User talk:Tollef Salemann

Templates
Hi, thanks for helping add new entries in Norwegian. I just wanted to point out that a lot of your edits are being tagged with a no-head-temp message. This is a mistake that a lot of people make, but it's good to get it right ... on this wiki, you need to add a template such as nn-adj in order to get the proper forms of each adjective (or other part of speech) to appear on the page. In some cases, it may be necessary to add other parameters to the template if a given word is irregular, or to mark gender. Sorry to put work on top of work, but these entries are not complete as they stand and can really only be completed by someone knowledgable in the target language. Best regards, — Soap — 14:28, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Aha! Do I need to put these templates even to the alternative forms of eye-spelling? Gonna check Tollef Salemann (talk) 14:36, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, but you can use nn or nn as general-purpose solutions in particularly troublesome cases. Your fellow Nynorsk editors may not love you for that, however. I have added templates to a few entries to get you started, but it would be the wisest if you reviewed those. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  17:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Blanking pages
Hi - please don't just blank a page and leave it, like you did at på gav spaserom. If you think it needs to be deleted use d, and put the reason in the first parameter. Theknightwho (talk) 15:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Didn't knew how to do it. Thanks! Tollef Salemann (talk) 03:34, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

hainnj
I tagged this for cleanup because of multiple problems:

First of all, you have to have a headword template such as nn-noun

Second, one of the definitions is for a pronoun, so they can't all be under a "Noun" part-of-speech header.

Third, you call these "eye dialect", but they seem to be pronunciation spellings. Eye dialect refers to terms that are pronounced normally, but spelled differently to make them look like dialect. These are pronounced differently from the non-dialect forms you linked to, so it looks like they're being spelled to match the (dialectal) pronunciation. It's a subtle difference, so there are lots of entries that get this wrong.

As for whether this should be split up into multiple etymologies: strictly speaking they're all different, but I notice that we have abbreviations grouped without regard to difference in etymology. I don't deal with this kind of thing enough to know if we do the same for pronunciation spellings. You may need to ask at the Beer parlour.

I was surprised to find an entry of yours with so many problems, because the quality of your contributions in the discussion forums led me to think you had quite a bit more experience than you apparently do. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 00:45, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Gonna edit this one! I guess, there are some more. I'm not sure wether it is eye dialect or not actually, because the English exaples of eye dialect are quite close to this one. The standard spelling for n-endings is just more appropriate for southern dialects in Norway. Tollef Salemann (talk) 05:52, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * One day I was finding all this entries with missing-tempales, but didn't see this one.
 * About the etymology: after coming across many practical problems it causes, I'm not fan of not-related words put under the same category, so I allways try to split them. Haven't seen so much of 'hainnj', when I added IPA. Tollef Salemann (talk) 06:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe we need a clean up in the whole Nynorsk eye dialect section? As far I've understood, the pronunciation spelling is e. g. when you write 'å' instead of short 'o'. If you've got a dialectal pronunciation spelling, it's considered as an eye dialect. If it's not right, we should clean up a lot of Nynorsk entries (I'm not the only one who use the difinition of eye dialect). Tollef Salemann (talk) 06:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Norwegian hyphenation rules
I have been working on a checking script for hyphenation patterns (making sure that words spelled out in the hyphenation pattern actually match the word of the entry). I hope you can clarify some hyphenation rules for Norwegian.

For Norwegian Nynorsk, it seems that words can gain diacritics that are not in the original word. Is that correct? Or should those diacritics be removed?

For Norwegian Bokmål it seems that some "s" becomes "s-s" (e.g. Christiansand). Is that correct and what's the rules on this?

Maybe you can take a look at the two linked tables to see what are real errors that need to be fixed and what needs to be fixed in my QA script (but I think it's just the two issues above). Thank you! tbm (talk) 06:05, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure about hyphenation nor diacritics, but Eiliv is adding some diacritics used in dictionaries. These can be used for differenting words (for, fór and fôr - the last two are pronounced same way in all dialects, but they have different senses) or for dialectal diphtongues (bát, knív and stól - but these are not standard Nynorsk). As you mentioned Christianssand and Frederiksstad - these two look like some old spellings from before World War I (these are cities named after kings, so it's litterally same as Krestjan's sand and Fredrek's sta, that's why you get double s, but it's just older spelling. Tollef Salemann (talk) 06:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * But am still not sure what you mean by "hyphenation patterns". Is it like word division rules? But what the accent marks have to do with it? Sorry for being so noobe. Tollef Salemann (talk) 12:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay. I didn't see your reply. You have to use when replying to someone.
 * I am talking about the use of the template on Norwegian pages. If you look at the two links in my original post, it contains a list of words where I'm not sure if the hyphenation information is correct. (But I'm not sure because I don't know the rules.) For example,  says "Hyphenation: a‧batt‧oi‧ar" but a‧batt‧oi‧ar doesn't match the word "abattoir" (the "a" is probably wrong). If you look at my list, there are some that look like typos and some where I'm not sure if they are valid.
 * I hope this makes it clearer. tbm (talk) 23:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Aha! Ok now I understand your list! Tollef Salemann (talk) 08:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * . Fixed the Bokmål part of your list (i guess there is some more actually). It was just typos. Am also not sure if we do really have standard hyphenation rules (or how many people do really use them). The diacritics in Nynorsk were added by and am not sure why, but he have some explaining for them. Anyway, they may be useful (as I said, i and o sounds in some dialects get these diacritics the same way as in Icelandic). If they don't belong in the hyphenation section, maybe we can remove them into some other place (like in case with Serbo-Croatian), as long as it ain't gonna be no mess. Tollef Salemann (talk) 08:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I greatly appreciate your help.
 * BTW, Christianssand is still wrong (it ends with ssand but the hyph only has one s). And in akhasier you added a "b" that isn't in the word.
 * Thanks again! tbm (talk) 05:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Tollef Salemann (talk) 06:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

за meaning "about"
Hi. Last year you added a colloquial, dialectal defn of meaning "about". It doesn't indicate what case the preposition takes in this meaning and I can't verify this in any dictionary, including Dal's, which normally lists dialectal usages. Where does this come from, can you give an example, and can you indicate what case is being governed? Benwing2 (talk) 06:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)


 * It is colloquial but not necessary dialectal. I always thought it came from prison slang, but maybe am wrong. It is used exactly like про. Nowadays it is very common in Russian speech. You can easy google examples just by change про with за, like говорить за жизнь. You can maybe find it in modern prison songs and in youtube. Am sure that Goblin uses this expression a lot (at least back in the day). Not remember if Severny was using it, but ain't gonna be surprised if he did. I personally never use it. Tollef Salemann (talk) 13:21, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also nice example, думать за работу (to think about work). Tollef Salemann (talk) 13:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)