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Greyjing
The entry you created seems to have been a protologism and has been deleted. If you are sure that it is a real word, please provide evidence of this word being used in durably archived media (mainly printed books, and usenet groups) as required by our inclusion criteria. For a term to be included, it must be used by at least three different authors, spaced in time by at least three years, and the authors must not explain the word's meaning. If you can find any such quotations, please add them to. --EncycloPetey 17:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Response to Concerns that Greyjing is a Protologism

For some reason, every time I try to create a definition for "Greyjing" it gets deleted, usually on the grounds that the word is a protologism. However, as I understand the relevant criteria for inclusion "Greyjing" would qualify as a neologism (and not a protologism):

"In contrast to protologisms, neologisms are words that have already been in public usage by authors other than their inventors. As soon as a protologism finds its way into newspapers and websites, journals and books, it becomes a neologism and merits a separate Wiktionary entry." Protologisms

In addition, I had understood the relevant time period to be one year (not three).

"Spanning at least a year: This is meant to filter out words that may appear and see brief use, but then never be used again. The one-year threshold is somewhat arbitrary, but appears to work well in practice." Criteria for inclusion

With respect to the widespread use of the word, set forth below are links to numerous sources:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/28/pollution.carbonemissions

http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKPEK26659020070807

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24123511-5014104,00.html

http://www.nj.com/olympics/index.ssf/2008/08/climbing_the_great_wall_of_chi.html

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/211733.html

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-07-29-beijing-mulls-emergency-plan-to-fight-pollution

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSPEK266590

http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2007/08/28/close_to_punching_a_ticket/

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=ed20bb38-5436-4cec-a76d-580c68d442b6&k=0

http://lateline.muzi.net/news/ll/english/10047741.shtml?cc=11623&ccr=11386&q=

http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MTM2MTQ0MDA5NA==

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=bd11f372-1a88-46d6-873f-c65f0206f907&k=15154&p=2

http://in.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idINIndia-28859320070807

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/china-faces-flak-as-olympics-countdown-begins/46366-5-23.html

WikiHK08 18:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Finding some citations is not enough. They must meed all of the citation criteria. Please review and address the WT:CFI criteria, which you have not addressed in this response. --EncycloPetey 18:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * My apologies. Set forth below is my attempt to address the CFI.  In preparing my response I have listed the relevant CFI and included an explanation of why I think the word satisfies the CFI in italics below. Please let me know if there are any that I have missed.


 * 1 General rule: A term should be included if it's likely that someone would run across it and want to know what it means.


 * Given the prominence of the Olympics, the growing importance of China globally, and the widespread use of the word, it's likely that someone would run across it and want to know what it means (I ran across the word in an article and wanted to know what it means, which prompted my intial post).


 * 1.1 “Terms” to be broadly interpreted


 * I don't think there's any doubt that Greyjing is a Term, but please let me know if you disagree.


 * 1.2 Attestation: “Attested” means verified through: (1) Clearly widespread use, (2) Usage in a well-known work, (3) Appearance in a refereed academic journal, or (4) Usage in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year.


 * ''The links to the articles above show that the word has been used in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances (eg, The Guardian, The National Post, Reuters, etc.) spanning at least a year (the first instance I found was early August 7, 2007).


 * 1.2.1 Conveying meaning


 * ''The use of the word in the various articles clearly conveys meaning (ie, Beijing and it's poor air quality and the impact it has on the health of athletes).


 * 1.2.2 Independence


 * ''The links to the articles referred to above demonstrate independence of use. You'll need to read the articles if you want to verify this.  It would not make sense for me to reproduce the full text of the articles here.


 * 1.2.3 Spanning at least a year


 * ''See, eg, the Reuters article linked above which used the term more than a year ago on August 7, 2007.


 * 1.3 Idiomaticity: An expression is “idiomatic” if its full meaning cannot be easily derived from the meaning of its separate components.


 * ''It would be difficult, if not impossible, to derive the full meaning of the term (ie, Beijing's poor air quality and the impact it has on the health of athletes competing in the city) from the meaning of it's separate components (ie, Grey and Beijing).


 * Again, please let me know if there are any criteria you think I missed. Many thanks for all your help.


 * WikiHK08 13:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)