User talk:Wuduweard

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"Earth and up-heaven"
I notice you're adding kennings/poetic formulas, so I have a suggestion for a useful entry you could make. The "earth and up-heaven" formula is attested in all Germanic languages where we have poetry; OHG, OE, OS, OIce., Runic Danish and Swedish. (You can find a comprehensive list in https://doi.org/10.1515/9783110431360-019) ᛙᛆᚱᛐᛁᚿᛌᛆᛌ ᛭ Proto-Norsing ᛭ Ask me anything 10:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestion! (The link to your list is paywalled, but I listed instances I managed to find myself below). I've actually considered this formula, but the problem with creating entries for it is that the words are rarely contiguous, and there isn't really a POS category for "Formula." I'm having trouble finding examples from runic databases. Only the Old Saxon example below is contiguous.
 * Old Norse
 * Vǫluspá 3 — Ár var alda þar er Ýmir bygði, / vara sandr né sær né svalar unnir, / jǫrð fannsk æva né upphiminn, / gap var ginnunga, en gras hvergi.
 * Þrymskviða 2 — Ok hann þat orða alls fyrst of kvað: / “Heyrðu nú, Loki, hvat ek nú mæli / er eigi veit jarðar hvergi / né upphimins: áss er stolinn hamri!”
 * Vafþrúðnismál 20 — Seg þú þat it eina, ef þitt æði dugir / ok þú, Vafþrúðnir, vitir, hvaðan jǫrð of kom / eða upphiminn fyrst, inn fróði jǫtunn.
 * Old English
 * Æcerbót 4 — Eorðan ic bidde and upheofon
 * Paris Psalter 75a-6b — Æt fruman þú, drihten, geworhtest / eorþan frætwe and upheofen
 * (Potentially connected: Christ & Satan 163a-6b — Éalá drihtenes þrym! Éalá duguða helm! / Éalá meotodes miht! Éalá middaneard! / Éalá dæg léohta! Éalá dréam godes! / Éalá engla þréat! Éalá upheofen!)
 * Old High German
 * Wessobrunner Prayer 2 — Dat ero ni was noh ûfhimil
 *  Old Saxon 
 * Hêliand 2886 — erðe endi uphimil wuduweard (talk) 07:17, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's the list from that source:
 * eorðan ic bidde | and upheofon
 * eorðan eallgrene | ond upheofon (Andreas v. 798)
 * eorþan mid hire beorgum | ond upheofon torhtne mid his tunglum (Christ v. 967–968)
 * ero ni uuas | noh ufhimil (Wessobrunner Prayer)
 * thit uueroldriki, ertha | endi upphimil (Heliand v. 2885–2886)
 * jǫrð fannsk æva | né upphiminn (Vǫluspá 3:5–6)
 * hvaðan jǫrð um kom | eða upphiminn | fyrst, inn fróði jǫtunn (Vafþrúðnismál 20:4–6)
 * er eigi veit | jarðar hvergi | né upphimins: | áss er stolinn hamri (Þrymskviða 2:5–7)
 * jǫrð dúsaði | ok upphiminn (Oddrúnargrátr 17:5–6)
 * iǫrð bið ec varða | oc upphimin (Ribe rune-stick)
 * iǫrð s[c]al rifna oc upphiminn (Skarpåker rune-stone)
 * ᛙᛆᚱᛐᛁᚿᛌᛆᛌ ᛭ Proto-Norsing ᛭ Ask me anything 14:47, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * eorðan ic bidde | and upheofon
 * eorðan eallgrene | ond upheofon (Andreas v. 798)
 * eorþan mid hire beorgum | ond upheofon torhtne mid his tunglum (Christ v. 967–968)
 * ero ni uuas | noh ufhimil (Wessobrunner Prayer)
 * thit uueroldriki, ertha | endi upphimil (Heliand v. 2885–2886)
 * jǫrð fannsk æva | né upphiminn (Vǫluspá 3:5–6)
 * hvaðan jǫrð um kom | eða upphiminn | fyrst, inn fróði jǫtunn (Vafþrúðnismál 20:4–6)
 * er eigi veit | jarðar hvergi | né upphimins: | áss er stolinn hamri (Þrymskviða 2:5–7)
 * jǫrð dúsaði | ok upphiminn (Oddrúnargrátr 17:5–6)
 * iǫrð bið ec varða | oc upphimin (Ribe rune-stick)
 * iǫrð s[c]al rifna oc upphiminn (Skarpåker rune-stone)
 * ᛙᛆᚱᛐᛁᚿᛌᛆᛌ ᛭ Proto-Norsing ᛭ Ask me anything 14:47, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! It still looks like it would be difficult to add this formula in full to Wiktionary given its format, but maybe I can make sure there are entries for upphiminn etc. with some of these quotations and mention the formula in usage notes. wuduweard (talk) 16:40, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm still relatively new to editing Wiktionary. Are terms with ellipses accepted, e.g. jǫrð… upphiminn? wuduweard (talk) 16:44, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I've been here for a year but never had to deal with the issue. I'll just advise you to be bold. ᛙᛆᚱᛐᛁᚿᛌᛆᛌ ᛭ Proto-Norsing ᛭ Ask me anything 10:27, 17 December 2021 (UTC)