User talk:Nicodene/Sandbox2

Subgroups and proto-languages
Balkan Romance = Proto-Balkan Romance or Proto-Romanian (ancestral to Romanian, Aromanian, Istro-Romanian, and Megleno-Romanian)

Dalmatian = Proto-Dalmatian (ancestral to Ragusan and Vegliot dialects of Dalmatian and possibly also Istriot)

Insular Romance = Proto-Insular Romance or Proto-Sardinian (ancestral to all Sardinian dialects, ancient and modern)

Italo-Romance = Proto-Italo-Romance (ancestral to Corsican, (Old) Italian, Neapolitan, and Sicilian)

North Italian = proto-language ancestral to North Italian languages (which is more of an areal group), possibly equal to Early Proto-Gallo-Romance or even Proto-Western Romance

Gallo-Romance = Proto-Gallo-Romance (ancestral to French, other langues d'oïl, Franco-Provençal, Catalan, and Occitan)

Occitano-Romance = Proto-Occitano-Romance (ancestral to Catalan and Occitan forming a primary branch of Gallo-Romance)

Ibero-Romance = Proto-Ibero-Romance (ancestral to Aragonese, Asturian, Galician, Mirandese, Mozarabic, Leonese, Portuguese, and Spanish) Kwékwlos (talk) 22:16, 3 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I used to think that about Istriot, but in all the work since then, I've yet to really see something 'Dalmatian' in it. Maybe there is some kind of substratum to it.
 * North Italian is indeed basically an areal grouping. I do not see it as really being a valid node of its own, i.e. I don't really see on what basis one could reconstruct a 'Proto North Italian' as a coherent descendant of Western Romance with unique innovations of its own.
 * Proto-Occitano-Romance is basically identical to Proto-Gallo-Romance in practice (you'll see what I mean with more 'test words'). I've been moving towards basically merging this category into Gallo-Romance lately.
 * Insular Romance also includes Old Corsican (though I've barely put any of it on Wiktionary so far). That is, the language spoken there prior to 'Tuscanization'. Traces of this are visible for instance in the descendants of (Corsican most certainly inherited this word from the pre-Tuscan language).

Add more?
Can you try another reconstructed entry with pronunciations? Kwékwlos (talk) 15:43, 25 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Go for it, and I'll add some notes. Nicodene (talk) 16:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)