User talk:Pious Eterino/Archive

Equinox ◑ 21:37, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Language codes
initialism of says the lang parameter is optional, but that just means you won't get a module error if you leave it out. Without that parameter, it won't go in the right category and it will be added to Category:Language code missing/deftempboiler, meaning that someone will have to follow after you and add it to all those entries. It's great that you're cleaning up these entries, but without the language codes you're only doing half the job. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 17:16, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I added |lang=en to EISCAT, but I can't see any change, except that it is no longer in Category:Language code missing/deftempboiler - and that category doesn't seem to me to be very useful. --Pious Eterino (talk) 17:27, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The template defaults to English, but we're trying to move all our infrastructure away from that model — it's a problem if we can't automatically distinguish English from something that is simply underspecified. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 19:43, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems there are a lot of pages in that code-missing category, many from my recent contributions. It's a shame these weren't caught earlier otherwise I wouldn't have produced so many errors. Maybe now is a good time to take a back step and reflect on my work hitherto and see if there are other things I could do better, to avoid future redundancies. Perhaps you could give me some pointers. --Pious Eterino (talk) 23:38, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I should use the "Show preview" button more, and check a term actually exists if in doubt. NICHED is a good example of unnecessary contributions. --Pious Eterino (talk) 23:46, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I should ponder what the point of any of this is. --Pious Eterino (talk) 23:48, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I think your work here thus far has been helpful, so you should not be overly concerned about it being imperfect. You're improving entries, and doing work that few people seem to have the patience for. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 00:08, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the nice message. Patience is not endless. The same of can barely be said for this superlong list I started working through. --Pious Eterino (talk) 00:12, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, it depends what sort of person you are. Some people stick around for years chipping away at lists with thousands of entries that need individual attention. Others, like me, flit continually between different languages and projects. In the end, it hardly matters; there is an incalculable amount of work to be done, and the dictionary needs both sorts of editor. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 00:16, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I wish I could flit between languages, but I never had the knack. --Pious Eterino (talk) 00:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You don't have to flit between languages- there are dozens of projects you can work on in English. Once you get tired of one, you can switch to something else. We've had lots of people who were stubborn and kept plowing on after their errors were pointed out. Someone who's willing to learn and improve is rare and valuable. Please don't give up on yourself- or on us. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 02:33, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

✅ Category:Language code missing/deftempboiler
 * Well, I've been working through that category and the Abbreviations list - there is enough work for a year or so! --Pious Eterino (talk) 09:42, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Help needed, if you are interested
Saw your comments at the Grease Pit. If you are looking for something to do, here is a project that may interest you. I updated the quotation template to bring it in line with other such templates, but this has created problems on some entry pages where the template is used which can't be fixed by bot. A lot of them are due to a version of the work other than the one currently used in the template being quoted from. Some of them are listed at User:Benwing2/rq-templates-unable-to-parse; there may be others.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, would be to find these errors and correct them manually by applying with the correct parameters. See for an example of a correctly applied template. — SGconlaw (talk) 18:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't quite understand what needs to be done. I don't see any errors in, for example, the page canzonet. --Pious Eterino (talk) 13:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I see now what needs to be done. I guess you need to look up on this page for the quotes, and add them to the template. I tried that, but got no search results for three different words. --Pious Eterino (talk) 13:51, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That's because you happened to pick an entry that has problems with a different quotation template, instead of . — SGconlaw (talk) 14:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * [Edit conflict.] Actually, that entry uses a different quotation template,, but it raises the same issues as . If you look at the quotation in , you will see the line ", Folio Society 2006, vol.1, p.213" underneath the citation. That is now undesirable as it is not supported by the current version of . What should be done is the following:
 * Replace with.
 * Look up the quotation in the version of the work at the Internet Archive now supported by the template.
 * Update the relevant parameters of the quotation template: the book number, chapter name and page number on which the quotation appears.
 * Delete the line ", Folio Society 2006, vol.1, p.213".
 * — SGconlaw (talk) 14:00, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip. --Pious Eterino (talk) 14:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries. It would be great if you could help reduce the backlog! — SGconlaw (talk) 14:03, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * So, I will try with overweening. --Pious Eterino (talk) 14:14, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * There is a problem with all the obsolete letters - should we change them to modern-day letters, or keep them how they are already? The citation would start Let vs ſuppreſſe this over-weening --Pious Eterino (talk) 14:23, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * We don't currently have a policy on this. Personally I retain the archaic lettering in the actual quotation, but don't use them in chapter names and book titles. (See, for example, some of the early quotations in which was recently WOTD.) — SGconlaw (talk) 15:11, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Sgconlaw, to be honest, that task is very unstimulating and as a result I will not be doing it. I'd prefer something more modern. What you've been doing, adding citations to Word of the day/Nominations, looks a lot more stimulating. And I can learn something useful doing it too! --Pious Eterino (talk) 21:49, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I attempted to copy what Sgconlaw did on the page knacker's yard. Sometimes I couldn't find all the information, so I left it blank. I assume it is better to have most of the information rather than none. --Pious Eterino (talk) 22:21, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries! — SGconlaw (talk) 13:07, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Useful links

 * Template:attention to put entry in a category that people who know the language may check ... eventually.

Good templated citations
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RFV vs. RFD
Greetings, when you think a term does not exist, the proper venue if WT:RFV rather than WT:RFD. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks. I remembered the difference. I sometimes send a term to RFD because I couldn't verify it myself. --Pious Eterino (talk) 13:22, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Even if you cannot verify the term yourself, verification requests belong to WT:RFV. Enteries are deleted via both processes, just for different reasons. Approximately, you think the term does not exist => RFV; you think the term is a sum of parts => RFD. --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:43, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Turkish acronyms request
Hi, if you're going through all of these, could you please also modify them like I did in ? I moved the gloss into the template and simplified the Wikipedia link. Thank you! —Rua (mew) 18:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I can do that. Many of these don't actually have an English Wikipedia page, which may or not be relevant. --Pious Eterino (talk) 18:50, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Maybe the individual words can be linked to each separate entry, but that wouldn't really help people understand what the combination of the words means. On the other hand, there is WT:BRAND which disallows certain names. I never really understood what it does and doesn't apply to. —Rua (mew) 18:52, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll take a look at WT:BRAND for starters. In the case of Turkish, I'm not going to link to individual words as I have no understanding of the language, tanışım. --Pious Eterino (talk) 18:56, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That page is pretty unclear to me too. Besides, Turkish political parties are not brand names anyway. --Pious Eterino (talk) 19:00, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Unlike OS X, which certainly is. --Pious Eterino (talk) 19:07, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I brought it up at WT:TR, we'll see what comes of it. —Rua (mew) 19:08, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

More old conversations
These were from when I was using LiquidThreads Pious Eterino (talk) 10:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)