrides are not necessary at this point. This is just an error with that needs to be fixed.
 * No (see 1)
 * The template has instructions at gem-decl-noun.
 * — JohnC5 17:51, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The Sievers' law thing and the error with *magaþs have been fixed. There's also an existing (now out of date) reference page at Appendix:Proto-Germanic nouns that I've been meaning to work on. KarikaSlayer (talk) 23:18, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I apologize for any confusions caused by putting Lua Module in quotations. I was not sure what had been changed with the new Proto-Germanic conjugation templates. All that I know is that after May 20, 2017, all the original noun inflection templates say "Now uses Lua module" in the edit description. I am not sure what is Lua module so I put it in quotationsNayrb Rellimer (talk) 00:04, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm still having problems with this new template though. I tried using it for the entry for and the Lua Module keeps changing the stem to "andaulitja-" even though the entry headword is "andawlitją" and since it is a compound word, the initial-w from the second member shouldn't have formed a diphthong (The force of analogy would have restored the "w").Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 00:44, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I recently just now tried looking at the code for "Module:gem-decl-noun". I have no idea what most of it means. I find it odd that there is no "local endings_reverse =" parameter for "cons-mf" since there are a handful of regular consonant stem nouns that might benefit from such a parameter (If I am understanding this foreign computer language correctly). I cannot either find any setting in the code that looks like it controls Sievers' variants for "j" or "ij", nor can I find any setting that automatically changes all instances of "aw" or "Vw" to "au" that would need to be changed to make an exception between the components of compound words.Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 15:34, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Another issue recently I had with the new Proto-Germanic declension template was with the paradigm for . It had the reverse problem with . The template apparently thought that the stem for the word was gan- and so declined it ganiz, gani, ganų etc. I had to manually specify nomsg=gans and use the older template. I don't know how this could be fixed with the newer template.Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 15:59, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * *gans and *andawlitją should be working normally now. KarikaSlayer (talk) 18:56, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I am reporting further issues. Apparently the changes you made to the template generalized all closing diphthongs in all positions to "aw", "aj" etc. I tried using the template on and it gave me "coda error [jr]"Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 14:22, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Just now I checked the declension for and it seems to be working fine.  also is working fine.Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 14:27, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It was a problem with the sequence -jr- specifically. Should be fixed. KarikaSlayer (talk) 01:04, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, I just want to check if you could still fix the issues with Sievers' Law in the template.Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 19:18, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * What specific errors do you mean? I fixed polysyllables if that's what you're asking. KarikaSlayer (talk) 19:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * How in the world do you use the new template on neuter þ-stems? I'm trying to create an inflection table for with a stem *aiginþ- but the template won't work rightNayrb Rellimer (talk) 19:48, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * For now, I have to add an exception manually to Module:gem-decl-noun/data/irreg. Should be fixed now. KarikaSlayer (talk) 19:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Old High German modules
Hello KarikaSlayer,

Can you please add jō- stem to the noun declension module please?

Thanks. Leornendeealdenglisc (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

osx-conj-wk3
Hi KarikaSlayer ! Now that template osx-conj-wk3 is using a Lua module, how can it be edited ? I need to make a change to this template for the 2nd and 3rd person singular indicative forms Leasnam (talk) 03:38, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The individual forms are in Module:osx-conj/data. It's set up pretty much the same as the template was IIRC, with args[1] and args[2] corresponding to the arguments for the template if that's any help. KarikaSlayer (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Old Frisian declension tables
Hello KarikaSlayer,

I hope you're doing well. I have changed the feminine n-stem to reflect the weak feminine declension of tunge. I had trouble putting the strong feminine o-stem in the module. Could you please help put it in?

Thank you, Cefin Leornendeealdenglisc (talk) 16:19, 5 April 2020 (UTC)