User talk:Vox Sciurorum

Welcome!

Hello, welcome to Wiktionary, and thank you for your contributions so far.

If you are unfamiliar with wiki editing, take a look at Help:How to edit a page. It is a concise list of technical guidelines to the wiki format we use here: how to, for example, make text boldfaced or create hyperlinks. Feel free to practice in the sandbox. If you would like a slower introduction we have a short tutorial.

These links may help you familiarize yourself with Wiktionary:


 * Entry layout (EL) is a detailed policy documenting how Wiktionary pages should be formatted. All entries should conform to this standard. The easiest way to start off is to copy the contents of an existing page for a similar word, and then adapt it to fit the entry you are creating.
 * Our Criteria for inclusion (CFI) define exactly which words can be added to Wiktionary, though it may be a bit technical and longwinded. The most important part is that Wiktionary only accepts words that have been in somewhat widespread use over the course of at least a year, and citations that demonstrate usage can be asked for when there is doubt.
 * If you already have some experience with editing our sister project Wikipedia, then you may find our guide for Wikipedia users useful.
 * The FAQ aims to answer most of your remaining questions, and there are several help pages that you can browse for more information.
 * A glossary of our technical jargon, and some hints for dealing with the more common communication issues.
 * If you have anything to ask about or suggest, we have several discussion rooms. Feel free to ask any other editors in person if you have any problems or question, by posting a message on their talk page.

You are encouraged to add a BabelBox to your userpage. This shows which languages you know, so other editors know which languages you'll be working on, and what they can ask you for help with.

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wiktionarian! If you have any questions, bring them to the Information desk, or ask me on my talk page. If you do so, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~ which automatically produces your username and the current date and time.

Again, welcome! Wyang (talk) 12:27, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

黑心菊
Please follow conventions when adding new Chinese entries. For example: Rudbeckia hirta; black-eyed Susan. ---&#62; Tooironic (talk) 22:03, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointer to the template. Unfortunately trying to redo existing entries with zh-new triggers an abuse filter (removing L3) otherwise I would fix the rest. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 22:46, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

good - taxonomy sense
I think this might be a bit too specific. I mean, one could talk, in computing, about a "good zip file" versus a bad, invalid or broken one. We don't have a sense at good that means "valid" (perhaps we should?) but we do have the sense "adequate; sufficient; not fallacious": doesn't that describe your taxon? Equinox ◑ 00:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I merged the definitions by attaching the quotation to the existing sense. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 11:21, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Gender for Carex sections
On mature consideration, I don't think there is a point to requiring gender for those section names, because they are not used with epithets that are supposed to agree with them. If the name is also used as a genus, eg, Carex (=) that does require gender on the inflection line. In many other instances of section names those names are also old genus names, so there is, in principle, a reason to include gender. DCDuring (talk) 23:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Flechtenbewohnend
Hi Vox. You created the entry Flechtenbewohnend. That's nice. Unfortunately, adjectives in German are usually written with the first letter in lower case.--2003:CF:3F1C:D8B9:41BA:376A:41BC:E2E 00:26, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You're right, I used the wrong spelling. I will ask for it to be moved.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 11:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

bridal wreath
What did you use as a source for asserting that Clematis brachiata and Deutzia crenata have that vernacular name? I'm always looking for such sources, though sometimes finding cites that agree with the source is hard. DCDuring (talk) 20:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that was when I was browsing "plants of the week" at http://pza.sanbi.org. I would take names from that site if I could confirm elsewhere.  I don't remember exactly where those two came from.  I did a burst of searching once I found there were several plants sharing the name.  You will find one hit for each name in sanbi.org: http://redlist.sanbi.org/species.php?species=2009-1 (Clematis brachiata) and page 249 of number 37 at http://biodiversityadvisor.sanbi.org/biodiversity-stewardship-resources-new/literature/4327-2/strelitzia/ (Deutzia).  But I don't think I relied on those two specific pages.  I will try to remember to leave quotations in the future, but sometimes they would be from companies who want to sell you flowers and I don't like to put advertising in citations.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 20:58, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've become increasingly suspicious of English vernacular names. We do ultimately want durably attested citations, so names/definitions that are not likely to get such should be avoided. As a shortcut I try to limit myself to vernacular names from dictionaries or from databases that source the vernacular names they report. WP, GRIN, FishBase, AviBase are examples. DCDuring (talk) 21:07, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Admin
Hey. You've obviously been winning Wiktionary recently. Fancy becoming a sysop so you can do your job even better? --Kriss Barnes (talk) 13:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I do not aspire to becoming an admin, which would mainly allow me to delete things. And I expect to have more non-Wiktionary demands on my time soon.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

choose sides
I think you were wrong to delete this from WT:REE. See, which shows that MWOnline, Fairlex, and McGraw-Hill find it idiomatic. DCDuring (talk) 18:48, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree your sense 2 is not a sum of parts. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 18:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We DO have many entries that are at least arguably SoP and would have many more if we responded to the many requests for them. I find that using OneLook is a way of discouraging many unwarranted deletions of both entries and requests for entries. Sometimes I put on the talk page when we don't have an entry to help with discouraging making entries for such terms. In any event keep up the good work. DCDuring (talk) 18:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

We sent you an e-mail
Hello ,

Really sorry for the inconvenience. This is a gentle note to request that you check your email. We sent you a message titled "The Community Insights survey is coming!". If you have questions, email surveys@wikimedia.org.

You can see my explanation here.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

My bad.
Thanks for doing that. I really need to remember to tag the entry/sense when I bring something to RfV... Tharthan (talk) 13:05, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

cancel culture vs. callout culture
You've added usage notes suggesting that these are near-synonymous. I'd disagree: "calling someone out" is scolding them for not being sufficiently woke (but not necessarily going any further), while "cancelling" is explicitly trying to deplatform somebody or get them removed, fired, or erased. Think parental nagging versus being written out of the will. Equinox ◑ 13:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Let me think about how to phrase it better. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 14:31, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

ξενομανία &c
Thanks for your contribution to our stock of Greek words. It would help us to ensure complete entries if you could add a 4th level heading "Declension" for nouns and adjectives (or "Conjugation" for verbs) with the additional line. This will flag up the need for an inflection table to be added. — Salt  marsh. 19:30, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Requesting new senses on requested entries pages
Hi,

User:Tetromino has added an additional sense for but please use TR for new senses. WT:RE:ru is used for Russian red or orange links only. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:39, 25 December 2020 (UTC)


 * That is not true. New senses can be requested on RE pages and frequently are. Equinox ◑ 01:41, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

syne pronunciation
Since you asked, the /əi/ diphthong looks weird Kilo Lima Mike (talk) 22:05, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I solved your request to add Spanish. What is the best way to report that I fulfilled the request? By the way, I was not amused to find that InSight Crime may have made up that word. I do not know it, nor do the few Salvadorans living in El Salvador I asked. And searching Salvadoran newspaper websites proved useless. Absent from the RAE's CREA too. But the word does seem to exist in a little writing by Mexicans.--Ser be être 是 talk/stalk 01:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've removed the word from the request page.  One way to notify a user that a word has been created is to mention the user in square brackets in the summary of the edit removing the request, "created muertear &#x5b;&#x5b;User:Vox Sciurorum&#x5d;&#x5d;".  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 02:13, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, great to know, with the ping template it might be even better.--Ser be être 是 talk/stalk 07:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Templates don't work in edit summaries, only links with square brackets. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:56, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

fırtına
My thoughts are the following. Move the detailed discussion to the Ottoman section for starters, and leave a very brief summary of the argument in the Turkish one (something along the lines of 'from fortuna as a special type as misfortune, namely the sea storm'). By the way, you're doing a very good job with the Ottoman, it glads me to see that the category pops up in my watchlist every day. Devlet-i aliyye-yi Osmaniyye'yi yeñiden hârika edelim! Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 21:28, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Affix delimiters
it does not categorize. In we have gone through the variants of presenting suffixes, to make sure everything works. The way to go is admittedly hard to foresee without having it read somewhere, but nonetheless we have approached it systematically: I wanted to make sure you are aware of the options, described in the linked discussion.

Arabic entries are special owing to a working system, and the fact that there are only two classical suffixes and else only transfixes anyway (which are not implemented). In some cases Persian suffixes hard-redirect suffixes with preceding kašida to page titles without kašida (usually created before the options were thought through). You might do that with Ottoman as well so the affix templates categorize; but as you might have seen from some of my Ottoman etymologies and entries I envisaged Ottoman to use the kašida character from the beginning even in page titles; so I moved ـسز from an old entry with ASCII hyphen, but you created -لك with ASCII hyphen. Sorry to be a few days late to notify, maybe I waited to see a pattern in your edits, as this notification is not trivial in formulation. Fay Freak (talk) 14:30, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointer. I changed my recent edits to have both page name and link text prefixed with U+0640 ARABIC TATWEEL based on my understanding of the Grease Pit discussion (which I had not seen or had not noticed).  I will go through my older edits later. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 18:12, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome back
We missed you during your leave ;) Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 17:03, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Jasper
I wonder: is jasp a Turkish word for jasper from the French word jaspe? --Apisite (talk) 02:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Not in any of the Turkish(/English, /French) dictionaries I checked, but it shows up listed as a synonym of in a couple places.  I think it is too rare to add.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 02:56, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

gunne, menkûs and a lot more
please don’t forget to put the obsolete or dated tag on many of the words you add for Turkish, because most of them are either not in use anymore or not even appear on vocabularies (like gunne). Afb2011 (talk) 13:55, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I put archaic or obsolete labels when I can determine the word is out of use (archaic) or unlikely to be recognized at all (obsolete), but I can't always tell.  appeared in a book published in 1985 so I assumed it was expected to be recognized by people educated after the language reform.  That book was a reprint of a 1940s edition and the new publisher must not have updated obsolete words.  I find contradictions and variation in use.  The conservative Yeni Akit still uses, which has the obsolete label, but in the more liberal Cumhuriyet it only appears capitalized in proper nouns.  I consult Turkish Wiktionary, but they only have the one label eskimiş and do not have our three way obsolete / archaic / dated distinction.  I welcome any advice on how to choose the right label.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 14:35, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

the ipa transcription for "demir yolu"
i'm not familiar with [í] and [ɔ] being Turkish phones. the açık e [ɛ] is wrong as well. can you enlighten me about how you decided on this transcription? Ali Sami Sayın (talk) 10:12, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * My contribution to that page was etymology. I do not add pronunciations for Turkish words.  The pronunciation for  was added by User:Sae1962 in 2013.  If you have a better pronunciation go ahead and edit the page.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:21, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Admin
Hello. Are you still uninterested in the admin function? If not, I (or someone else, if you prefer) can nominate you. Cheers, PUC – 19:22, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Vox Sciurorum, slayer of words, blocker of fools. It is tempting but I will pass for now.   Vox Sciurorum (talk) 16:34, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Duly noted. If you change your mind, let me know! PUC – 18:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)