Wiktionary:Information desk/2014/August

philandry
This is surely a non-word which has found its way here and needs to be deleted. Bjenks (talk) 07:16, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You can request verification here if you want, but I assure you it fits our criteria. It probably needs a label indicating its uncommonness though. — Ungoliant (falai) 08:38, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Spam blacklist hits
So I saw there is a log of spam blacklist hits...but how does this work, how is it configured? I happened upon this but it seems to have nothing on it.. User: PalkiaX50 talk to meh 13:21, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Special:AbuseFilter. (A URL blacklist would be quite ineffective at catching spam anyway.) — Keφr 15:33, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

HELP FOR MAKING AN INFLECTION BOT FOR TAGALOG
Hi I want to make an inflection bot for Tagalog. I understand the grammar very well, but I just don't understand how to make a bot for it. Can someone help me make it? It's very alright if you don't speak Tagalog, I can and I know how to conjugate verbs, so I'll just explain to whoever's willing to help me. Thank you very much in advanceǃ
 * Hi. You mean an inflection table like the one in kaino? What forms of Tagalog verbs should be listed? Could you please list all the forms of some example verbs, such as kain? Wyang (talk) 23:38, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Monkey selfie
It seems that the famous macaque selfie has become quite the bone of contention. It's been spreading very quickly across various Wikipedias and recently it ended up in selfie (below an astronaut). I dispute its relevance in a dictionary. Others disagree. Any regulars care to weigh in on the matter?

Peter Isotalo 18:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If it's a real selfie, then it's definitely relevant. But I think if we can find a human selfie it would be better. —CodeCat 19:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Images should show a typical example of the definiendum, not a rare and exceptional one. — Ungoliant (falai) 22:36, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Which is why we have an astronaut's selfie in the English section. — Keφr 11:09, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


 * There's a selection of four human selfies at talk:selfie if anyone feels like switching or adding one.
 * Peter Isotalo 19:49, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

New Mexico entry
Hi, in the IPA key of these words, there is a mistake, so I'd like to contribute. The stress is lacking between New and Mexico. I'm very thankful if you take it into account, please, because I'm Uruguayan and I'll be pleased if you accept my help. Bye

Ideas for recruiting Wiktionary contributions at a local edit-a-thon?
On August 24 there will be a Westchester County, NY edit-a-thon, principally for WP, of course. It is potentially a chance to increase exposure of Wiktionary to potential contributors and to reduce barriers to contribution. The focus is very local, which is not really a good fit with the core of what attestable language is about, but provides some entry points for Wiktionary. Toponyms seem like an obvious, though limited way of exemplifying entries, as do entries for local flora (taxonomic and vernacular names). I can try regional terms, referencing the Dictionary of American Regional English.

Does anyone have any other ideas? DCDuring TALK 23:24, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Editing "Tea room"
Previously I could edit Tea room, but now I seem not to be able to (no "Edit" links are displayed). I do seem to be able to edit dictionary entries -- well, certainly a couple I've tried recently have worked. I am a very sporadic contributor though. Any ideas about Tea room? 86.128.4.242 03:23, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Spanish words ending in -ion
The Spanish wiktionary list has no words ending in -ión that begin with b,j,k, q, s, t, u w, x, y, or z.

There exist, among others:

bifurcación justificación satisfacción tracción urbanización

Does anybody know -ion words that begin with k,q,w,x,y, or z?

Pleast tell me where to post this message if it is not correct here.

muthuri33

Don't know how to input a Chinese word with a pronunciation variant in Taiwan
Hi. I'm trying to change the pronunciation of the Chinese word "枯萎". It was originally labeled with the pronunciation ku1wei3, but that's the Beijing standard. The Taiwan standard is ku1wei1, but I don't know how to do it. I look at the edit column of words like "星期", another word that's pronounced differently in Beijing and Taiwan, and what they did is they just placed the character where the pronunciation's supposed to be, which I don't understand. Can someone please explain? Thanks
 * I don't know anything about the method used in 星期, but adding a comma followed by the second pinyin value seems to work fine. If you aren't sure something will work, you should use "preview" to make sure it's right before you save it- a module error is far worse than missing information. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:26, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Chuck Entz, I tried that but what it looked like was show the two pinyin pronunciations together. What I wanted to show, if you looked at the pronunciation section of 星期, the two pronunciations are separated from each other, one labeled Beijing and the other one labeled Taiwan. Maybe you have some idea of how to do that? Thanks. Oh yeah just wondering, when you typed your response, did you type the logged time and date or it was generated by Wiktionary? Because my response doesn't seem to show the date and time


 * Fixed. Wyang (talk) 00:47, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

How to use without generating a link
I am trying to add some alternative forms of Persian words with a tashdid/shadda. I am using the template, but in fact I don't want to link to the form with a tashdid because it should not have an entry according to current practice. For example, I would like to add as an alternative form of, but without a link. Can I stop the template from making a link? Is there a better template to use, or perhaps I don't need any template at all? Thanks for any help. Kaixinguo (talk) 12:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You can put the term in the next parameter: rather than  (or  rather than ). —CodeCat 12:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the help; it worked.Kaixinguo (talk) 12:50, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Latin Noun declensions
Why does Wiktionary list Latin noun forms in such a peculiar order, it's most confusing when trying to look something up. Every Latin grammar I've ever seen, and always when learning Latin at school, lists Noun inflections in the order Nominative, Vocative, Accusative, Genitive, Dative, Ablative. Why be different? Is it a deliberate ploy to confuse?
 * I would prefer the cases to be in that order as well. Listing accusative and vocative where they are now makes no sense to me. —CodeCat 14:46, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Precedent is often set by the most adventurous rather than the most knowledgeable. The first step in responding to your guidance would be to calculate the number of entries that might require correction (to balance scale, value, & priority). Next, choose a technology/process to implement the change. Next, decide whether it is worth the effort to the decider or implementer. If so, develop/gather the needed resources. Publish the requirement/policy. Do it.--173.79.123.2 22:35, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I couldn’t agree more. The order of declensions hurts me every day. I wish there were a way to customise it per-user, rather than to try to impose a universal new ordering on people. Someone out there must, for some reason, have liked the current bizarre case order, so I say let users have their own choice. I forget whether other languages suffer from this same malady too, beyond Latin. I note that the date of the earlier posts is 2014. I write this in 2022 now and nothing has happened ? Is there a way that I could recruit some helpers to implement a per-user preference thing? I think that it would need to be done in Javascript, which is not one of my languages. But something to pick up the relevant structures and reorder the DOM according to a per-user setting "Nom|Voc|Acc|Gen|Dat|Abl|Loc". It should be possible to make the JS general enough to handle other languages and maybe even non-IE languages such as Uralic, as the above case-ordering vector - or a better string representation - could be made into a very general mapping. Any offers of help much appreciated CecilWard (talk) 16:29, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Conjugations wrong for хлебать
Hello, The conjugation table for хлебать has been replaced with the one for делать, for some reason.
 * Thanks, think it is fixed now. Wyang (talk) 11:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both! It was a copy/paste problem. (I have changed the past tense passive participle to хлёбанный, this is often unpredictable or missing in various verb types). --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:30, 28 August 2014 (UTC)