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--Vahag (talk) 23:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

*Daďьbogъ и *perunъ
Мы не используем заглавные буквы в реконструкциях. --WikiTiki89 12:04, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Почему? В прагерманском, например, используют. Это же имя собственное, а оно пишется с заглавной буквы. Тогда уж исправьте и — это же реконструкция. Забавно, что эта страница была создана . Получается, что  ("молния, гром") и  ("бог, бьющий, ударяющий, разящий (громом и молнией)") будут на одной странице — это странно, у них же разные категории. К тому же в польском первое слово дало, а второе — . В общем, на мой взгляд, это только запутывает, а не упрощает словарь.—Useigor (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Значит надо будет обсуждать в WT:BP. То, что два значения окажутся на одной странице, — легко решаемая проблема. --WikiTiki89 17:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Glagolitic OCS
I'm not sure if all these words are actually attested in Glagolitic. Then again, I don't know if all of them are attested in Cyrillic. But it does seem like something that might need discussion first; I don't know what the agreed practice is in cases like this. —CodeCat 19:11, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * ,, i just noticed that Glagolica is not used in dictionaries (Derksen, ЭССЯ, Vasmer) but at same time i see that we use it. Maybe i'm wrong but i think that Glagolica is just alternative writing system to Cyrillic like Cyrillic and Latin in 🇨🇬. — Игорь Телкачь 19:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Both scripts are OK, regardless of attestation. Actual attestations should be provided on citation pages, and what is attestation and what transliteration/transcription should be indicated in the entry. There is no infrastructure for that in the templates just yet however, because it's PITA to research each word and set it up. In the meantime, Glagolitic is certainly not forbidden, even though they were ill-thought attempts by CodeCat to do just that. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 19:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Correction, my attempts were to treat Cyrillic as the main lemma and Glagolitic as alternative form. I don't know why you think I wanted to forbid Glagolitic or remove it, but if that's what you thought at the time it certainly explains the stubborn irrationality I got from you. —CodeCat 21:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Reducing Glagolitic spellings to soft-redirects that shouldn't be used outside specific environments for efficiency's sake is effectively forbidding it. It's not irrationality, but higher-order rationality. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 22:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess I was wrong, you're still making irrational claims. —CodeCat 23:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It is not surprising that you are wrong. I blame the misguided instinct to see and enforce regularity and order where there is none. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 23:46, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Appendix:Frenkish Swadesh list
Thanks for editing some parts. Frenkish is an international auxiliary language (IAL) created by David Parke based mostly on words from the Germanic language family. There's an online dictionary page and a Facebook page. He has released two PDF files (one dictionary and one grammar), both of which are under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License version 1.2. --Glennobrien (talk) 09:35, 15 December 2014 (UTC+11:00)

квас
Привет,

Как слово "квас" связано со словом "кислый"? По-польски "кислота" - kwas, "sour" - kwaśny, но это нельзя обозначить как "cognate", скорее они имеют общие корни. Мне кажется, это не совсем правильно, то, что ты написал. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:41, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) Об их связи:
 * Черных: "аблаут к "
 * ЭССЯ: "Праслав. и проиводный от него глагол  родственны, ,  и производным прилагательным и существительным"
 * Vasmer: "с другой степенью вокализма: "
 * Сравни с *xytiti : xvatati.


 * 2) Значение я переписал из словаря Derksen'а (с. 258), так что все вопросы насчёт правильности к нему. — Игорь Тълкачь 02:57, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Спасибо, извини, что сразу не ответил. Посмотрю ссылки. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:41, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

хозяин
Привет, Игорь. Есть rfe для хозяин. Интересует? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:08, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Извини, не удержался, сделал сам. Можешь поучаствовать в обсуждении или добавить что-то, если нужно. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:57, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

кудеса, кудить
Я сделал кудеса по «Словарю русского языка XVIII века», а кудить — по «Словарю русских народных говоров». Есть ещё кудити ‘хулить, порицать; осуждать || выставлять на всеобщее осмеяние’ в «Словаре русского языка XI—XVII вв.».--Cinemantique (talk) 03:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * , спасибо. —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 09:55, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

jьzkonь
Аноним создал такую статью. В ЭССЯ нет этой формы. Не выдумка ли?--Cinemantique (talk) 10:46, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * , поскольку он указал, 🇨🇬 (которые согласно ЭССЯ произошло от ), я страницу переименовал и её содержимое заново написал. —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 08:10, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Спасибо.--Cinemantique (talk) 08:12, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

sinjь
Прочитал эту тему. Возможно, в ЭССЯ имеется в виду существительное, от которое произошло слово синь? У Шапошникова прилагательное синий восстановлено как *син’ь(йь). Не уверен, что означает апостроф.--Cinemantique (talk) 01:25, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * , является производным (см. Черных-2-163, ср.  <  [ЭССЯ-04-157]). В ЭССЯ обычно не пишется jь при упоминании прилагательного и по какой-то причине иногда пропускается символ для обозначения мягкости (например  —,  — ,  — ). Апостроф обозначает мягкость н, то есть *sinjь(jь) по текущим правилам. —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 10:30, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

*oměgъ

 * Не нашёл статью об этой форме в ЭССЯ (см. омег).--Cinemantique (talk) 22:28, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * , поскольку в Vasmer написано, что слово связано с, в слове ожидается приставка, и в 28 выпуске ЭССЯ на странице 58 как раз есть статья. —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 08:09, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Спасибо.--Cinemantique (talk) 08:25, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Я теперь эту страницу праславянскую создалъ если что. Я такой приставки не ожидаю. Fay Freak (talk) 14:52, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * написание этого слова зависит от правописания и ЭССЯ в основном следует морфологическому правописанию, поэтому там *obměgъ. В прочих словарях оно бывает другим. —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 12:52, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction on *meyḱ-
I accidentally saved it before I was done. I'm glad someone is checking to make sure there are no errors in new pages! :) — JohnC5 04:17, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Cat's paw
Thanks for your note. Where has its paw left the wrong mark its time? Here: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix_talk:Proto-Slavic/granica?

Pawing it on a mobile so short. Zezen (talk) 09:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC) Zezen (talk) 09:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * , compare or  and . Simply: etymology at top, descendants at bottom, etc. Also check bottom bar "Categories", you know Proto-Slavic isn't English or Serbo-Croatian. Note that languages at etymology use template .—Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 17:08, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Pokorny
Just so you know, Pokorny is vastly outdated for PIE, and shouldn't be used as a reference. —CodeCat 18:10, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , well, i heard but i used it because it was used in other entries. I'll take this advice into account. —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 18:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Ta for accepting my edits
Fixing them and not reverting for formal errors. Them wiktionary 'ety' codes are beyond my feline ken, meseems. Zezen (talk) 16:21, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Klewos/es etc
I still do not get it. If they be descendants, why not list them there exempli gratia, under *ḱléw-es- then? Zezen (talk) 22:42, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


 * , reduplication. It's much easier to handle data in 1 entry than in 2+ entries. That's why there is link to in entry . —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 22:59, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Twardy
Re your revert, compare inter alia Proto-Indo-European Etymological Dictionary (c) 2012 Fernando López-Menchero, where it is derived therefrom.

Do your sources claim otherwise? Zezen (talk) 07:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)


 * , Derksen doesn't claim that PIE gave PS  (501) but  (500).  (2:231) gives PIE  for PS . Simply: PIE ō gave PS a, PIE o gave PS o (Derksen: PIE  > PS  ) and so on.—Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 15:31, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanations, Игорь Тълкачь. Zezen (talk) 17:34, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

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17:20, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * is unable to prevent breaking elements in Firefox (you can check it on ), so it caused to exist and . I don't see any derN but der-topN and colN (////, ////). —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 12:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Taking a hotly debated issue into your own hands and making changes en masse without any discussion is a bad idea, regardless of the outcome. -- 16:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * From my view, the discussion is stagnant and ineffective. In incorrect columns was marked with . Thru 1 year it was not solved and number of  was reduced from 1000+ to 870 (2020/07/14). In 2020.07.12  was created for cases with 2-5 top-elements. In 2020.07.15 it replaced, in 2020.07.25 and 2020.07.30 it was added to some PS entries to see how it works. —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 12:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

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*мѫжьщина
Hi,

Re : I wonder if Vasmer meant a OCS rather than OES, with  being the OES reconstruction? The OES form of is  with no nasalisation. : what do you think? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 07:47, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. мѫжьщина is a possible Old East Slavic spelling since ѫ and у were sometimes used interchangeably, but the reconstruction should not have it. Benwing2 (talk) 15:23, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It's probable that Vasmer meant OES, there are other entries where language is specified: "др.-русск." (кудель, пуд, радуга, долото), "прарусск." (воробей, холоп), "русск." (веретено), "вост.-слав." (толокно), "др.-вост.слав" (хоромы). But usually it's left unspecified (щнуться, спор, Словутич, реут, Тмуторокань, ...). Interestingly, Vasmer refers to Соблевский where it's spelled without "ѫ" ("мужьщина"). —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 14:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/-iti
Не могли бы Вы, пожалуйста, пояснить, почему, например лазити это именно интеративный глагол, а например ложити каузатив, а не наоборот? ПростаРечь (talk) 17:59, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Я не знаю, почему так сложилось, лучше этот вопрос задать в WT:TR. Могу лишь сказать, что эти значения способны совместиться в одном слове (например, 🇨🇬). —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 15:06, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Template:R:ru:Chernykh
There are now 18 ParserFunction errors due to your edit to this template. I trust you will either fix the entries or fix the template- we can't have errors sitting there indefinitely. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 19:59, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * i fixed erroneous cases. Thanks for showing, i wasn't aware of it. 1) Special:WhatLinksHere doesn't help. 2) Category:ParserFunction errors is covert: it is not mentioned anywhere and is hard to discover (Community Portal > Index > Category:Wiktionary maintenance > Category:ParserFunction_errors). And it's not complete: it doesn't discern templates and doesn't tell how to. After some searching, i see comfortable solution for error check -- MediaWiki search (from now it's used in ). Other solutions are: https://query.wikidata.org/, https://quarry.wmflabs.org/ (i did not test them). —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 15:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)