Wiktionary:Requests for cleanup

__NEWSECTIONLINK__

= February 2016 =

Entries in Rhymes:Romanian
After last night's controversy over Rhymes:Romanian/abilitate, which Equinox thankfully deleted, I have been going through this category and discovered that the user who contributed, has made a lot of errors. E.g.:


 * Categorisation is wrong. For instance, Rhymes:Romanian/e is placed in an inexistent category named Romanian rhymes/e and this tends to happen to every page in the category Rhymes:Romanian. I compared it to Rhymes:French and it doesn't happen there.
 * The category Rhymes:Romanian is a mess – among the many problems, we have for instance Rhymes:Romanian/easkɘ: Romanian doesn't have IPA ɘ. Also, the user who added these categories misinterpreted "rhyming with..." as meaning "words ending with..." which was proven last night after the Rhymes:Romanian/abilitate debacle.

If anyone is up to the task, please feel free to do so or let me know how I should go about making corrections. --Robbie SWE (talk) 10:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)


 * (See also Information_desk/2021/October) Is the idea that we eventually delete the Rhymes: namespace? If so, I would be willing to go around and add the correct template to the articles and remove them from the Rhymes: namespace. Two questions:
 * Is the ro.wikt IPA data reliable? I haven't come across any mistakes thus far.
 * The rhyme is the the stressed nucleus and everything onwards, right?
 * --Fytcha (talk) 14:25, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow, don't even remember writing this! I'm afraid I'm not that familiar with the discussion about rhyme pages or the decision taken by the community. As for ro.Wiktionary IPA, it is for the most part correct. I'm no expert on rhymes so it's best to ask someone who deals with them regularly. Robbie SWE (talk) 17:46, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will try to figure the things out with rhymes (this can take some time; I've already asked in two places and have gotten no answer in either) and then see what I can do with this category. Fytcha (talk) 19:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @Fytcha Yes, there has been a desire to delete the rhymes namespace in favour of the categories: . At least in English, yes, rhymes consist of the stressed vowel and everything following. I assume it is the same for other languages. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 05:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, this comment of mine above is from the time when I was new to Wiktionary. As for Rhymes:Romanian, I think it's easiest to just delete it entirely including all subpages (and preserve the red and yellow links to WT:Requested_entries_(Romanian)), I'll (hopefully) take care of IPA and rhymes within Romanian articles eventually. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 13:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

= January 2017 =

haldinn
Icelandic. The current definition "held" and the example sentences seem to have nothing to do with each other. DTLHS (talk) 16:57, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * WF left a message on my talk page asking about these a while back. The phrases used in the examples are real collocations/idioms (see here and here for dictionary definitions). Þungt haldinn seems pretty common but I can only find a couple of hits for vera haldinn skemmdarfýsn [ (top right p.22) and  (bottom left p.5)]. They're definitely not the best usage examples for haldinn either way. [[User:BigDom|Big]]Dom 11:55, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

= April 2017 =

Chitral
English. [may also be of interest to editors in Urdu. This, that and the other (talk) 09:07, 20 April 2022 (UTC)] Definitions are too long and the translations section may need examination. —suzukaze (t・c) 03:13, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * We've had these issues for so long that the Chitral District (mentioned in sense 1) has split into upper and lower districts in the meantime. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 06:27, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Senses 2 and 3 have since been shortened significantly, and IMO sense 1 is not too long. &mdash; excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 00:25, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Appendix:Zulu given names
This list was created a few months ago by someone with apparently little knowledge of Zulu. In Zulu, all nouns, including names, must have a noun prefix in front of them, but it's lacking for these, which makes the list of relatively little lexicographical use. Any idea what to do with it? —CodeCat 23:33, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say it's of little lexicographical use. It seems like the content is correct, so I'd add a note at the top about how it's very inexhaustive and the form of the prefix that names have when used in Zulu, and leave it at that. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:37, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Except that I don't know the prefix. Normally, it would be class 1a (prefix ), as you probably know, but there's some names beginning with vowels and Zulu doesn't allow two vowels to be adjacent in native vocabulary. In theory, the prefix would become a consonant before a vowel-initial word, so is an attested name? Modern loans use hyphens instead, so I guess  is another possibility. I have no idea. —CodeCat 23:41, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The u-Amahle version is what is actually used in Zulu. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:49, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I found some results for too but whether they're names, I don't know. —CodeCat 00:06, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

One should also consider that the noun prefixes would only apply to languages that use them. (A super-obvious forest that seems to be missed for the trees of Zulu-ness.) These are the names as they would be used in many other languages that either don't have noun prefixes on names or use different ones. By stripping these down to the bare name, they are far more useful and less confusing. The noun prefix could be covered in a simple sentence: "When speaking Zulu, all the names would have the noun prefix 'u-' but this might not be a part of the name in other languages." Rather like the "o-" for female Japanese names at one point. So someone stopping by here from NaNoWriMo won't come to the conclusion that all their Zulu characters must have names beginning with U in their novel written in English, Spanish, or Mandarin.

-TŁÉÉʼ
Navajo. I can't even find the senses among those huge tables. Moreover, the senses are not marked with # in the wikitext. —CodeCat 19:10, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

-TŁʼIIZH
Navajo. Not as bad as the one above, but there's still a giant table in the place reserved for senses. Also, "stem set" is not an allowed section. —CodeCat 19:12, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * "Stem set" is the way Navajo roots change depending on mode and aspect. It is not a "conjugation" table in the standard meaning of it, but if you feel it better fits the practices here, I can make that change.


 * Then, regarding the "huge" table, it is how the Navajo vocabulary is built up, around roots to which various preffixes are added. In many Navajo verb pages, a lot of information is duplicated from verb to verb belonging to the same root. It is a lot more efficient and genuine to the language to gather this info inside a "root" page. This saves the burden to add to each verb their related verbs. See for instance yoołmas, haiłmáás, neiłmaas in their "related terms" section.


 * Then, a group of such verbs comes usually in a number of predefined "categories", as motion, successive, operative.. depending on the set of prefixes that the roots can take (for instance, yoołbąs, haiłbąąs, neiłbąąs follows the same pattern as the examples cited above).


 * In the same way a Indo-European root page just lists the descendant terms in the daughter languages, in the Navajo root pages I just list the verbs, arranged by sense, theme, transitivity and "category". (The only difference being that the Navajo root is not a reconstructed root, it's a lexical root).


 * I believe that for learners of the Navajo language these are of great help since it helps structuring the lexicon.


 * The one issue I had I admit is that the # sign doesn't work when I have multiple submeanings with verb tables inbetween them.


 * What do you propose I do? I'm pinging Stephen because I'd like to get his input in that matter too. Julien Daux (talk) 20:34, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * We have pages for roots of attested languages (Category:Roots by language), that's not really an issue. They are treated like any other morpheme. For Proto-Indo-European, though, we list terms derived from a root under "Derived terms". There's nothing in principle against there being a table under "Derived terms" instead of a list, and I think it is a better location than right underneath each sense.
 * As for stem sets, if it's not a conjugation table, then I assume that these would be considered separate verbs, am I correct? If so, then the situation resembles that of Proto-Indo-European as well, which also had various ways to derive stems for aspects. We list those under "Derived terms" also. See for example. Would such a format work for Navajo? —CodeCat 20:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Stem sets are not separate verbs, and if anything, are closer to a conjugation. For instance, yoołmas, yiłmáás, neiłmaas, all mean "he is rolling it", but the first one is progressive aspect (he rolls it along), the second is momentaneous (he is rolling it ), the third one is continuative (he is rolling it about). The difference is in the stem : -mas,-máás,-maas. Then each of these verbs can be conjugated for mode (imperfective, perfective, future...). Then many of these verbs can then take on lexical (non-aspectual) prefixes (just like English "to roll", "to roll up", "to roll out"...), like haiłmáás (he is rolling it out horizontally). That's why the notion of theme is so central to Athabaskan languages, because behind a given lexical verb actually hide multiple segments of somewhat predictable meaning, combining meaning, mode, aspect and lexical derivation. (sorry if that I'm not being clear enough).
 * Based on these premises, that's why I wanted to have the derived verbs right below each senseid, because the verbs are the incarnations of the themes. A meaning listed without actual verbs doesn't really make sense to me. I could move this to the derived section, but then it would be weird for the synonym section to come before the "derived" terms, because the derived terms are the root itself and a way to define it. And doing this would also make it very repetitive and not synoptic enough. Unless I'm allowed to have "derived terms" before "synonyms", and that I skip senses altogether? Julien Daux (talk) 22:18, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I haven't really ever dealt with these languages but I'm trying to understand. If you consider what you might call a "whole" verb, with all of its forms, what is included in this? Would you consider, and  to be different forms of a single verb? Why or why not? —CodeCat 22:29, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * This is a very good question, and actually this is the central question of all Athabaskan linguistics. Verb mechanism in these languages is so foreign that trying to define it in terms of European linguistics necessarily leads to some categorizations and views that don't belong to it.
 * The lexicographic "tradition" in Navajo is to consider,  and  as separate "verbs", just like "gain" / "regain" or "perceive" / "receive" are in English, even though the first pair is a predictable derivation and the second much less so. This also fits the definition by which these are the bare shape before any inflection for person, tense or mode is added. Anything that remains after removing person, tense or mode is considered a verb (in Wiktionary and in all Navajo dictionaries). This definition is workable because first this how native speakers feel it (they actually explicitly told Young and Morgan after a survey to arrange their 1980 dictionary by lexical verbs rather than per root), and also because as in any language, some unpredictable or specialized meanings sometimes emerge from these lexical verbs, so it means they can clearly stand on their own (for instance  means "it floats up out", but can also mean "it (a baby) is miscarried, aborted". No other verb derived from this root has this specialized meaning).
 * Now, other views have emerged in the 1970 that the "real" verbal unit is not the verb (like ), not the root (like, which can occur in various actual meanings, like "to roll" but also "to be spherical", not that far semantically, but some other roots do have much more disparateness), but the theme, which is the combination of : a root, a thematic prefix compound (possibly null), a thematic classifier (possibly null) and a category (motion, stative, successive, operative....). It is a virtual unit, whose awareness to Navajo native speakers still need to be tested, but whose explanatory power is enormous, and articulates the entire lexicon. James Kari was one of the first to investigate that route with the Alaskan Ahtna language. No such work has ever been carried out for Navajo, even though the reality of themes is a striking overarching phenomenon.
 * A theme is for instance "Ø + Ø + (motion)" (to roll) or "ʼa + ni + Ø +  (motion)" (to stagger) (you'll agree that that would be weird to have pages named so on Wiktionary, but that's how the paper dictionary of Tlingit is construed). Like many motion themes, these themes can combine with the lexical derivation "ná + di + yi + Momentaneous aspect" (to start to...), to give the following lexical verbs: "ńdiimáás" (to start to roll), "ná + ʼa + di + ni + yi + Ø + mom(TʼIʼ)"  = "ńdíʼníitʼééh" (to start to wobble). The question being, can all motion themes accept this derivational prefix? Skimming through Young's dictionary, one can notice that many such combinations are missing from his dictionary, raising the question whether this combination can be freely formed or if it is lexical constrained. Until one finds this out, it better to consider each of these lexical verbs as separate lexical units as opposed to the result of a productive derivational process.
 * Making a break there :). Julien Daux (talk) 00:04, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow, ok. It seems, then, that Navajo verbs are quite similar to Proto-Indo-European ones, in that you have a root that can serve as the basis for one or more aspect stems, whose existance is unpredictable (not every root has every aspect) and whose meaning can also be idiosyncratic. However, I'm not quite clear on why it's necessary to list verbs by sense. The meaning of each verb is determined by the aspect/mood isn't it? —CodeCat 00:19, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, two things: 1. I needed one place where to list the verbs belonging to the same theme instead of the copied-pasted list found at the end of each verb entry. 2. Showing the actual possible verbs demonstrates the theme's well-foundedness and also shows places where expected forms would be missing. Also because just listing a root and a theme (like a+ni+Ø+T'I') is way too abstract to be useful to anyone. This was actually the first draft I came up with when I started creating pages for root, and after a couple of these, I saw how useless and disconnected from reality it was. See for instance that I didn't have time to reformat.
 * (Keep in mind that when I'm showing 12 derived verbs in a given theme, there can actually be close to 100 in reality...).
 * One thing that is in my plate is also to create Wiktionary categories for each theme, like "Navajo verbs derived from the theme X". Currently, the verb entries do not show their appartenance to a theme, the Etymology section just lists the prefixes, but doesn't distinguish between those that are thematic from those that are derivational. Julien Daux (talk) 00:45, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I suppose that "huge table" refers to the theme/classifier tables. The tables look good to me. The Stem sets are important, and that's what they're called. I can't think of a better way to do them. Maybe the Stem sets could be reduced to mere bolded lines, placed under a headline such as ====Usage notes====. Not a very good solution, but if we're going to shoehorn Navajo stem sets into a format intended for English, it might work:

Usage notes

 * Stem set
 * —Stephen (Talk) 02:26, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

= May 2017 =

upgrade
English. Verb entries 2 and 3 doesn't seem clearly differentiated. Entry 1 talks about technology, but seems to refer to hardware. Only entry 3 is labeled as computing, though all seem tech-related. It seems to me that the example phrase at entry 2 fits better under entry 3. --SentientBall (talk) 04:16, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see that there is any transitive use of upgrade that is computing-specific. Differentiating transitive and intransitive use is a good first step in improving the entry, perhaps along the lines of MWOnline's:
 * transitive verb
 * to raise or improve the grade of: such as
 * a: to improve (livestock) by use of purebred sires
 * b: to advance to a job requiring a higher level of skill especially as part of a training program
 * c: to raise the quality of
 * d: to raise the classification and usually the price of without improving the quality
 * e: to extend the usefulness of (something, such as a device)
 * f: to assign a less serious status to upgraded the patient's condition to good
 * intransitive verb
 * to improve or replace especially software or a device for increased usefulness
 * DCDuring (talk) 18:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I've added a missing noun sense, an adverb PoS section, transitive/intransitive labels, some new verb senses, some citations and usage examples. Senses a and f from MWOnline are clearly needed. I'm not as sure about b-e. DCDuring (talk) 19:16, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Διόνυσος
Ancient Greek. I was asked to put a notice here. The etymology is poorly written; it needs to be formatted and more easier to read. I am not an expert on Greek, but I have an interest on that language. TatCoolBoy (talk) 02:57, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

malware
English. Someone has been replacing translations that are direct borrowings from English (i.e. the word malware in other languages) with other terms. I have checked the three Portuguese translations they added and found that is much more common (about 5 times) than the most common of them, and the other two are quite rare.

I suspect that they’ve done the same thing to translations in other languages. — Ungoliant (falai) 13:09, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Removals were done by Special:Contributions/83.20.240.115 here. —Stephen (Talk) 13:50, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I have cleaned up the translations a bit and restored those borrowed terms. --2A00:F41:4860:4FD7:3411:839:4F7D:67C2 19:29, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your efforts and your participation in this discussion anon, but I feel that there are still some issues with your edits:
 * you have reintroduced the rare term software mal-intencionado, writing that it is “used by Microsoft in Brazil”; however, even in Microsoft’s website this term is significantly less common than malware;
 * the regional qualifiers you added to software malicioso and software mal-intencionado are absolutely incorrect; both (including software mal-intencionado, despite its rarity) are used in Brazil and Portugal;
 * you added the qualifier Anglicism to several translations and as a label in the definitions; surely that’s information that belongs in the etymology sections of their respective entries, not in the translation table.
 * — Ungoliant (falai) 20:05, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I've just corrected it. Please take a look.
 * As for software mal-intencionado, it does seem to be used by Microsoft as a translation of malicious software quite commonly. You can verify that here: https://www.microsoft.com/Language/en-US/Search.aspx --2A00:F41:4860:4FD7:3411:839:4F7D:67C2 20:27, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

malware
IP users (maybe the same person) have made a number of sum of parts entries in various languages, which are translations of the English malware. I 'ed some of them. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 12:50, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it seems to be the same person. They seem to be working off of some source with the translations of PC/Computer terms into a wide variety of languages- I'm guessing something put out by Microsoft. Since they don't know most of the languages, they can't tell if the terms are idiomatic. The entry at malware seems to have been their initial and main focus, but they've been working on the whole range of terminology relevant to PC operating systems and software.
 * I brought up the subject of their edits here in March with a concern that they were editing in so many languages that they couldn't possibly know all of them. You confirmed that their edits seemed to be accurate, and the discussion was archived to User talk:Anth2943. That account has since been renamed, so it's now User talk:Deletedarticle. There have been a series of edits blanking the page and others reverting the blanking, but for the moment you can see the archived discussion there. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:03, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

words ambiguously defined as "dinner"
These words define themselves as "dinner", which can mean either "midday meal", "evening meal", or "main meal of the day, regardless of when it's eaten". Can you clarify which sense is meant if you know any of these languages? (A few entries define themselves as "lunch, dinner" or "dinner, supper", but I can't tell if the second word is intended as a synonym or an indication the word refers to both the midday and evening meals. Some entries are homographic with words meaning "evening", but that doesn't ensure they mean "evening meal", compare !) Strike through words you've done. - -sche (discuss) 04:49, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * dinnéar
 * jantar
 * jinnair
 * long'
 * pranzu
 * päivällinen
 * pāʻina
 * unnukkorsiutit
 * àm-tǹg
 * вечера
 * вячэраць
 * дэшхын
 * обед
 * обеденный
 * обід
 * обѣдъ
 * оройн хоол
 * павячэраць
 * поужинать
 * ручати
 * ճաշ
 * սպաս
 * ארוחת ערב
 * تعشى
 * شام
 * عشا
 * عشاء
 * غدا


 * What makes this one special? This kind of problem is so widespread that we could use some kind of automation to at least assist in identifying all the deficient FL definitions.
 * Don't we have (or  or whatever its real name is) for this? If not, we should create a template that addresses this specific kind of problem. DCDuring (talk) 15:30, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * An inspection of the number of entries in Category:Requests for clarification of definitions by language shows the very modest level of use of these templates. DCDuring (talk) 15:52, 18 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I've tracked down references on, and clarified, a few more. - -sche (discuss) 05:49, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * All remaining tagged with rfclarify. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 16:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Arbi
Albanian. Should the common noun sense be lowercase? Compare Arbër, arbër? (Also, will whatever bot adds reach these at some point?) - -sche (discuss) 19:29, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

という
Japanese. It's a mere stub. —suzukaze (t・c) 04:51, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Also, do we want this entry? Can't this be analysed as just と+言う? (although, it is present in other dictionaries.) —suzukaze (t・c) 06:36, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I see it also in dictionaries, and that puzzles me -- this doesn't strike me as particularly lexicalized, it's just +.
 * @Shinji, are we missing something? Do you view this as more than just SOP?  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 09:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * How about making it a redirect? Daijisen has an entry for [//dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/154743/meaning/m0u/という/ という], but the content is repeated in the entry of いう. という is special in that it can have a pause before it, but it is rather a characteristic of the particle . — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 02:16, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Years ago, I co-authored a paper about the use of って versus と, and found that という patterns somewhat differently from other verbs (と思、と考える, etc.) in terms of colocations. Still, it certainly seems SoP in all the ways that normally matter for a dictionary entry. Cnilep (talk) 04:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

という, when used as a phrase, it is used to apply names onto nouns (something like N という N) which basically means N called N. But if used as と+いう, it is used to quote. TNMPChannel (talk) 08:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

= June 2017 =

Entries in Category:en:Language families
English. Language family names are generally both adjectives and nouns. But some of the entries here contain only an adjective definition, while others contain only a noun. Would anyone be willing to sort these out? —CodeCat 16:11, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Wiktionary:About Han script
Out-of-date. —suzukaze (t・c) 17:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

= July 2017 =

ÿ
Translingual. Maybe this definition should be distributed into the appropriate language sections. —suzukaze (t・c) 03:51, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Of interest to editors in: Dutch. Afrikaans. French. (adding dots for Ctrl+F convenience) This, that and the other (talk) 10:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

= August 2017 =

Module:kaa-translit
Transliteration modules created by a user banned for making bad edits to transliteration modules. —suzukaze (t・c) 03:59, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

(None of them are in use.) —suzukaze (t・c) 10:00, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Some of these are still problematic., fancy fixing them? —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 09:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have struck the ones that have been overhauled since. Maybe the rest should just be deleted? &mdash; surjection &lang;??&rang; 21:49, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure if pings to IPs work, but who has cleaned up several of these modules. Are they correct and worth keeping? Or nonsense and to be deleted? This, that and the other (talk) 10:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I cleaned those modules include sty-translit, uum-translit, dlg-translit, kim-translit, kaa-translit. and all the modules transliteration based on the omniglot transliteration. and I deleted letter that aren't existing omniglot or dictionary.
 * and That's languages module and letter are correct.
 * Please confirm my modified module. 118.216.30.67 19:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

English. I have created a new entry for, and found some translations under. I would transfer them, but they appear to be a bit of a mess. DonnanZ (talk) 17:44, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The translation boxes at don't look messy to me (four years later). Do you have a reason to doubt the division of translations between the two senses? Is there anything left to do here? This, that and the other (talk) 10:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I was referring to translations for movie cameras, not cameras in general. There also seems to be confusion between movie cameras and video cameras. I don't think the situation in 2017 has changed much. DonnanZ (talk) 09:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see you want a clearer distinction between the different types of moving picture cameras. This, that and the other (talk) 09:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking at the translations given for "movie camera" also makes me wonder whether many languages have a word for it - many just mean "camera". DonnanZ (talk) 10:03, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Advaita
English. First definition:
 * 1) A Sanskrit philosophical term that may be literally rendered in English as nonduality: denoting that though differences and variegation appear in the human condition they are unreal or illusory and are not ultimately true.

This is supposed to be an English-language entry, not a Sanskrit one, and the wording smells of teaching Enlightenment to the ignorant. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:32, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

㑳
Chinese. —suzukaze (t・c) 05:16, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

一本
Japanese. Is "numeral" really the right way to describe this? —suzukaze (t・c) 06:31, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No, "SOP" is a much better description- unless you think we should have entries like "四十三本"... Either delete it, or use &lit like the Chinese section already does. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:19, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

. —Suzukaze-c (talk) 07:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * A numeral with a counter is traditionally classified as a numeral. See 数詞 on Daijisen. “SOP” is not a lexical class, so it’s irrelevant here. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 09:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * In English terms, any numeral + counter = noun. Consider "one pair", "two braces", "three sets", etc.
 * I've had an initial go at a cleanup. The entry still needs more work, including many senses yet missing from our page.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 19:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

= October 2017 =

Duckburg
English. Leaving aside the question of whether the proper-noun sense meets the requirements of WT:FICTION, this entry has a translation table full of terms in languages the sole editor of the entry doesn't speak, including Gothic. That's right- Gothic. Even scarier, some of the translations are bluelinks- because that same editor has been creating entries in languages they don't speak for a term that probably doesn't meet CFI. Chuck Entz (talk) 08:03, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * And what exactly should be cleaned up? Should t (in TERM ) be changed into t-check? The German translation for example is correct, so it could be changed back to t. Whether or not the German term or any other translations meets WT:FICTION should be a matter of WT:RFVN to decide. -84.161.12.35 09:58, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Update: The term passed an RFV that was opened the same day as this discussion, suggesting it does meet WT:FICTION's requirements. &mdash; excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 07:27, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Jeames
English. Someone asked me on my talk page to clean this up. I don't really know what to do with it. Equinox ◑ 23:53, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

"The same character appeared" - which character? Charles James Yellowplush is the purported author and the servant was a living guy. "character" seems to refer to Charles James Yellowplush as if he is the purported author and the character in his story, but IMHO it's not so clear.
 * Looking at User talk:Equinox, it doesn't seem like someone asked you on your user page: user page's first post is from 20zh November 2017, post above from 12th October.
 * The etymology seems to be copied from it's source (Adrian Room, Dictionary of Pseudonyms, 5th ed., p. 518, s.v. C.J. Yellowplush). Is it a copyright violation?
 * "used this name" - which name? The source makes it clear by the dictionary entry: The pseudonym C.J. Yellowplush.
 * -80.133.98.186 04:27, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Category:en:Anatomy
English. A lot of entries here would be better placed in Category:en:Body parts or its subcategories. —Rua (mew) 14:11, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Will this be done or not? Ffffrr (talk) 06:04, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems like a good idea to me, but a fair bit of work. Why don't you do it? —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 06:06, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure, but was any criteria decided for where to place some of the terms? Ffffrr (talk) 06:11, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The main criterion is the difference between set categories and topical categories: set categories contain things that are examples of the kind of things named in the category titles. Thus, terms for body parts go in Category:en:Body parts. Topical categories contain terms about the topics named in the category titles. Terms that belong in Category:en:Anatomy are used when discussing the subject of anatomy. The blurring of the distinction has long been one of Rua's pet peeves.
 * Short answer: if it's the term for a body part, it goes in Category:en:Body parts or its subcategories. That would include arm, leg, spleen, skin, bones, islets of Langerhans, blood, endocrine system, serotonin, etc. Adjectives and other terms about anatomy stay in Category:en:Anatomy: axial, cardiac, cerebral, hepatic, as well as nephrology, innervation, splenotomy,etc.Chuck Entz (talk)

Category:en:Pathology
English. A lot of entries here would be better placed in Category:en:Diseases or Category:en:Disease. —Rua (mew) 14:16, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

It seems this user quit, so I don’t know what will be done Ffffrr (talk) 06:07, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Etymologies by User:Rajkiandris
They're formatted incorrectly and aren't actually etymologies, all they do is mention a Finnish cognate. They do this even if said Finnish cognate has an entry on the same page with a proper etymology. It seems to me like they just don't want to put any effort in but would rather leave it for someone else to clean up. —Rua (mew) 16:03, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * , if you haven't noticed. I'm not sure anyone else has the expertise needed to clean these up. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 06:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I've noticed, yes. My workflow on cleaning up the minor Finnic languages goes usually through checking up from Proto-Finnic entries once they've been sourced, though, so that may take a while before it hits all of these "naturally". I've barely even started the initial source literature scan (going on at User:Tropylium/Finnish inherited vocabulary).
 * This also makes me wonder if a database dump search for Etymology sections that do not use any of our etymology templates (,, , , etc.) might be worthwhile at some point. Maybe after our eternity project to depreciate  finishes… --Tropylium (talk) 12:47, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * This user is still highly active, although they seem to have moved on from adding Finnish cognates. I'm not sure whether the bigger challenge here is cleaning up the entries or finding those which need to be cleaned up., would you perhaps consider reviewing your own edits from 2017 and addressing the issues mentioned here? This, that and the other (talk) 10:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Rajkiandris in case my ping above didn't work. See ^^ This, that and the other (talk) 10:15, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I can take these as a project - I think it should be a reasonable task to scan through all Finnic and Uralic languages, find all pages linking to a Finnish or (Proto-)Finnic cognate that do not have anything else of value and add some details. I'll gather a list on User:Surjection/rajkiandris-uralic-etystub-cleanup tomorrow and start working on the list once I have it. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 19:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Surjection If it isn't too much work (and no worries if it is), would it please be possible to create a list of these by language? I know there are a large number that need cleaning up in small languages with no/few editors. They've left a big mess in Mongolian, Buryat and Kalmyk, not to mention some Tungusic languages as well. Theknightwho (talk) 00:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * My earlier process didn't involve checking whether the etymologies were added by Rajkiandris, just for a specific pattern he liked adding. i don't know whether that applies to Mongolic languages as well. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 06:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

absolute superlative
English. This entry is a confusing mess. The formatting issues are just the beginning; the real issue is that the definitions are actually just a collection of examples from various languages. As noted in the talk page, the concept of absolute superlative should be language independent; its definition should be something like: A significant feature of absolute superlatives is that some languages use different inflections for the absolute and comparative cases. Accordingly, it is reasonable to still include some language examples in that context.
 * 1) An adjective form indicating a quality expressed to the greatest possible extent, in contrast to the comparative superlative, which instead indicates a quality expressed to the greatest extent within some specific context.

As an additional observation, I think the Romanian examples are actually just intensifying adverbs, not absolute superlative forms. Wikipedia provides a different explanation using the adverb phrase cel mai and related forms. ―Rriegs (talk) 05:10, 28 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Formatting should be slightly improved now, but that doesn't address the real problems. The current senses maybe are better as usage notes in foreign entries; e.g. the Romanian sense could be put into an Romanian entry (if the statement is accurate). -80.133.98.186 03:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

=November 2017=

Template:enm-verb
Middle English. This template is basically a copy of an old version of, and is woefully inadequate for Middle English. Middle English verbs have many more forms than just the ones given in this template. There should be a proper inflection table. —Rua (mew) 16:22, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The Middle English templates in general could really use some love. Some templates just don't exist where useful ModEnglish varieties do (e.g., as well as a number of grammatical boxes such as personal pronouns)); in others a number of factors make ME more complicated than English (some adjectives having plural forms in addition to the typical comparative and superlative forms.)  I'm fairly new so I don't know how templates are born or altered here (or even whether this discussion belongs in RFC as opposed to the Grease Pit), but it would make a huge difference if someone could update and expand the Middle English templates. --SanctMinimalicen (talk) 14:30, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Overall our Middle English entries vary wildly in quality once you read past the etymology. A lot of entries wrongly list Modern English inflections or use raw head, probably because they were added by English editors (like me) who have no idea what the correct inflections should be. Of course, the whole language is a bit of a mess from a modern standpoint thanks to its many dialects and utterly chaotic spelling. But fixing up the headword-line templates would help to restore some confidence in our ME coverage. This, that and the other (talk) 10:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

= January 2018 =

Contributions of Special:Contributions/98.113.14.63
In other technical details besides IP range, this IP is a perfect match to, and indeed shows the same indiscriminate, high-volume and diverse editing- They seem to be adding translations in just about any language they can think of. Given that יבריב was blocked for making crappy edits in languages they don't know, this makes me very nervous. Depending on the source(s) they've been vacuuming up, their edits could very well range from ok to horribly, horribly wrong.

These need to be checked, but I don't have the expertise to do it myself. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 04:39, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

pug
English. Etymology 1 needs further splitting - these do not have the same etymology. --Gente como tú (talk) 13:00, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I split off a few of the definitions which come from a common source, and added another sense with its own etymology. Etymology 1 still needs further work clarifying origins. --SanctMinimalicen (talk) 23:52, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. — Sgconlaw (talk) 17:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Si
English. (relevant to Chinese. This, that and the other (talk) 10:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)) Poor etymology formatting, dubious pronunciation. —suzukaze (t・c) 04:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/131.164.141.148
Are these edits good or bad? - -sche (discuss) 23:28, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This user made less than 100 contributions, mainly to Scanian (gmq-scy) and Franc-Comtois (roa-fcm). Anyone heard of able to help with these languages? This, that and the other (talk) 10:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

cps.
German entry, but abbreviating a Latin term. At the momemt it's mis-categorised because of Category:Latin abbreviations. Properly, would need two language parameters to produce "Abbreviation of [Latin] " with category Category:German abbreviations. Should the abbreviation template be replaced by text and the category be added manually? -84.161.53.59 16:48, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, does the German really have all of the meanings listed for Latin ? I would guess not, in which case we should list the meaning(s) it has as a German term at cps.. The term's Latin origin is etymological info, so it should be in the etymology. We need someone who knows how the German term is actually used. &mdash; excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 17:26, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

this way
English. No OneLook reference has even a redirect let alone an entry for this, but we have had the entry since before 2007 and we have translations etc, so we might want to try to make sense of this. I have a few questions:
 * 1) What does the label "imperative determiner" mean? If it is a determiner, why is it in a Noun L2?
 * 2) Isn't the noun definition SoP?
 * 3) The three words presented as definitions on the same line in the Adverb L2 don't seem synonymous to me and there are no usage examples, let alone citations. Does anyone have a view on this.
 * 4) Should we just RfD it? DCDuring (talk) 00:06, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I added an example that might be of non-SoP usage:
 * It's good that he's gone. This way we don't have to argue with him all the time.
 * I don't know how to define it. It might just be an elliptical deixis, which doesn't seem to me to be much of a basis for inclusion. Is it? DCDuring (talk) 00:13, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


 * There's also "I wish he'd gone; that way we...", and "I would have preferred things the other way", etc. Equinox ◑ 00:22, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Also with other definite determiners like "his way", "John's way", etc. I was just looking for something I was familiar with that might be idiomatic, it doesn't seem very idiomatic to me. MW Online has a two=definition entry for that way that resembles ours for this way. Oxford has a euphemistic sex-romance usage.
 * I am tempted to add as citations the lyrics from and . DCDuring (talk) 19:00, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Some cleanup seems to have occurred since 2018, but we still have a "Noun" sense glossed as "In the indicated direction or manner". Seems like a prepositional phrase, no? Most of the translations are adverbs. This, that and the other (talk) 10:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * In particular:
 * The "imperative determiner" label has been removed.
 * The noun sense has been converted to a translation hub, so its idiomaticity is irrelevant now. But the fact that it may actually be a prepositional phrase that we have listed as a noun is still an issue.
 * The sense line used to, and still does, read, "In the way indicated; as follows; thus". These phrases do seem synonymous to me, but the sense is still without any usage examples or associated citations.
 * No RfD has occurred.
 * DCDuring's usage example now has a definition.
 * &mdash; excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 17:52, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

= February 2018 =

Special:Contributions/151.255.69.66
Arabic. User:Kaixinguo~enwiktionary and myself spotted mass-editing of Arabic verb forms. The anon refuses to interact and the edits don't seem right. He may be a native speaker or, more likely an advanced learner, but they are not familiar with some forms and they bulk-remove them. , please review the edits, if you can. I have briefly checked some and I don't like what I see but would be better if they actually explained their actions. Please advise if a block or a warning is warranted. I wonder if they are one of formerly blocked users? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 11:24, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't speak Arabic, but if you think the IP requires blocking please ping me. I will be online for the next few hours. — SGconlaw (talk) 13:54, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * In some cases, like or, this user seems to be deleting definition lines that have the same inflectional categories as another definition line, but link to an alternative form of the lemma. In the first case the alternative forms are  and , in the second  and . WingerBot created the entry, and I guess Benwing had decided to include both alternative forms. — Eru·tuon 20:52, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

tunafoto, tular, gegantung
Malay or Indonesian. DTLHS (talk) 01:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I've never seen them being used in Indonesia, but maybe an Indonesian could chime in. — Jeluang Terluang (talk) 21:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * As far as I know tuna- indicates deficiency, for example tunaaksara (tuna+aksara) means illiterate, tunarungu means deaf (lit. lack of hearing), etc. Tunafoto defined as 'photobomb' is incorrect, as the correct definition would be 'deficiency of photos'. I have never heard of this word before so I think it is best to just remove it.
 * Tular is just an uninflected form of menular, this is a common Indonesian word.
 * Gegantung is also alright. Some Indonesian nouns indicate plurals by reduplicating the initial syllable like rerumputan(grass, sing. rumput), dedaunan (leaf, sing. daun). I'm not sure why rerumputan and dedaunan received the suffix -an while tetamu (guest, sing. tamu) does not. Gegantung simply means hangings, multiple things that are hung.
 * Overall I will only ask for tunafoto to be removed, the other two are alright. Gegantung is technically correct but rare. 110.137.193.176 20:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

= March 2018 =

unit
English. Metaknowledge expressed concern to me about the military senses. "Way too many badly written military senses... probably should all be clarified, and some might need to be sent to RFD". I agree, and I'm not familiar enough with the military to make a perfect judgement, but I can tell you now some of the red links look questionable, and one of the defs looks unnecessarily long. Any takers? PseudoSkull (talk) 04:43, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

= April 2018 =

Appendix:English–French relations
The "identical spelling" section is a mess. Some entries are red linked. Some have only an English entry and some have only a French one. Would it be simpler to just delete it? SemperBlotto (talk) 16:23, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Not having an entry isn't a good reason. Not existing in English or French would be a reason for removing single terms. A note could be missing: "The gender only applys to the French, not to the English". A reason for deletion could be, that the list would get to long as ~1/3 of the English vocabulary is of French (Old, Middle, New French) and Anglo-Norman origin, cp. File:Origins of English PieChart.svg, after all, l'anglais est un créole. -84.161.7.111 09:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

partialitas
English. Added by an IP today. "Where's a philosopher when you need one?" said no-one ever. Equinox ◑ 16:09, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

= May 2018 =

bower
English. Pronunciations don't entirely align with etymologies. Also, several unrelated etymologies have been stuck together within Etymology 4. Dylanvt (talk) 02:21, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

万歳
Japanese. Bad etymology; doesn't have an Interjection section; mildly strange definitions (wording?), and the common reading of banzai isn't presented first. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 08:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC)


 * @Suzukaze-c I reordered the etymologies, so your banzai is indeed first now—do you think we can remove the cleanup template now? I believe things are in a better state now.
 * I'm still concerned about one thing, though, which is that Etymology 3 says that the reading is goon, but in fact the goon for 万 is もん, not まん, so I believe this is in error. The まん reading is a kan'youon, and so isn't an "early borrowing" but must be some kind of vulgar alteration, probably from ばんざい. Kiril kovachev (talk) 13:13, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

那
Chinese. RFC-sense: Used after 咋, 咋就. so; that. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 08:37, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It should be fixed now. Dokurrat (talk) 05:56, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Could you add an example? There are too many senses for so and that, so it's hard to understand what it really means without an example. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 06:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry that I can't. It's not of my lexicon. 汉语方言大词典 recorded this sense is found in various dialects. I speak none of them. Dokurrat (talk) 06:09, 13 November 2018 (UTC) (modified)
 * I see. Is it referring to sense 7 (那麼；那樣)? — justin(r)leung { (t...) 06:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was referring to sense 7 (那麼；那樣). Dokurrat (talk) 06:41, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

kick ass
English. Two out of the three definitions and their usexes were based on confusion between this, which is intransitive, and kick someone's ass, which is transitive. I think I fixed the definitions, but I have no clue what to do with the translations. Perhaps they might be moved to the other term if someone would be so kind as to create it. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 00:09, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

= June 2018 =

PAN
Proto-Austronesian lemmas needs help to use Wolff 2010 system in place of Blust 1999. The conversion is easy as stated on Wikipedia. IPA also needs to be updated a little though. --Octahedron80 (talk) 02:07, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

= July 2018 =

mag-
Tagalog. A horrendous mess. I wouldn't know where to start. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:02, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Category:English merisms
English. I apologize for creating and authoring the descriptive text for this category. suggests that the term is polysemous in a way makes it a poor category name. I don't see what characteristics the members of the category have in common apart from being coordinate expressions. At least the category membership needs to be cleaned out. DCDuring (talk) 18:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

= August 2018 =

〜
Translingual. Chinese. How is this a particle, and how is it used? — justin(r)leung { (t...) 13:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

KYPark and Category:Korean citations
The few pages in this category have mostly been touched by the madness of our old "friend" KYPark, and I don't know who feels up to looking though them and deleting extraneous/weird material. ? —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:38, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Spanish and Portuguese Ordinal Abbreviations
I started to fix this, then realized I'm not up to the job at the moment. There doesn't seem to be a lot of consistency in the following areas:


 * In many cases, there is an entry for Portuguese but not for Spanish;
 * Sometimes plurals are included in the superscript, sometimes not (e.g. plural forms at 2.º vs. 3º vs. actual entries, like );
 * The headers usually display plural/feminine inflections, but sometimes not ;
 * Sometimes "Ordinal Number" or "Abbreviation" is used as the header instead of "Adjective";
 * is apparently nonstandard (according to the entry), with being the main form, but elsewhere, no indication is given on whether one is more correct than the other;
 * The "abbreviation of" information is sometimes in the definition line, sometimes in the etymology.

Good luck! Andrew Sheedy (talk) 20:13, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

= September 2018 =

teta
Serbo-Croatian.

https://de.langenscheidt.com/deutsch-kroatisch/search?term=ujna&q_cat=%2Fdeutsch-kroatisch%2F

Langenscheidt reads that unja is the wife of an uncle/ujak. shows another definition. Does anyone know the real meaning? --Rasmusklump (talk) 22:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Langenscheidt has: "Tante f Frau des Onkels mütterlicherseits", i.e. "[one's father's or mother's sister] [gender] [wife of the uncle on one's mother's side]", so for a person there are: person's mother -- person's mother's brother = person's uncle -- person's mother's brother's wife = person's unja  -20:22, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * is the sister of one’s mother or father (aunt by blood). is a hypocoristic form of .  is the brother of one’s mother (maternal uncle by blood).  is the wife of an, i.e. a mother’s brother’s wife (maternal aunt, not by blood).  is a father’s brother’s wife (paternal aunt, not by blood). The entry at  is wrong; it lumps together both s and s as s. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 04:39, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

= November 2018 =

lianghui
English. The entry title is lowercase, but the entry says it is a proper noun. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 05:52, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

adumbrationism
English. Non-standard "Sources" header; they're not all exactly references either. The most recent edits seem to have introduced an additional source which is presumably the origin of the quote given, so it should be converted as such. S URJECTION ·talk·contr·log· 17:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

=December 2018=

(interjection)
French. Def: "cry of celebration in the Middle Ages"

end 1500, ends ~1600, i.e. after the Middle Ages. That doesn't make sense, needs a clarification.

If the interjection was used in the Middle Ages, it's not New French (fr) but Middle French (frm) [though there could also be a New French interjection, for example used in novels for historic effect but not used in the Middle Ages]; and if the interjection is New French, it wasn't used in the Middle Ages [though there could also be a Middle French interjection which was used back than]. -84.161.36.174 11:55, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

=January 2019=

Special:Contributions/Angelucci
Needs an Italian speaker to identify which of the entries this user created are SoP & RFD(/speedy?) them, because there appear to be a lot. See Talk:infilare il fondo della camicia nei pantaloni. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 17:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Related: 79.32.128.0/21, possibly the same contributor. &mdash; surjection &lang;?&rang; 13:59, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

give someone an inch and someone will take a mile
searching "give someone an inch" or "give them an inch" returns results for three pages, including this one; however, this page does not link to any of the similar alternatives, and this particular wording seems to be a deviation from the much more common use of 'they'. In this context I think that this page should be deleted.


 * "Someone" is not meant to be actually part of a saying, but rather a standard template per Criteria for inclusion intended to be replaced with the appropriate pronoun in context. But I agree that repeating "someone" sounds a little weird; we should tidy up that policy to spell out what should happen in that case. There are three options I can think of: 1) keeping "someone"; 2) using singular "they"; or 3) using "he or she". -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 07:17, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Interesting. In theory there might be a distinction between "X someone and they Y" (same person) and "X someone and someone Y" (two different people). Probably not in practice. Equinox ◑ 07:59, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I think the distinction is between "X someone and they Y" and "X someone and someone else Y", with "X someone and someone Y" lying unsatisfactorily in between and thus sounding a bit strange.— Pingkudimmi 10:53, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't know which form is preferred, but either this needs to be redirected to give them an inch and they'll take a mile, or the other way around (or choose a different form). "He or she" is too clunky, and in modern usage they (and its other forms) have come to represent an indefinite gendered single person. -Mike (talk) 06:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

=February 2019=

al dan niet
Dutch. The current definitions for this adverb are "does or does not – in some cases does, in other cases does not" and "did or did not – in some cases did, in other cases did not". ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  13:19, 12 February 2019 (UTC)


 * whether or not seems to be a popular translation. We happy with this? GreyishWorm (talk) 01:40, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * In many cases, whether or not cannot be used in a translation to English, or only by rephrasing (changing the part of speech of some words while translating). Often the adverb is used in combination with of, and then whether or not can be used as a translation – but in these cases the English conjunction translates the Dutch conjunction . Example:
 * Ik wist niet of ik het al dan niet moest lezen.
 * This is from a translated thriller; in the original English, the sentence reads,
 * I didn't know whether to read it or not.
 * The word as used here is an obsolete synonym of the usually untranslatable adverb, the opposite of , and the word  is an equally obsolete synonym of the conjunction , surviving in  and the idiom te ja dan te nee&thinsp; (“yes or no”). Together, the whole term is synonymous with wel of niet, and is perhaps best defined as or ... not. Usexes may suggest ways of translating this idiomatically in various contexts. For example:
 * Lambiam 10:54, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Lambiam 10:54, 13 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Maybe just "possibly", "perhaps"? Thadh (talk) 11:02, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

= April 2019 =

Category:Hawaiian adverbs
According to Category talk:Hawaiian adjectives, there are no adverbs in Hawaiian. I'd clean these up myself but I don't know what they are supposed to be, so I'll leave it to someone who knows what they're doing. —Rua (mew) 17:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

= May 2019 =

maha
Vilamovian. Needs a conjugation template for its inflected forms. Request posted in the entry:


 * Please create a template for Vilamovian weak verbs ending in -a like maha, I don't know how to design them. These verbs are regular and follow a common pattern, here the pattern is design around the root -mah-

— Eru·tuon 02:54, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Category:Hunsrik lemmas or Hunsrik
If Hunsrik isn't Hunsrückisch but only Brazilian Hunsrückisch as Hunsrik and en.wikipedia claim, then the whole category needs a clean-up. For example, eich is Hunsrückisch but not (necessarily) Brazilian Hunsrückisch. Otherwise, if Hunsrik and Hunsrückisch is the same, namely a German dialect spoken in Hunsrück and Brazil, then the entry Hunsrik and en.wp need a clean-up. Daloda (talk) 16:24, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There is no WT:About Hunsrik, so I can't give a definitive answer. should be able to shed some light. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 03:59, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Our language header Hunsrik (hrx) is South American Hunsrückisch. The reference given at does attest its use in Brazil, though being a self-published online PDF, it is questionable whether it should count for our attestation criteria.
 * As for the English entry, its definition(s) does not need to correspond to the name we use for hrx. If the term also refers to the lect of Hunsrück, you can add a definition (or to the definition). — Ungoliant (falai) 14:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * : The reference you mention is only for and not for . (Is the reference durably archived? If not, it's not sufficient as per WT:CFI.) P. J. Rottmann who was the source for  is Central Franconian as he was from Germany and has:  and . --2003:DE:3727:FF66:943C:E458:552C:9B20 03:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you mean now. You are right about that.
 * The reference is not durably archived. It is an enthusiast’s labour of love that he published on a blog from what I can tell, although this word is attested else (the 2nd person, not the 1st). — Ungoliant (falai) 15:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

decision stream
English. The current definition and the one that an IP just tried to add are solid blocks of technical-sounding jargon describing what seem to be a type of computer application and a rather specific organizational method. The Google Books hits I see, on the other hand, talk about an element in the analysis of processes- basically, a concept. This smells like someone trying to promote stuff that just happens to be available on their website(s).

At any rate, there seems to be real usage, so it would be great if someone who knows more than I do could make a real entry out of it, phrased so that ordinary human beings can understand it. Chuck Entz (talk) 01:18, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

= June 2019 =

proprietor
I have not studied law where English is spoken to know what this word means, but I doubt that this word is interchangeable with “owner”, at least in the main sense as currently used – in any case the definition “owner” is hardly enough not to leave doubts about its application; and the second and third definitions are redundant to each other; probably also the third and second to the first if the first is correctly defined, and possibly even the fourth is just subcase.

The translation tables contain “Inhaber” for German. Indeed, how I see the word used in corpora, it translates well so. So there are trademark proprietors, and those are Markenrechtsinhaber in German. But “owner” is not Inhaber, it is, which means the complete might about a corporeal object and it cannot be applied to trademarks or other intellectual property rights. A means the de facto control about a thing (borne by the will to possess; it is ), a word hardly pertinent to.

Is it just “someone to whom a right is assigned” at the end? Fay Freak (talk) 15:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

= July 2019 =

Category:English collective nouns
Applying and   causes entries to be placed in this category. These labels have been applied to miscellany of terms, including to Entente Cordiale and Welsh. I would think we would not want to include demonyms or, indeed, any proper nouns in this category. Further, nouns like academia seem to not fit ordinary use of the term.

I am not sure how many problems are here, but some possibilities are:
 * 1) the label is misapplied
 * 2) the label needs to be reworded
 * 3) the label should not categorize
 * 4) our definition of collective noun is not specific enough
 * 5) In general as used in linguistics
 * 6) As should applied to determining category membership

I think this needs discussion before action, but I don't think it rises to BP. If there is a lot of disagreement, we should take it to BP once the problem(s) is/are sorted. DCDuring (talk) 15:50, 16 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Century 1911 has: "In gram., a noun in the singular number signifying an aggregate or assemblage, as multitude, crowd, troop, herd, people, society, clergy, meeting, etc."


 * I would exclude multitude, crowd, people, society, clergy and include troop, herd, meeting, though I can't now specify the basis for the differences I find between the two groups. DCDuring (talk) 15:57, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

= August 2019 =

Category:ceb:Barangays of the Philippines
Lots of subcategorisation here. Didn't we previously delete similar stuff about Bangladesh before? If we decide these should exist, then at least they should be added to the category data so that they can be used in multiple languages. —Rua (mew) 16:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/92.184.105.75
This French IP just added a whole bunch of Greek phonetic transcriptions of English given names with the definition "A male given name, equivalent to English" provided by the given name template. This is rather misleading, especially for names where the English forms are descended from Ancient Greek and the native Greek descendants of the Ancient Greek forms are far more common. These names seem to be attested, but I'm not sure whether they're really Greek or transcriptions of English. Can someone who knows some Greek, like advise on how to deal with these? Chuck Entz (talk) 02:54, 25 August 2019 (UTC)


 * For ease of access I assume that Μαρκ, Μάικ, Μάικλ, Μπράιαν, Ουίλλιαμ, Ρόμπερτ, Ρίτσαρντ, Τζέιμς, Τζον, Ντέιβιντ are the names we are talking about. I looked at, to see how we handled names which I know of personally in the UK of English people; Odysseus has a Greek mother. (I would rather term us all European, but we won't go into that!) The treatment of these two seems fair to me, English people having an extra Category:English male given names from French. The English are generous about given names - anything goes - I don't know how a Greek would define a Greek name, my initial trawl of Βικιπαίδεια didn't find any native examples of these names but that doesn't mean much Μαρκ may be rare but Μαρκός isn't. We need Greek input :) —  Salt  marsh . 05:37, 25 August 2019 (UTC)


 * , yes I can see Odysseus from the ancient name, but is anyone called Othysseas (Οδυσσέας -audio transcription of informal name-)? These are correct audio-transcriptions of the English names, unadapted, without declension: I am not sure of how these infinite code-switchings are handled. I do not know if you wish them to appear in Translations. I see the English Alexandros (transliteration of greek Αλέξανδρος/Ἀλέξανδρος) instead of Alexander. Or Alixandr, Aleksandr (of Александр). Perhaps, for Μάικλ something like...
 * Transcription of the English male given name Michael in Greek script. Equivalent of the Greek  or.
 * Same could be done for the French Michel & Michèle Μισέλ.
 * But are they used as Greek? No, they are used as English while speaking Greek. Would you add them at Category:Greek given names, or at Transliterations? Category:el:Transliteration of personal names
 * Example: I know a person called Γιάννης, passport with formal Ιωάννης or Ἰωάννης but his family call him Τζον (John). Is this a greek name? No. It is English. In Eng. we have Iannis, Yiannis, Ioannis (various transliterations of old and modern greek forms).
 * The reverse procedure IS indeed a normal greek lemma: A foreign name may be hellenized: Robert (transcription & transliteration: Ρόμπερτ) became Ροβέρτος, with full declension, which IS used (rarely) as a greek given name. sarri.greek (talk) 06:02, 25 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Do we have 3 options (the first is non-commital)?
 * 1. A male given name from the English, equivalent to the Greek .
 * 2. . equivalent to the Greek.
 * 3. . equivalent to the Greek.
 * The trouble with using is assignment as a Greek name, which might not be what we want. One option would be to use the first and leave the rest to the Etymology section. —  Salt  marsh . 06:29, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

= September 2019 =

lv
Needs formatting, templating, separation from lowercase to uppercase, and some good old-fashioned TLC --Vealhurl (talk) 10:18, 25 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Done. Not so bad, really. Denazz (talk) 23:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

= October 2019 =

кабак, Kabacke
The sections are contradicting as Low German (nds) and High German (de) are different languages. --2003:F8:13C7:59D1:2952:6150:4D4:3CAC 13:59, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * They aren’t, and Low German (nds) and High German (de) aren’t different languages. The word has been used just north and south the . Comparing High Prussian and Low Prussian, they aren’t different languages but dialects. “German” is the Dachsprache. Fay Freak (talk) 14:05, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:R:Urseren
(Some of) those entries need a cleanup: --Tybete (talk) 11:33, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Some entries lack the page number, e.g. Eichhore, Nuss which are not even in the Wörterverzeichnis (p. 110ff.).
 * 2) * Nuss: The source has "nʊss Nuß" (p. 59). Properly it's not ʊ, but u neither. The source explains the characters on p. 7f.: "ı ı̄ [ı with macron] und ʊ ʊ̄ sind sehr offene Laute; [...] i und ī [i with macron] sind deutlich geschlossen; [...] Der mit u, ū bezeichnete Laut ist ein sehr geschlossenes u mit ganz leichter Palatalisierung". Thus apparently it's not "Nuss" and if the occurence on p. 59 is the source for the entry, the entry not only needs the page number but also a note or another cleanup.
 * 3) Some entries need a note and possible other cleanups, e.g. Tuure, Määri.
 * 4) * Tuure: The source has "tʊ̄rə m. Turm, mhd. turn" (p. 19), "tʊ̄rə m. Turm, speziell der ‚Langobardenturm‘ in Hospental" (p. 34f.) and doesn't have "Tuure" on p. 34.
 * 5) * Määri: The source has "mǣrı n. Märchen, zu ahd. mâra" (p. 23, in § 26), "mǣrı n. Märchen" (p. 45, in § 51), and "Mä̂ri n. 26" (p. 112, inside the Wörterverzeichnis), and does not have "Määri" on p. 23. As for the Wörterverzeichnis, it begins with this note: "[...] Durch Aufhebung von Entrundung, Verdumpfung und Diphthongierung sowie der sekundären Dehnung und Kürzung ist der Lautstand soweit als möglich dem gemeinalemannischen Status angenähert worden. [...]". That is, the form in the Wörterverzeichnis is artificial, not really Urseren.

Special:Contributions/Theo.phonchana
I've skimmed through some of Theo's most recent contributions and found many dubious edits and some obvious errors. I'm not a Latin, Thai or Chinese expert, but I think those edits should be checked too considering that he has a tendency of reverting edits by knowledgeable users. I also issued a 1 week block so we can go through his edits and maybe let him cool down. --Robbie SWE (talk) 08:56, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

mood-thought
Can this be reworded? Tharthan (talk) 03:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

真
Japanese: etymology 3 has too many readings. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 02:33, 30 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Ah, names.
 * We don't really have any cohesive approach to the enormous variability of Japanese name (especially given-name) spellings and readings. I suppose, ideally, we'd treat each reading fully, but given the wide wide wide WIIIIIIDE range of spellings, I suspect we'd have to lemmatize at the kana renderings.
 * + anyone else I'm undoubtedly omitting in my present tiredness: what thoughts on this? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 05:05, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I would like to see given names lemmatized at kana only and surnames lemmatized at kanji or kana. I think listing these readings at would suffice. By the way, can we capitalize the rōmaji for the nanori readings? KevinUp (talk) 05:21, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Listing only as nanori doesn't tell us whether it's a name in itself (not used in conjunction with other characters) and it doesn't tell us whether it's a male given name, female given name or surname. Thus, the romaji for the nanori readings should not be capitalized. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 06:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The idea is to have this information (male/female given name) at kana entries because there are multiple ways of writing the same name using different kanji (See ただし for example). I think nanori readings can be capitalized because they are proper nouns. KevinUp (talk) 06:54, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Then they shouldn't just be listed as readings under the Kanji header, but also have a soft redirect. Nanori readings may not necessarily be proper nouns in themselves if they're only used in conjunction with other characters to form a proper noun. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 07:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts on this? Creating soft redirects is a good idea but may consume more memory and the page is already exhausted. KevinUp (talk) 07:05, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Ping also for comment. Are there any nanori readings that are only used in conjunction with other characters, and shall these entries be designated as affix instead? KevinUp (talk) 07:26, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

The page has dubious given names such as まさつぐ, しんじ, and ますみ, and dubious surnames such as さねさき, まがさき, しんさき, しんざき, and まやなぎ. They should be deleted, or at least RFVed. I prefer having only nanori readings in a kanji page and attested surnames. Given names are really free when it comes to kanji. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 10:23, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree with @Shinji on this. And, re: capitalizing nanori, pretty much all nanori that I can think of at the moment can be used as parts of longer names, and as such, should probably be left as lower-case in the  list.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. I managed to clean up the compounds section and reduced the Lua memory from 50 MB to 35 MB. What are your thoughts on creating soft redirects for given names? KevinUp (talk) 17:54, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If you mean soft redirects to the lemma entry located at the kana spelling, sure. If you mean something else, please clarify.  :)  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 07:24, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I meant. Are we going to lemmatize given names at kanji, kana spelling or both? KevinUp (talk) 09:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

= November 2019 =

Jesus
Middle High German L2

Citations follow a non-standard format. DCDuring (talk) 03:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have removed the textual variants because these serve no purpose on Wiktionary and removed the nesting. Does that fulfill the request in your view? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  14:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It does.
 * The citation beginning Wolfdietrich lacks a date. I couldn't tell whether the date shown was for the specific work or for an anthology-type republication. Can you tell? DCDuring (talk) 14:51, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It is a type of anthology that apparently includes various versions of the Wolfdietrich. The manuscript used for the quote is Hagens Handschrift, but I do not know what version that is though it is likely not version A. Also, the amount of variants of the work is a bit of a mess, so I have no idea what date to use. The surviving manuscripts themselves seem to be mostly 15th/16th century according to Wikipedia. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  15:11, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Getting the right centur(y|ies) would be an improvement over no date at all. DCDuring (talk) 15:15, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I dated it at 1230, but I could also see why one would date it at the date of the manuscript on which the anthology publication was based. Do whatever you think is right. DCDuring (talk) 18:53, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It is apparently version B and the manuscript has the siglum MS H, which the Wikipedia article dates to the 2nd half of the 15th century. Version B is generally dated to the 13th century. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  08:49, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I suppose that, strictly speaking, one would want to date the citation at the date of the earliest manuscript that included the headword, but what would one do if the surrounding text differed in a way that influenced one's ascription of meaning? I suppose that it would be a rare user here that would be concerned. It makes me appreciate that most printed works are not subject to as much variation, except by well-defined editions, errata sheets, etc. DCDuring (talk) 12:28, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Ford
make of car.

Apparently, all the citation dates are based on whatever edition the contributor found in their own library or on Google Books. I found 3 errors in the 3 that I checked, including Willa Cather's My Antonia dated 2006, rather than 1918, Elmore Leonard's Killshot dated 2003, rather than 1989. There are 10 others to be checked. DCDuring (talk) 03:57, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

evolutionary
Too many SOP derived terms. Ultimateria (talk) 23:48, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I dunno, they seem pretty sound. I wanna keep 'em. GreyishWorm (talk) 01:57, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

パッシブアグレッシブ
—Suzukaze-c◇◇ 00:16, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) should be an adjective instead?
 * 2) meets WT:CFI?


 * Seems to be primarily an adjective (パッシブ・アグレッシブな), but there are some noun uses. I've cleaned it up and moved it to パッシブ・アグレッシブ, since the quotations I found all had the dot. Cnilep (talk) 04:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Rhymes:Estonian/ɑɡu
Estonian has first-syllable stress on most native words, like Finnish. Rhymes:Estonian doesn't say anything about rhyming rules, but if they are anything like English, a lot of these words do not actually rhyme because they are not stressed on the first syllable of the rhyme. —Rua (mew) 15:55, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The article on the Estonian Wikipedia does not give a precise definition, but defines the rule loosely as “the same sound” (helide kordust) “in the last stressed syllables of the word” (sõna viimastes rõhutatud silpides). The examples given (all polysyllabic) are all consistent with the hypothesis that the rules are like those for English rhyming poetry.  --Lambiam 15:08, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

= December 2019 =

may the Force be with you
I'm tempted to rfv the entire translation table, since almost all of the translations look like simple calques of the English, and the phrase was only coined a few decades ago (Old Church Slavic... really?). Someone has obviously made it their mission to translate this into every language that ever existed and is posting the results on a web page somewhere.

Perhaps we need some kind of message on the page telling people not to add translations if they aren't aware of actual usage. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't know if these books and/or movies have been translated into Church Slavonic (maybe they have after all); but wherever I met that phrase in any language it was as a literal translation of the English, and what's surprising about that? Star Wars is rating near the top of the box office all over the world, not only in English-speaking countries (and even non-native English-speakers watching it in the English original would then use a literal translation to their friends in their own language). Tonymec (talk) 00:52, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * &mdash; surjection &lang;??&rang; 15:54, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Appendix:Wu Chinese surnames
Looks really messy right now. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 09:22, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes working on it right now. Could use some help aligning all the columns. Merry Christmas!--Prisencolin (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

= January 2020 =

cannabin
I removed a lengthy, footnoted, POV defense of marijuana that was hanging like a goiter from the definition after the offending part had been excised, but the definition itself has been changed from the admittedly dated and awful Webster 1913 one to a sort of half-mutated form that doesn't make sense by old or modern standards. It talks about hemp, the taxonomic equivalent of Cannabis indica, hashish and "narcotic" properties all together, which strikes me as possibly wrong, and it's not completely clear to me how one would refer nowadays to whatever was meant by this obsolete chemical term. Someone better versed in the history of marijuana needs to make some sense out of this. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:17, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Cannabin seems to be archaic in the sense given. According to a document titled "How Tobacco and Cannabis Smoking Effects Human Physiology": "Cannabis, produced from the hemp plant, is employed in 3 forms: herbal cannabis, the dried leaves and flowering first-rate, additionally referred to as ‘cannabis,’ ganja,’ or ‘weed,’ among others; cannabin, the ironed secretions of the plant, referred to as ‘hashish’ or ‘charash;’ and cannabis oil, a mix ensuing from distillation or extraction of active ingredients of the plant."  (There are a lot of hits for cannabin oids, attempting to exclude them causes google to scold me: "Showing results for cannabis -oil -kids".)  There are more potentially useful papers behind paywalls.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Văn
Some of the things listed as homophones (e.g. dâng) do not appear to be pronounced the same, based on our pronunciation sections. Pinging two recently-active Vietnamese speakers, can one of you please take a look and either remove anything in the list of homophones which is not a homophone, or expand the pronunciation sections? - -sche (discuss) 22:26, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Soon two years without any activity. --Fytcha (talk) 19:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

The pronunciation of the phoneme written <â> is quite messy: bits and pieces of Central and South Vietnam merge it with <ă>. I don’t know if there’s any place where this merger coincides with the merger of  and  (which is limited to bits and pieces of the South). However it be, Vietnamese homophones are in dire need of quantifiers saying where these words are homophones, as this is never the whole of the country. MuDavid 栘𩿠 (talk) 09:11, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Latin entries in wrong categories
--Sasha Gray Wolf (talk) 19:50, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Aequum Tuticum, Alba Longa, Alexander Magnus: Remove the category Category:Latin first and second declension adjectives (it's no adjective)
 * epulum: Remove the category Category:Latin neuter nouns in the first declension (first declension forms (plural) are feminine as the entry notes)
 * This is partly a module problem and partly a question of whether the plural should really be treated as a separate plural-only word (or at least have a separate headword). Chuck Entz (talk) 20:13, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Regardless of that question, it's not a first declension neuter noun. If both forms make up one word, it's a heteroclitic and heterogenerous noun, second declension neuter (in sg., alternative pl.) and first declension feminine (in pl.).
 * The following Latin entries also need a cleanup: Codex Argenteus ("with a second-declension noun"), albus an ater sit. --Sasha Gray Wolf (talk) 21:33, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I fixed Codex Argenteus so it says "adjective". I still need to fix the module so it doesn't categorize adjectives that cooccur with nouns. Benwing2 (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I fixed the issue with nouns with modifying adjectives being categorized as adjectives, as in Aequum Tuticum, Alba Longa, Alexander Magnus. I remember encountering the issue with epulum awhile ago, and fixing it is a bit tricky, but I'll see what I can do. Benwing2 (talk) 22:01, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

The template should be a subcategory of, not. See, for example,, and plenty of other pages on the Wiktionary. Chuck Entz keeps reverting my edits, now look at the result:. 92.184.96.214 15:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

since you were discussing this template last year. 92.184.96.214 15:16, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Logically, should maybe function as a label, I agree with that, but you can't just change the template the way you've done it. It functions syntactically in a particular fashion, and changing it to use  breaks that. In order to change this, you need to (1) investigate the best way to make the relevant syntactic changes to all the pages that use it, (2) get consensus in WT:BP. Benwing2 (talk) 15:21, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I reverted you because such changes should be discussed before implementing. I have no opinion on whether it's a good idea- it just needs to be discussed with someone who knows the differences in behavior between the modules that support the two versions. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

pointing
Definitions are a bit ugly. One is a encyclopedic and poorly researched ("or perhaps applies in the US only"). Andrew Sheedy (talk) 00:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Q.E.D., ‪QED‬
And of course, the spacing makes a difference: And even if WT would state, that it ignores spacing (which it can't state, if it is descriptive and not prescriptive), then it could only do so for the lemmas/entries and not the quotes, as altering quotes makes them wrong. We also don't changes the spelling in quotes of Shakespeare to the spellings used today. --Trothmuse (talk) 20:25, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Q.E.D.: The "1809, Diedrich Knickerbocker [pseudonym; Washington Irving]" quote needs a cleanup, see the entry
 * ‪QED‬: Too many quotes are misquoted, Q. E. D (with spaces) isn't Q.E.D. (without spaces) and Q E D (as in the 1684 quote) isn't QED.
 * USA / U.S.A. / U. S. A. are three different spellings
 * In some languages, the spaced/non-spaced version is prescribed/proscribed. For example in German in case of abbreviations with dots, the unspaced version is proscribed while the spaced version is prescribed, so it's  and   (Duden: z. B.).


 * The 1809 quotation has been fixed (there was a typo in the template).
 * I have started a discussion on this issue at "Beer parlour". We should see if there is consensus on the matter one way or another before proceeding. — SGconlaw (talk) 07:28, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

r-umal
Part of speech, definition. DTLHS (talk) 02:42, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The alternative form,, is marked as a "preposition". I put this PoS in the entry, plus rfdef. I was tempted to just delete it, honestly. These K'iche' entries were compiled by someone who was working through an online glossary; it's not clear if they actually speak the language. This, that and the other (talk) 04:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

myroblyte
For some reason an IP has worked on this entry a lot, adding references in definitions and a bunch of entries in other languages (all under translations) that they probably don't know enough to actually add entries correctly in. &mdash; surjection &lang;?&rang; 06:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I merged the senses. Honestly the IP seems to have their head screwed on the right way. I couldn't find any glaring errors. It seems they were just passionate about myroblytes.
 * I didn't remove the rfc tag yet, just in case some Slavic-language editor wanted to check the translations more properly. This, that and the other (talk) 04:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

ghazwa
I reverted the deletion of one of the senses with the edit comment "Removed wrong meaning". The fact that someone did so shows that either this is indeed wrong, or at the very least it needs tweaking of the definition and/or a label/usage note to deal with the sensitivity of the issues involved. I haven't rfved it because it seems to hinge on matters of fact and interpretation as much as usage. This needs the attention of someone who knows more about this than I do. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:08, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

= February 2020 =

kaffe
An IP [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=kaffe&type=revision&diff=58622651&oldid=57831868 added a length marker to the consonant]. Do we do that for Norwegian? If so, this is fine; if not, revert the edit... - -sche (discuss) 19:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

ja (Swedish)
Multiple competing etymologies and pronunciations and it's not clear what refers to what. DTLHS (talk) 17:07, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

babayeng ikogan
The etymology, second def, and a quick Google Images search lead me to think the first def is meant to say a trans woman, to a trans man. The second def is not entirely fluent, but seems like it seems redundant to the first def (assuming the first def means what I just said), since it seems to be saying "a woman who is not trans but is mistaken for a trans woman is also called this". (Then again, at what point does calling someone something insultingly become a separate sense? Calling every "lame" thing "gay" is a separate sense of gay. But are bullies who shout "lesbian!!" at a straight girl who has a mannish/butch haircut/clothes using a different sense?) - -sche (discuss) 10:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

= March 2020 =

Afërditë
A recent (apparently plausible) edit to the etymology, which I copyedited, made me notice that this entry has a big manual declensin table complete with "albanian" being mis-capitalized until a moment ago, and each cell having its own font specified. - -sche (discuss) 17:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ditto Afërdita, Afërdit, Afërditi. - -sche (discuss) 17:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

croon
The first three senses seem very similar. Though they are technically distinct definitions, the minute differences between them seem to have little practical importance or effect on meaning. Maybe they could be merged into one definition? Imetsia (talk) 17:42, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. The singing sense is probably much older than the saying sense. Upforhim (talk) 11:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

genip
Citation format is nonstandard and has been since 2012. Dates or estimated dates are missing. English translations are missing for some. DCDuring (talk) 19:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

動L
Exceedingly stubby. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 19:33, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Soon two years. --Fytcha (talk) 18:59, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

bristletail
When it comes to 6-legged teeny wingless crawling things, we live in interesting times. This entry is a poster child for the problems that come from our reliance on public-domain sources for rapidly-changing technical topics. I apologize for throwing around a lot of taxonomic names, but you can't really understand what's wrong with this entry- let alone fix it- without at least a very basic knowledge of the taxonomy.

The original definition:
 * 1) Any of various small active insects of the order Thysanura, that have two or three bristles at the end of their abdomen and that do not have wings.

This definition is correct as of a century ago, but is now seriously wrong. Here are the groups that I'll be referring to:


 * Entognaths (mandibles inside the head)
 * Protura (coneheads)
 * Collembola (springtails)
 * Diplura (two-pronged bristletails)
 * Ectognaths (mandibles on the outside of the head)
 * Archaeognatha (jumping bristletails)
 * Zygentoma (silverfish and firebrats)
 * Pterygota (winged insects)

All of these have 6 legs, and are currently grouped together as Hexapoda. The "bristles" are appendages called cerci sticking out of the last segment on the tail end, along with a terminal filament sticking out in the middle. The proturans have none of these, while the diplurans have only the two cerci. The springtails have the terminal filament folded against and fused with the body, and the cerci modified into a structure called the furcula. The furcula acts like a spring: it's kept against the body, but when released catapults the springtail into the air. The most primitive insects have all three structures, others just cerci (they're the pinchers in the earwigs), and the more advanced have nothing.

classed all the arthropods as insects, and grouped them at the broadest level according to their wings. His Aptera included crabs and lobsters, spiders, scorpions, mites, ticks, lice and fleas, as well as the groups above.

By the end of the 19th century, the crustaceans and arachnids were split into their own groups and fleas and lice were recognized as winged insects without wings. All the 6-legged arthropods were classified as insects. These were divided into the winged insects, Pterygota, and Thysanura (all the rest). The proturans were only discovered in the first decade of the 20th century, so weren't included. Springtails were recognized as quite distinctive, so the Thysanura were referred to in those days as springtails and bristletails.

Our original definition is based on Thysanura as it was known then: all the hexapods that weren't winged insects, springtails, or proturans. The fact that it mentions "two or three bristles" proves that diplurans were included (nothing else has 2 tails).

By the latter part of the mid-20th century, the entognath orders were split off from the insects and no longer included in Thysanura, leaving just the archaeognaths and zygentomans. Toward the end of the 20th century, the archaeognaphs were recognized as different from all the rest of the insects, so Thysanura was broken up:


 * Hexapods
 * Protura (coneheads)
 * Collembola (springtails)
 * Diplura
 * Insects
 * Monocondylia
 * Archaeognatha [Microcoryphia in older works] ( or rockhoppers)
 * Dicondylia
 * Zygentoma (silverfish and firebrats)
 * Pterygota (winged insects)

Even this is probably going to change. The trend seems to be toward treating insects as closest to, if not part of, the crustaceans, and not as close to the other hexapods- which would make the Hexapoda obsolete. The exact relationships of the different hexapod groups to the crustaceans or other arthropod groups and to each other is still not settled, however.

Recently changed Thysanura to Zygentoma in the definition. It's true that the only species that are widely familiar to non-entomologists are in this order, but that leaves out the the diplurans and the archaeognaths. He also changed the translation table to say Zygentoma instead of Thysanura, which means that all of the translations could potentially be for the wrong definition. The translations that I can figure out seem to be mostly for specific species in Zygentoma (silverfish, mostly), but it's hard to say whether they can also refer to Zygentoma (or anything else) as a group. I don't know know the languages well enough to fix these.

I've now split the definition into a primary one referring to "small, active six-legged arthropods" rather than using a taxonomic name, with subsenses for each of the orders. Given the magnitude of the taxonomic changes, I figured it was better to avoid details that would be invalid for at least some historical stages of the taxonomy.

The easiest sense to find in Google Books (since everything from that period is in the public domain) is the older one covering all the hexapods except for proturans, springtails and winged insects. The sources for this usually refer to "bristletails and springtails". I suspect that one exists for archaeognaths as opposed to zygentomans, since the zygentomans are better known as silverfish. The diplurans are usually referred to as "two-pronged bristletails" and the archaeognathans as "jumping bristletails", but there are a uses of just "bristletails" for each. I'm not sure if our definitions should try to reflect those differences.

Another issue is that older works tend to hyphenate the name, while modern references tend to be written solid. It's hard to say whether the lemma should be at the hyphenated or the solid form.

Sorry for the length. I needed to lay everything out to make sense of it all. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:50, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The original definition was probably from MW 1913 or Century 1911. I have made no substantive edits to this entry other than the one you mention.
 * I suppose that, since we sometimes claim to be a historical dictionary, it might be desirable to show the definitions that applied at different times, but I don't know that we can find citations that would well support any refined set of historical definitions. A gallery of photos might suggest why the vernacular term has been applied to so many relatively distinct taxonomic groupings. Since taxonomists often don't use vernacular names in their writings, it may be a hopeless task to follow the twists and turns of possible referents of such a vernacular term. I think the most important thing is to have the most common definition applicable for non-specialist literature.
 * If some of the groups are usually vernacularly referred to by a name like X bristletail, then coverage in derived terms might be enough, especially if we actually have entries for those terms. OneLook references have three such derived terms: jumping bristletail, true bristletail, and two-pronged bristletail.
 * I would use Google NGrams to provide some guidance about which term should be the lemma. Otherwise, a lot of work for the value gained.
 * In short, I don't think that we can achieve taxonomic precision in a vernacular name entry and shouldn't expend too much of our effort in that direction, as frustrating as it may be to leave such vagueness behind. DCDuring (talk) 03:49, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Category:Kana Supplement block
The entirety of Category:Kana Supplement block, except for 𛀀 and 𛀁, has defective formatting.

Frankly I would like to see them deleted. They can be easily regenerated by a bot if someone truly cares enough. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 07:55, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Entries by Leornendeealdenglisc
--Sally Buns (talk) 22:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Vuldar: Volume? Year? (Vol. 1 from 1856?) What's "1338"? (col., and not e.g. p. or num.?) It's not "Dr. Förstemann Ernst" but "Dr. Ernst Förstemann" (Ernst is the forename, Förstemann the surename).
 * Wothen: Wrong title (as the title page shows it's "praecipui, ex" and not "praecipui : ex"). Year? (It's 1596.) Page? (476.)
 * Aldger: Year? (1867?) What's "2."? (The page and not for e.g. vol., col. or ed.?) Also: Why is "Aldgēr" given as sense/translation, isn't it rather the head: ?
 * Adalmar: "Dr. Heyne, Mortiz". The person's name is Moritz. This occurs in many other entries as well; in some (e.g. Alburg) it was fixed already.
 * Irmina: It's not "Forstemann" but "Förstemann". This occurs in other entries as well.
 * Irmindrud: This should be checked, probably it's not "Diocesis" but "Dioecesis" as in this google snippet.
 * Haostarpald: Title is wrong; it's "Grammatik der deutschen Mundarten. Zweiter Theil. Das bairische Gebiet. – Bairische Grammatik." And as usual for Leornendeealdenglisc: Year, and what's "74"?
 * Angandio: Edition/Translator? What's "1716"? (Page and not year as Grimm lived after that?) Possibly the Volume is lacking as well.

See also. J3133 (talk) 18:52, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

= April 2020 =

transmis
The "masculine plural transmiss" seems wrong. The "verb form: participle" and "participle" sections seem redundant. Beyond just fixing the entry, someone might want to look into whether other entries with the same kind of error exist. - -sche (discuss) 22:53, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks like this is generated by the code in Template:fr-past participle. Currently, that template requires the manual addition of the past participle form for masculine plural forms that aren't formed by the addition of s to the singular form. So this example can be fixed by adding the parameter "mplural=transmis". I think it would be better maybe to add more logic to the code, since it is regular for masculine singular forms ending in -s to not take an additional s. (If this isn't done, though, I don't think it's infeasible though to add all of these manually, since past participles ending in "s" in the masculine singular constitute a small and fairly closed category in French.)--Urszag (talk) 02:47, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

= May 2020 =

Special:Contributions/Magurale
This user seems to label every single word as a noun. Some of them are defined as verbs. DTLHS (talk) 23:42, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

courtesan
Do we...normally list UK rhotic pronunciations? Do we want to? This entry does, on their own line, not even using the parenthetical r format. - -sche (discuss) 01:55, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't normally, but there's no particular reason we shouldn't. That said, I do wish people would stop using "UK" and "US" as accent labels and use something more specific. Is the "UK rhotic" accent being shown that of the West Country? Scotland? Northern Ireland? All three? —Mahāgaja · talk 07:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

= June 2020 =

sit out, sit-out, sitout
Another three-way tangle, where each entry gives the others as alternative forms. Should be centralised on one form as far as possible (at least for the noun; I don't think sit-out or sitout can be verbs, only sit out). Equinox ◑ 20:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

奧力給
In simplified Chinese, bad formatting, definition needs to be worked on. RcAlex36 (talk) 09:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Formatting: fixed.
 * Definition: ??
 * —Suzukaze-c (talk) 07:19, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/2A02:587:4100:0:0:0:0:0/40- Again
For many years this self-important person located somewhere in Greece has been trying to force their amateurish attempts at philosophy and theoretical physics into our English entries. They think up definitions that make sense to them- but no one would ever use in real life- and try to sneak them into the entries. When stopped, they rail about the ignorance, stupidity and bias of anyone who disagrees with them- using their own made-up and incomprehensible "English". They're very persistent and take advantage of the fact that we can't permanently block most of an entire country's IP addresses to keep coming back with more of the same.

Some of us have been reverting and deleting their edits all the while, but it gets tiring and there's lots we've missed. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:25, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

v s l m
The quotations are formatted incorrectly, with some text having changed opacity. J3133 (talk) 03:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That was on purpose: the OP was trying to be fancy. My guess is that the transparent parts are supposed to represent lacunae in the original inscriptions. I'm not so sure inline css formatting is a good idea in a wiki, where someone could move things around and ruin the effect. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is on purpose but it is hard to read. J3133 (talk) 04:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Are the applicable? —Suzukaze-c (talk) 21:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I was the one who did the formatting. I had tried several ways of representing lacunae (including the LC, brackets, smaller type and just dots) and this was by far the clearest way. As for the concern of things breaking when things move around, I have tried to address that by positioning everything relative to the local text position. I'm not sure if ‘hard to read’ refers to the opacity or the ligatures. I suppose we could up the opacity a little; the use of ligatures in the time period was the way it was and we should just accept that.


 * Should be changed to use [brackets] like other entries. - -sche (discuss) 08:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

= July 2020 =

address
The verb section would require some clean-up: the senses repeat and overlap each other and some examples seem to be under a wrong sense. Also, some "obsolete" senses are defined with almost same wording as the "current" ones. --Hekaheka (talk) 16:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Latin/Romance edits by Special:Contributions/2601:601:0:6A70:803B:66B9:E03B:12F3/64
Somebody in Washington state in the US has been working lately with Latin and various Ibero-Romance languages. They're not wildly wrong, but their edits are unformatted, not matching our standards, and a bit amateurish. Since they seem to have a different IP address every day, I'm not sure how to communicate with them. Pinging to make sure they're aware of this. Chuck Entz (talk) 17:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Icelandic pronoun entries
I haven't even bothered signing them with the tag, as there are far too many of them to adequately sign. These entries (for example or  are very messy, including the template that they use. The modern Icelandic personal pronouns include only those seen in this template (apart from inflected forms of course). The rest are obsolete spellings, only referenced in ancient sagas (is it even Icelandic or Old Icelandic? Or Old Norse?), yet they have enormous entries with little additional information. Furthermore, the pronouns that aren't obsolete are in such shape that I frankly cannot expect any user to actually read them. See to see to what lengths I had to go to make the entry on það somewhat acceptable to the eye. Please help. Thadh (talk) 21:45, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, on second thought, perhaps an overstatement, but they are messy. Thadh (talk) 21:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

= August 2020 =

Cracker Jack, Cracker Jacks
The singular and plural definitions reference each other. Victionarier (talk) 09:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I have removed the redundant sense 2 at the plural. The distinction at the singular seems to be the . Equinox ◑ 09:47, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

= September 2020 =

klaviform
Fix quotes.
 * Author?
 * Page?
 * Maybe volume as that appear to be book-series.
 * Maybe even work-title as of a work inside of a book-series.
 * Correct year? google often bundles different volumes and only gives the year of the latest volume

Clarify definition, possible split quotes by senses, cp. the multiple etymologies and senses at.

--10:41, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

čtvrthrst
Two issues: — Ungoliant (falai) 15:42, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Strč prst skrz krk claims this term is an artificial occasionalism. Is this the case? If so, the entry should have usage notes explaining how it is used.
 * The external links lead to non-existant dictionary entries.

𛀆
As mentioned in the RFC notice in the entry, there are various problems.


 * 1) The obsolete form of i is distinct from modern usage to represent yi.  These two use cases should be split into separate etyms.
 * 2) There are various other issues as cataloged at User_talk:LittleWhole.

‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 00:36, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Habsburgus
I added the Latin definition "Habsburgus." Anonymous "93.221.41.43" added a request for sense cleanup tag. Anonymous failed to create a request for sense cleanup post here. There doesn't appear be anything that needs "cleaned up" sense wise. Aearthrise (talk) 06:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * 1. There is also a comment in the entry: "Which sense of Habsburg is meant?" The definition in is only "Habsburg", and  has four senses:
 * proper noun: castle
 * proper noun: family
 * noun: family member
 * adjective: relating to the family
 * Even when only considering the proper nouns, there are still two different senses.
 * 2. There is another comment: "For the quote of Johann Amos Comenius - he died in the 17th century. So: Editor?" Comenius couldn't release his works in 1974 as he was already dead then. Additionally, the author of the quoted parts could be the editor and not Comenius himself.
 * --2003:DE:371B:BD17:8D1F:B921:4BBD:BA9E 10:26, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * --2003:DE:371B:BD17:8D1F:B921:4BBD:BA9E 10:26, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

= October 2020 =

RQ templates on e.g. of
Various RQ templates don't play nice with manually-provided chapter etc data, as seen on of, where the data is broken off onto its own line. Probably the templates should not force a new line(?). . - -sche (discuss) 21:44, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There needs to be a carriage return, otherwise I think the passage quoted won’t appear on the next line. I’d say just fixed these manually if spotted. — SGconlaw (talk) 05:37, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Turkic/kẹntü
Descendants' section. فين أخاي (talk) 14:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've done my best. I have my doubts about the placement of Kipchak and the removal of the additional information from Yakut though. Thadh (talk) 15:55, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

workers of the world, unite
A year ago, a long list of translations for this phrase was deleted from the Wikipedia article on the grounds that it was unreferenced. Now has added them all to our translation table with the edit summary "rescue from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Workers_of_the_world,_unite!&oldid=915760372". I have no clue which, if any of them, has problems, but that's the point: at the moment, no one has a clue.

Rather than spend my time changing all the ts to t-checks, I thought I would bring it up here so that those who have expertise in the languages added or changed can have a look. Pinging, who probably knows more of the languages in question than anyone else here. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:15, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I vouch for the following: (1) German (2) Romanian (3) Spanish (4) French (5) Russian (6) Dutch (7) Italian (8) Greek. - Dentonius (my politics | talk) 05:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Gee, that's a lot of translations. I will check many over time but I won't be able to check all. I actually dislike when people add t-checks without a good reason or on a slight suspicion. The translation have been added over time for a single, unambiguous gloss. I will only add t-checks to translations, which look wrong to me but not to languages I have no idea about. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 05:33, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If it helps any, I was just referring to the ones introduced in the one edit. The rest don't need any more attention than usual. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * it is simply not true that the list of translations for this phrase "was deleted from the Wikipedia article on the grounds that it was unreferenced." The edit summary for the deletion was "wikipedia is not a dictionary". Even if it were referenced, it has no place on Wikipedia. --Crash48 (talk) 10:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Not simply not true- the truth is more complicated. I made the mistake of looking at the edit history without checking the diff you linked to. Apparently it was initially deleted on the grounds that Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and the "Non-English usage: rm section tagged as unreferenced since 2015" edit summary was just an additional reason given while reinstating the version that had been undone by an IP. It was the second to last revision on the page and I didn't notice that the last revision on the page was an undo, or I would have clicked through to the next page of revisions and seen the original removal.
 * At any rate, we don't consider any wiki a valid source- we've banned several contributors for repeatedly adding large blocks of translations in languages they don't know that they sourced from other wikis. In this case you did it in good faith and it was just once, so you're okay. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have checked some, fixed Thai translit and removed some, which angered User:Crash48. I didn't consider some phrases in languages of the USSR in Roman script as valid. @Crash48 has provided some evidence on my talk page but it also involves language policies and CFI, so, I suggested to open up a new broader discussion. I don't want to decide on it myself and be later reverted. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 10:37, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/AleksiB 1945
Anyone who knows Hindi or any of the scripts belonging to that language family, please check AleksiB 1945's contributions! They're all over the place – incorrect language templates for languages that don't currently exist and the entries are also badly worded. He has been blocked for 24 hours, but if it's needed, I'll prolong it. --Robbie SWE (talk) 12:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Serbo-Croatian quotations
search for Marko Marulić, Judita. As and  show, it's misquoted and hr.wikisource has an totally incorrect text. Similary, other older Serbo-Croatian quotations could be totally incorrect too, just like 1611 KJV quotes (e.g. ) and 1545 Luther quotes (e.g. ) often are. --2003:DE:3729:1715:6DB5:A34:D973:FB86 14:09, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * IP, you are making mountains out of molehills. hr.wikisource has not incorrect texts, but normalized ones. Russian works are also conventionally used in reformed spellings; the Qurʾān is not quoted in rasm, the list goes on. It is desirable however to have both spellings. But it is not pressing to replace the normalized texts with the originals ones, because what we quote is the term itself, no matter how it is spelled. Which means an entry can have a quote with a differently spelled highlighted word (that also stands for the lexeme). Abstract from the spelling! Fay Freak (talk) 01:39, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, I started fixing the Judita quotes sometime last year but ran out of steam after a few entries. Such quotes shouldn’t be deleted, however, but restored to their original orthography, perhaps ideally with a modern/normalized spelling provided underneath (given that un-normalized quotes like the first one at or some of them at  can otherwise be incomprehensible to modern speakers). As  notes, normalized spelling isn’t generally a big deal. However, for Serbo-Croatian in particular it pays to be careful, as modern editions of texts often make normalization choices that are deliberately slanted to support one national agenda or another (for example, rendering  as  or  by authors who want to claim a text as “Croatian” or as  by those who want to claim it as “Serbian”, or otherwise trying to cleanse text of elements that could be seen as characteristic of other nationalities). Normalization always involves interpretation, and unfortunately sometimes causes the introduction of cultural elements or usage characteristics that would be alien to the writers of the actual texts, distorting the character of a term’s historical usage. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 15:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

adnominal
There are two etym sections, both indicating the same derivation. From what I can glean, it appears that these two are actually the same thing, and the two sections should be combined. If my impression is in error, then the etymology sections need to be expanded to further distinguish how these are different. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:47, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

= November 2020 =

Karpos
This was added by an IP notorious for obsession with magic and deities, combined with epic cluelessness and a total lack of awareness of how wrong they are most of the time (don't get me started about their Crimes against Japanese, or "single malt brandy").

After I removed the typical genealogical cruft (who really cares if the subject of the entry was "the son of Chloris/Flora and Zephyrus/Favonius, and the grandson of Eos/Aurora and Astraeus, and Oceanus and Tethys"), I checked Wikipedia. Lo, and behold, the subject of the Wikipedia article bears very little resemblance to the subject of the dictionary definition.

I'm not sure what needs to be done to fix it and I don't really want to spend my time on it, so I'll leave this to someone more interested in this sort of thing. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

angaw
Language "Kaxabu". DTLHS (talk) 19:46, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, we treat this as a dialect of 🇨🇬 (uun). I just checked the Blust Austronesian Comparative Dictionary, where they have it listed as Kahabu, which they say is a dialect of Pazeh. I had a little edit war with the same IP at udan, where they created an entry with no headword template under a "Kaxabu" header, I converted it to a Kulon-Pazeh entry, and they tried to add back their original entry. They geolocate to Taipei, so they ^may even belong to that ethnic group. At angaw, it's a bit muddier, since it's hard to tell whether they intended it as Kaxabu or Kavalan, and whether they wanted the definition as "fly (insect)" or "male name" (They were reverted in the middle of changes a couple of times). Chuck Entz (talk) 20:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

tolerate
I just blocked an IP who is almost certainly and tried to restore this entry to the way it was before his changes. The only problem is that the way it was before wasn't all that great either. It could use some attention. Chuck Entz (talk) 01:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Category:Hunsrik lemmas
With the other name "Riograndenser Hunsrückisch" (at Category:Hunsrik language) and the code hrx, the category is for a South-American variety. However, there are several entries with 1874, Peter Joseph Rottmann, Gedichte in Hunsrücker Mundart as source (e.g. Schlang, unn) which is not South-American Hunsrückisch but German Hunsrückisch. Hence the category needs to be purged and German Hunsrückisch be moved to something else. --Schläsinger X (talk) 10:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Ffffrr (talk) 02:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

砵
Headings need to be fixed. Oosbam1812 (talk) 14:49, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

𡿤
If it helps, I have found a quotation. So this probably isn't a ghost word or anything.

《字汇补·三》：疑即𡿠字之譌𡿛力罪切音垒山也𡿟渠妫切音葵人名见篇海𡿘疾棱切音层峻𡿘山峻也𡿙古低切音基义阙𡿤古颜切音间出吴韵𡿜力水切音垒𡿜㠑山貌𡿣士衫切音谗峻险也𡿢丘逵切音窥小山而衆也㠨翁律切音郁山烟貌

(https://ctext.org/dictionary.pl?if=gb&char=%F0%A1%BF%A4&remap=gb)

I know this is of almost no help, but Google Translate says "Suspicion is 𡿠word 譌𡿛force crime, Qiyin Lei Shan also Wu Yun𡿜li water cut sound barrier𡿜㠑mountain appearance𡿣Shishan cut sound is also steep and dangerous 𡿢Qiu Kuiqiyin glimpses the hills and the public also 㠨weng law cut sound Yushan smoke appearance".


 * That's not a quotation because it's from 字彙補. The character is not attested outside of 字彙補, so it is basically a ghost word. RcAlex36 (talk) 15:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

What's more is that it's also defined in the Kangxi Dictionary, according to here (https://zidian.qianp.com/zi/%F0%A1%BF%A4), even though the page itself says that it's not! It is defined as "《搜眞玉鏡》音閒. " there.


 * That's not a definition. It just says in《搜眞玉鏡》it has the pronunciation 閒. RcAlex36 (talk) 15:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

𥆞
OK, this one's pretty obvious. It's in the Kangxi Dictionary, for crying out loud! I don't know how to read the Kangxi Dictionary, but the Shuowen Jiezi says "目围也. " as the definition.

Apparently also synonymous with 醜! Here, have a look: https://ctext.org/dictionary.pl?if=gb&char=%F0%A5%86%9E&remap=gb

Thanks, and have a nice day! Oosbam1812 (talk) 15:03, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Cleaned up. --ItMarki (talk) 03:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

About Swedish
This page is very unorganized and unsorted. The header "Creating Swedish entries" is a mess, with too many subheaders, seemingly placed in a random order.
 * Mårtensås (talk) 08:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I rewrote the "Basic article" section. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 19:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

= December 2020 =

skiff
Anyone want to clean up the definitions of etymology 3, added in September? - -sche (discuss) 01:19, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I improved the definition based on what I read in a few books. There is more work to be done and I don't know the etymology.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 16:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

משמע
— فين أخاي (talk) 04:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

殷
Suboptimal formatting. Pinging, if you are interested. —Suzukaze-c (talk) 04:49, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

= January 2021 =

Pagadian
The etymology needs some clean up. — فين أخاي ( تكلم معاي · ما ساهمت ) 07:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

loan rendering
Equinox ◑ 06:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it’s well enough. You are just scared or to lazy to read, but for that case there is a definition already at the semicolon. Otherwise there isn’t a reason why a definition wouldn’t contain a whole botanical description, and I am a bit huffed that you are challenged exactly from my venture to remove all obscurity from the definition and uncover all obscurities and vaguenesses that lie in the concept itself. The longer the clearer, is that not so? In case one still does not understand what a loan rendering is, the page contains a second definition (which must also be there to distinguish from . As my gloss shows, the word is a not necessarily clearly defined interspace between a loan-creation and a calque to wit. There are even examples on the side. There are also graph trees, but if someone makes one would need to account for usage differences of some of the terms I created back then, like.
 * What do you and think of pages like  and ? I gave a whole botanical sketch and an agronomical contextualization, in the former more the former and in the latter more the latter, to make the denoted thing unmistakable from the definition in Wiktionary alone hopefully – should we aspire towards such or resign and own that Wiktionary won’t even be roughest identification book? We can’t just drop synonyms but have to define, and if the fines are many then the definition is long—even without one writing an encyclopaedia, for I have no propension to write any encyclopedia, it’s all only about what the word denotes and in which environments it is likely met. Fay Freak (talk) 11:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the definition could be clearer. Currently it is hard to understand, and a lot of what is stated could be moved into a usage note if it is thought valuable to retain. (Incidentally, the current contents of the etymology section seems plainly wrong.) I make no definitive comment at this time on whether the term loan rendering itself is sum of parts or not, though I am leaning towards “not”. — SGconlaw (talk) 11:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You should assume that the average reader doesn't speak German, and doesn't have advanced knowledge on the subject. What's more, they're likely to get lost in all the meanderings and asides.
 * Writing a clear and concise definition is very difficult, and involves judgment on what to leave out as much as what to leave in. What you wrote is more of an informal and lengthy explanation than a definition. Ungrammatical phases such as "but is a loan" don't help- it's possible to figure out what you mean, but that effort would be better spent understanding the concept.
 * As for "You are just scared or to lazy to read": that's exactly the wrong attitude. I would say that you're "scared or to[o] lazy to" write a definition that gets to the point and doesn't waste the reader's time. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * With acknowledgment that pictures don't work well for the visually impaired with current technology, I think the value of a picture exceeds the value of any reasonable verbal description. I usually prefer drawings to pictures.
 * Our definitions of most organisms are too brief, but IMO what they need is some discussion of why the organism might be interesting or important to the reader or to humanity (food, pathogen, decoration, source of chemicals, structural materials, unusual feature, cultural symbol, etc.) and perhaps where the organism might be found (for translation requests etc.). Hypernyms give the current beliefs about the evolutionary position of the organism. The purpose of an extensive set of links to other databases is to enable readers to go further. It is notable that few databases have verbal descriptions.
 * What is most distinctive about our treatment of organisms is coverage of etymology and vernacular names. DCDuring (talk) 15:50, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Fay Freak, I'm not too "scared or to [sic] lazy to read". Rather you seem too keen to write! I have no idea why Wiktionary attracts these people who want to spit a lot of mediaeval Anglish instead of explaining things in normal English that will help users to understand. As long as it feels good I guess. But you are harming the project. Equinox ◑ 13:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Shouldn’t we be keen to write? You are insulting me. I enriched it, including with this article. And some described things are just complicated – there was no argument yet that the term is not that vague. I can’t understand all definitions of this dictionary. But more often it is because the definitions are too vague and not because the described thing necessitated obscurity or open questions. Nor because my subjective knowledge of English would not suffice for the definitions, as I am in a dictionary too look up all anyway and as you basically admit that I am even uber-English by doing Anglish – although this has the form of a libel, I have never taken part in Anglish, nor do we have “medieval” English in this entry, nor do I ever gloss only in outdated terms. However I take care to give multiple definitions for a single sense to make sure there is no ambiguity. You see I find the gloss to be one definition. As I said after the semicolon there starts a new one; then again a new one; then there is also a definiton thereafter if one omits the German words, which are only optional, so I did not assume the average reader “speaking German” but additional benefit for the superordinary reader. Can you tell me your view of the clipped solo definitions?
 * I.e:


 * 1. An approximate translation of a formally foreign term
 * 2. a partial calque but not in the formal sense of a loanblend but in a qualitative sense of vaguely corresponding to foreign elements
 * 3. a loan resulting in the formation of a new lexeme but is a loan only in the sense of having a foreign inspiration, but not in the sense of having a direct correspondence (which would make a loan translation), or at least more of the former than the latter if one reckons that there is no clear line, but with discernible enough a connection to a foreign lexeme not to be a loan creation which last does not correspond to formally foreign elements at all but is a direct invention to render a concept.


 * The passage “or at least more of the former than the latter if one reckons that there is no clear line” is also optional, but it would lead to doubtful black-white distinction. Fay Freak (talk) 19:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

-ల and Telugu plural genitives
I think this is the right place to discuss this issue... if it isn't, I apologize in advance. When -ల was created, it was erroneously marked as the suffix for the accusative form of plural nouns, rather than the genitive/possessive. I recently fixed it and a couple other pages, but I think this error may have been duplicated on a large scale. Is there any way to bot that can fix all words with this suffix mistakenly marked as accusative? (Side note: the Telugu noun declension template probably also needs some reworking and increased usage.) MSG17 (talk) 17:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Mathia
It looks like the etymology was "borrowed" from Wikipedia- reference templates and all- with an academic-style footnote added citing Wikipedia as a reference, and the usual Wiktionary etymology templates. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Heide
Is this regional ==German== in which case the label is wrong, or really dialectal German in which case it would be ==East Central German==? --幽霊四 (talk) 13:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  woodland, forest

talpă
IMO too many cognates, presented in bad English. Beware of the oversensitive author. --Akletos (talk) 21:05, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What is “too many cognates”? If we don’t have an ancestor page to reconstruct then on one page there must be a cognate list. Myself I am known as someone who in general rather deletes “too many cognates” when they are avoidable without loss of explanation. In this particular case it is particularly relevant where or how far related words are spread. This basis paves the way for a conclusion about a possible ultimate origin of this etymologically difficult word family for which the cited author needs about ten book pages – a conclusion which is on this Wiktionary page also drawn, briefly summarizing the scholarship, which already took me several hours to read and recapitulate, so the claim in the RFC template that it is but a list of cognates that “leads nowhere” is false, and not only contradictory conduct – in the nominator’s original deletion of everything but the cognates – but also apparently ignorant about how an etymology about a difficult etymology can look like. This word history is like that. Fay Freak (talk) 14:29, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Look, Fairy Boy, I'm sorry if I should have hurt your feelings, but often when you write something English in the namespace it gets really embarrassing for the project and everyone trying to contribute something useful to it.
 * Your biggest problem is not that you don't know enough to contribute, but that you overestimate your knowledge and your language skills. Your English is just not good enough to write simple definitions, not to speak of longer passages on etymology. But because you think you're perfect you treat everyone that tries to correct your mistakes as an idiot that's not able to grasp your genius.
 * Etymological sections like on talpă sound like a from nineteenth century schoolmaster dabbling in historical linguistics in his sparetime. It's kind of cute and there's some merit in your industrious effort to find cognates but you lack the linguistic training to get the picture, to consider alternative explanations, and to see where you should refrain from a definite conclusion on a problem.
 * FWIW I would recommend that you at least contact a native speaker of English before you enter something in the namespace to check if it's ok, but I know that I would be preaching to deaf ears. Have a nice day. --Akletos (talk) 08:22, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

余
Conflation caused by shinjitai. 余<餘 (あまる、ヨ) ≠ 余<余 (われ、ヨ). —Suzukaze-c (talk) 23:23, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree that it should be two kanji entries, since that's also done with 弁. I went ahead and split it. Tespi40 (talk) 08:07, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

= February 2021 =

ごつ
From RFD. &mdash; surjection &lang;<tt>??</tt>&rang; 10:07, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

へつ
From RFD. &mdash; surjection &lang;<tt>??</tt>&rang; 10:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

cut
Sense "(cricket, of a shot) Played with a horizontal bat to hit the ball backward of point." Tagged, but not listed. &mdash; surjection &lang;<tt>??</tt>&rang; 10:15, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Not sure what there even is to cleanup. Fytcha (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

entropy
Any good thing explainers around for this topic? – Jberkel 10:08, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Having just now stumbled on this mess, I'll have a go, but a few words of caution: looking at the entropy Talk page, it is clear that some of the contributors to either the entry or the Talk page permitted their confidence to exceed their expertise or their grasp, either of the literature or of the history and physics of the fields involved. A lot of mopping up will be in order.
 * I suspect that it will end in my removing a lot of explanatory material and referring to Wikipedia for the details. The hard part will be in making the residue useful without being misleadingJonRichfield (talk) 08:46, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

= March 2021 =

Bocher
German, tagged by, but never listed. – Jberkel 18:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

冂
Middle Chinese is wrong? 72.76.95.136 23:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you explain what is currently wrong on the page? It seems fine to me. Sure, the Middle Chinese reconstruction seems off, but that does not necessarily make it wrong. ॥ ☼ সূর্যমান ☽ ॥ 14:46, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The modern Chinese forms do not reflect the Middle Chinese. Could they be two separate etymologies? Do we need to split them? 72.76.95.136 15:53, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * In that page there is a reference of the Kangxi Dictionary. It says 集韻：涓熒切音扃, which means that the pronunciation of 扃 existed back when the Jiyun was written. At the very least the pronunciation of 扃 should be included alongside 莫狄切.--ItMarki (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * (for context: currently ) It seems to be equivalent to 冖 . Entry on Yundianwang; Guangyun scan. —Suzukaze-c (talk) 02:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * That's right. It appears the two characters have been mixed up. One is ostensibly a variant of the other, but do we have any reliable sources confirming this, and which way does it go? 72.76.95.136 19:13, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

=May 2021=

Category:Sundanese romanizations
Per discussion here, I'd say all Latin entries be removed from this category. 72.76.95.136 19:15, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

वसु
This page requires severe cleanup and maintenance. The definitions are everywhere, and a lot of them don't make any sense. What sets "ray of light" and "particular ray of light" apart? What does "the the of the yoke of a plough" mean? And why are there twelve separate lines for names? TheTheRemover (talk) 19:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * A lot of our Sanskrit entries, such as this one, have been copied directly and basically unedited from the Monier-Williams Dictionary, which reveals that "the the of the yoke of a plough" is supposed to be "the tie of the yoke of a plough", which I've now corrected. But I agree that this, like at least 75% of our Sanskrit entries, needs to be cleaned up to look like a Wikionary entry instead of a Monier-Williams entry. —Mahāgaja · talk 21:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Language Category Edits by 2601:C8:281:8BB0:813C:EDD9:F7E4:118, etc.
I have lots of category pages on my watch list, so I wasn't surprised to see Category:Portuguese language there. When I checked, though, this IP had added Luxembourg and Switzerland to the list of countries where Portuguese is spoken. My surname is Swiss, so I'm fairly familiar with the languages spoken there. It's relatively complex, with Alemannic German, French, German Italian and Romansch all being important in one part or another- but not Portuguese.

It turns out that they've been adding and removing countries from the lists at a number of language-category pages. In some cases their edits made sense, in others they didn't, with no clear pattern. In some cases, such as Category:English language, both the before and after seem to have problems. I don't know if this is a vandal or a well-meaning person using some criteria I don't understand for what languages are spoken in which countries, and I don't really have the time or energy to sort all of this out.

Could someone who knows more than I do about the distribution of these languages check the edits in question? Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 04:00, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

= June 2021 =

plus ultra
Tagged by, never listed. – Jberkel 21:27, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Sent to RFD. This, that and the other (talk) 09:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Two socks of a long-time problem user
I saw some Samaritan Hebrew edits by and immediately thought of BedrockPerson aka יבריב aka AncientEgypt23 aka FourMastab aka NativeNames aka UkraineCityNameRepository, etc., etc., ad nauseam. So I ran checkuser on the account- confirmed. In the process, I found.

For those not familiar with this individual, they skip the boring stuff and launch right into cranking out entries in languages they don't know using advanced sources that they don't understand. They're so convinced of their brilliance that they get angry and even abusive when challenged (see ).

Their penchant for advanced subjects and advanced sources makes it hard for generalists like me to deal with the aftermath. I'd appreciate it if some of you who are knowledgeable in Egyptian and Semitic languages would take a look- and  come immediately to mind, and  has more experience than anyone would want with this moron... Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 04:55, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * In my humble, uneducated opinion, we should just nuke it all - having wrong content is worse than not having any. &mdash; surjection &lang;<tt>??</tt>&rang; 19:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , for future reference, Surj is right — when it comes to a user this bad, if we can't check it, we should nuke it. That's exactly what I've done for all the Samaritan Hebrew entries. The only thing left is for to take a look at Reconstruction:Egyptian/ḏd-pꜣ-nṯr-jw.f-ꜥnḫ. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 06:45, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It’s an old suggested reconstruction by Steindorff in the Zeitschrift für Ägyptische Sprache und Altertumskunde (volume 27), which, AFAICT, still remains plausible enough, if speculative. I must admit I don’t know my way around the literature surrounding well enough to say if anyone’s proposed anything better since then, though, or if scholarly opinion has settled on any different interpretation. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 07:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

The templates need to be cleaned up/changed according to our current standards, which includes adding the patemetrs y, m, and for , fragment or section (see ); quoting Chuck Entz: “The "dowork" part tells me that this is a relic of the pre-lua days, when people did all kinds of indirect and inscrutable things to get template syntax to do things it wasn't designed for.” J3133 (talk) 04:14, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

semi-learned borrowing
Existence of the term passed RFV, but the definition is contested. It needs updating to match the use in the citations.

Current definition is challenged as not matching the quotes. Kiwima (talk) 00:05, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The 'current definition' that was challenged is the one that was still extant on 14 June 2021 UTC, as the first or only given (as opposed to requested) meaning, the definition that required that a semi-learned loan be a development of a learned loan. That meaning was gone before 23 June 2021.  The term 'current' loses meaning without a time stamp. --RichardW57 (talk) 02:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC).

QQ糖
Tagged by. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 19:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * For the citations, how do we discern a specific type of candy from one brand from any squishy candy in general? --ItMarki (talk) 04:10, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

= July 2021 =

plural sending to unexistent singular
I was reading in that formgiving [book title!] (or formgivning [description below]) is Danish for design (actually, "the art of giving a form to something that previously hadn't"). I wanted to check if with <n> or not, and we have nothing in design except some vormgeving in NL, "designer" in SV as formgivare and SV formgivningen as plural for formgivning but link doesn't exist. Do we have a policy for inflected words without existent lemma? Sobreira ►〓 (parlez) 01:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No, and I don’t see why we should. Sometimes man creates a spelling and puts there everything he knows, including inflected forms of pages which to create would be another job. Fay Freak (talk) 01:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Coptic Entries Coming From a School IP
The IP range 69.67.82.94/20 geolocates to the Baltimore County, Maryland school district. Likewise, 100.18.42.190 is a Verizon IP that also geolocates to Baltimore and has been editing many of the same entries as well as some of their own. It looks like the same person has been editing both at school and on their own. has started to nominate some of the rather amateurish entries the first IP range has created, but I'm not sure if they're aware of the full scope of the Coptic contributions from all of these IPs. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:57, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

顧
Messy formatting, including two POS headers and one conflicting headword template. —Suzukaze-c (talk) 00:02, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I've had a go. How's that? Cnilep (talk) 04:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

= August 2021 =

तावत्
First of all, this isn't a "noun".

Also, this is one of the words that is difficult to translate into English, as it takes a syntactical role that's not easily paralleled in the English language. The best thing to do is to illustrate its usage with examples. (And there are many usage patterns!) --Frigoris (talk) 20:10, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Yola non-lemma forms
Recently, hundreds of non-lemma forms for Yola were erroneously added as lemmas. Can someone go in and fix them? --Numberguy6 (talk) 20:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

darkly
There are now dizzying lists of synonyms on each sense line. This is the result of numerous recent edits by User:96.39.65.90, though those edits probably include some improvements too. Equinox ◑ 18:24, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

=September 2021=

waterfall bong (2)
Was tagged in January 2019 by TheDaveRoss, who wrote: "definition needs a rewrite. Some of it seems likely wrong, some of it seems encyclopedic". I have changed the slang "marijuana" to "cannabis" but I don't really see the problem otherwise, unless the def is indeed wrong. Equinox ◑ 15:31, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

More duplicate translations boxes
Some more translation boxes that seem redundant to me:

--Fytcha (talk) 02:58, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * decline
 * "weakening" <-> weakening, diminution
 * "reduction of activity" <-> reduction, diminution
 * "cause to decrease or diminish" -> decrease, diminish
 * refuse -> refuse
 * bid
 * "to invite" -> invite
 * "to utter a greeting or salutation" -> greet
 * "to make an attempt" -> attempt, try
 * "attempt, effort, or pursuit (of a goal)" -> attempt, effort, pursuit
 * body
 * "corpse" -> corpse
 * "torso" -> torso
 * bend
 * "curve" -> curve (or at least make the description/example a bit less reminiscent of roads/road curves)
 * "knot" -> knot
 * "decompression sickness" -> decompression sickness


 * decay: "to rot" -> rot (,
 * --Fytcha (talk) 03:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * rise: "to assume an upright position after lying down or sitting" -> get up
 * rise: "to get up" -> get up (same as above)
 * rise: "to be resurrected" -> resurrect
 * --Fytcha (talk) 10:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * thou: "singular nominative form of you" -> you/translations
 * --Fytcha (talk) 09:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * why don’t you just replace the translation boxes you regard as duplicated with ? — SGconlaw (talk) 11:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Sgconlaw I would do it and I've done it in the past. The problem is, some of the ones I've listed here I'm not 100% confident about. bend "decompression sickness"->decompression sickness is a clear cut case for trans-see in my opinion, but consider for instance bend "curve"->curve. From my own semantic understanding of bend and curve in these senses, I'd say that it is warranted for there to be two separate translation boxes, though the problem is that the header of the translation box in bend says "curve" and thusly most translations focus on road curves instead of what bend more generally means. I don't know what to do in such a case and I hoped we could find a common consensus for such cases. In the end, I also don't wanna do a lot of work only to get it all rolled back later; I'm sure you understand this. That said, I'm gonna go ahead and replace the clear cut ones now. --Fytcha (talk) 12:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

武汉SARS, SARS
—Suzukaze-c (talk) 06:24, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/spituz
This page is a mess - showing descendants that should and already belong at. Not sure if should be feminine or masculine. Also, Old Norse descendant shown doesn't belong here. Leasnam (talk) 21:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Pages listed in User:Qnm/8 with raw rhyme
I don't know how to deal with them without making mistakes. Crowley666 (talk) 03:50, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Horn
 * Rhymes with:, , ,
 * mésalliance
 * Rhymes: dalliance
 * exordial
 * Rhymes: Exordial rhymes with primordial
 * tablemate
 * Rhymes: ,
 * Fixed and struck the Finnish ones &mdash; surjection &lang;<tt>??</tt>&rang; 12:15, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

= October 2021 =

lenitive
The dates in the quotations section are wrong.

withdrawal; bad definition (4) and similarly bad translation box
Definition 4 of reads: An act of withdrawing. However, as  also has multiple meanings (most importantly transitive and intransitive ones), the translations under  are a bit of mess right now. Definition 4 should be split up into two (corresponding to transitive and intransitive usage of ), and accordingly the translation box. Maybe a  is also an option for the military sense. Fytcha (talk) 11:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

阿公店
formatting; and do people really ever refer to the reservoir with the unqualified name "阿公店"? —Suzukaze-c (talk) 22:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Redundant content in, , , , possibly more.
All noun senses can be found in, we should also have just one article for the verb senses. The others shouldn't have redundant translation boxes, redundant definitions, pictures etc. It's probably best to replace them entirely by. Fytcha (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If translations are duplicated and equivalent you can move them to one entry and then direct to it with or   . – Jberkel 22:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The main problem that I have in face of this mess is that I don't feel qualified to judge which of the articles will have the honor to become the new main article.
 * With regards to replacing the translations with : Thank you for the advice, though I have already done this many times. In this particular case, there's too many to do it by hand (for me at least). Is there a tool to merge translation boxes? If not, I could write one. Fytcha (talk) 23:17, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If unsure, you could simply make the older article the main one. This is a common practice for altforms. However in this case I'd use the more "obvious", less slangy variant . You can also check with tools like Google ngrams to see which form is more common. Or pick the one which already has more translations. As you can see, many possibilities, and very few hard rules here (= sometimes messy entries). – Jberkel 23:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the advice, I feel more sure about the optimal course of action now. I will clean this up in a couple of days if nobody else will have done it by then. Fytcha (talk) 23:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that the “main” entry where the translations should be located should as far as possible be the most literal and easily understandable entry (in other words, avoid idiomatic expressions, or archaic or literary terms wherever possible). — SGconlaw (talk) 05:33, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Bot request:
Can somebody with a bot please replace with ? The list of articles can be found here and there should be no additional parameters from what I know (it shouldn't be replaced if there's additional parameters but pointed out to me if possible). Thanks in advance. Fytcha (talk) 11:09, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

= November 2021 =

Bot request: remove certain invisible characters
See. I've manually removed such symbols multiple times and those were only the ones I've noticed despite not seeing them. See also Grease_pit Fytcha (talk) 20:38, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Good idea. They usually belong to Duden :) I think there's now an abuse filter to avoid them slipping into page titles. – Jberkel 21:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, Duden is the root cause of these. The abuse filter works like a charm (having triggered it myself many times :) ) but we need checks in other places as well, e.g. when filling in translations into boxes (there's already so many checks going on there, why not add this one too?) as well as a cleanup of what is lingering in the database. Fytcha (talk) 02:18, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * pinging who has done similar cleanups. – Jberkel 12:28, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I created a list. The character should definitely be removed from links, but I'm not sure about quotations. — Eru·tuon 19:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I fixed all the links and left the rest as-is. The script also found an audio file with a soft-hyphen in its file name (I've requested a rename on commons). – Jberkel 22:38, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * From links, but not etymologies and definitely not image descriptions. The character exists because it has legitimate use. Fay Freak (talk) 00:42, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, misread this one. What is it used for (in this diff)? – Jberkel 00:47, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This particular ones probably do little, but it should maximize space use in long etymologies, and make them closer to justification format, which we lack as long as they aren’t inside templates. Fay Freak (talk) 09:46, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Bot request: Dangling glossary links
I've just noticed, some pages such as the introductory page About Romanian page refer to the wrong glossary, in this particular case Glossary instead of Appendix:Glossary. This leads me to believe that nobody has cared to check and fix all links upon. Can somebody with a bot do this work please? Fytcha (talk) 02:16, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The two glossaries perform different functions; read the descriptions at the top. Jan's edit was (mostly) in line with this difference. Ultimateria (talk) 18:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to tell me. I wasn't questioning the legitimacy of the move, I'm just pointing out that the links were not redirected when that move was carried out and as such have been dead for years. Fytcha (talk) 19:15, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Gerlach and Gerlachus
Very confusing etymologies. In the former article, there are four (modern!) languages that claim to have lent their word to Latin. Fytcha (talk) 20:49, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

낡
—Suzukaze-c (talk) 05:03, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

= December 2021 =

fail safe, fail-safe (verb)
Fail safe is defined as an alternate form of, specifically the verb sense. The hyphenated version has two verb definitions, one transitive which I am aware of -- to make something fail-safe. The second definition is intransitive -- to fail into a safe state. The two pages also indicate different conjugations, one modifying fail and the other modifying safe. Is it true that they are conjugated differently? If so how should that be indicated? Is the intransitive sense just SOP? - TheDaveRoss  14:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

瑅瑭
—Suzukaze-c (talk) 08:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Category:Plurals with a red link for singular
FYI that this exists if anyone wants to help out: types of entry include (1) Luxembourgish plurals which link to themselves instead of their singulars (Aarbechtskämpf), (2) Vilamovian entries where the pagenames have diacritics which are stripped from the links so either the pagename or the diacritic-stripping needs to be changed, like cȧjgjerynn-cȧjgjeryn, (3) entries that will be cleared from the category by a null edit, present because someone created them (sometimes months ago!) before creating the singular (dancerettes), and (4) entries where someone deleted the singular but forgot to delete the plural (adhesinomes, dames d'attendre, Excelências), plus some old vandalism (Beviers). - -sche (discuss) 20:49, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

= January 2022 =

-ible
Lots of duplicate information with -able. --Fytcha (talk) 19:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Burenwurst
Tagged and  almost 5 years ago but not listed. Burenwurst is easily cited as German, Hasse seems more difficult, should possibly be sent to RFV (and be converted to Bavarian if it fails). The comments regarding the ux'es are right though, technically they're in the wrong language. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 05:25, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


 * "Translated" the one in Burenwurst. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 05:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure "Hasse" should be moved to Haße regardless of whether it winds up being labeled German or Bavarian. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:53, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems to get written as Haaße to emphasize the long a, as in the ux and the quote. – Jberkel 11:27, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Category:English terms with alpha privatives and Category:English words prefixed with a- (not)
These categories seem to cover the same ground. Which one should be kept? (The latter one may be more in line with how our other prefix and suffix categories are named.) — SGconlaw (talk) 18:25, 14 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I feel like keeping the second would make more sense. Vininn126 (talk) 18:34, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, the latter is the one to keep. Entries can be added to it automatically by writing en in the etymology section. —Mahāgaja · talk 18:59, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * is this something we could clean up by bot? — SGconlaw (talk) 11:23, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

should "Category:English terms with alpha privatives" now be cleaned up? I also noticed that some terms in that category are prefixed with an- rather than a-, such as. ("Category:English words prefixed with a- (not)" has been replaced by "Category:English terms prefixed with a- (not)".) — Sgconlaw (talk) 15:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Sgconlaw IMO yes, we should move terms in Category:English terms with alpha privatives to Category:English terms prefixed with a- (not). As for the terms in an-, I added the ability a couple of months ago to map from one affix to another for categorization purposes, so we could merge Category:English terms prefixed with a- (not) with Category:English terms prefixed with an-. I don't think the support is there to do that conditionally on id, but I can add that. The only thing is there are two an- prefixes. However, since all the terms in Category:English terms prefixed with an- appear to use the privative variant except for archaic anslaight, I'm thinking of making the bare an- without ID map to a- (not). This means if you define anoxia using en or whatever, it will display as an- but categorize into Category:English terms prefixed with a- (not). Benwing2 (talk) 20:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * shouldn’t entries prefixed with an- be separately categorized into “Category:English terms prefixed with an-”? It might be clearer to keep the two categories separate. — Sgconlaw (talk) 05:23, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sgconlaw Since they are merely phonological variants of each other, with no meaning difference, I would argue they should be merged. It is similar to the in-/il-/im-/ir- prefixes in Latin and the various vowel-harmonic suffixes in languages like Turkish, Azerbaijani and Finnish. Benwing2 (talk) 05:30, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. OK. — Sgconlaw (talk) 05:57, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

= February 2022 =

hook, line and sinker
English.


 * RFC concerns the translations. Reason given: "there are verbs, right?" &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 22:25, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I think in cases like this, it's OK to have translations that don't perfectly match the English as long as they're labeled as such, as is the case with the Finnish and Icelandic translations here. Sometimes one language's idioms don't match another language's idioms perfectly and the best solution is to show the closest corresponding idiom, even if it has a different grammatical function (verb vs. adverb). —Mahāgaja · talk 08:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed, there should be a qualifier or "no equivalent, but see". Vininn126 (talk) 12:54, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Kushan
—Fish bowl (talk) 06:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Appendix:Old Chinese Swadesh list
Very messy appendix riddled with inconsistencies in the choice of reconstruction. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 00:10, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * For the reconstruction, should we use Zhengzhang or Baxter-Sagart? --ItMarki (talk) 13:09, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

= March 2022 =

遤
—Fish bowl (talk) 15:11, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Genelingo56
This new user went on a translation-adding spree, including translations for an implausibly large number of unrelated languages. What caught my eye initially, though, were Old English translations for phrasebook entries such as how do I get to the airport. I reverted large blocks of their edits just to be on the safe side (basically, everywhere they added an Old English translation for a modern concept), but the reverted edits call into question all the unreverted edits, as well.

I would appreciate it if those who know the languages in question would check their translations- I know better than to rely on my own limited knowledge for that. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 03:54, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

William Dunbar (beuch, etc)
is sometimes cited for Scots, sometimes for English and sometimes for Middle English. That doesn't add up. --Astova (talk) 19:54, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Scots: beuch, drublie, dule, fuck, nicht, wallidrag.
 * English: bog, deligent, ybent, grewhound, mimmerkin, rethor, tyrant
 * Middle English: fewte (being dated as "Late 15th early 16th century")
 * It does add up. The same text may have characteristics of multiple languages. Man writes Egyptian Arabic as Standard Arabic, Edmund Spenser writes Middle English, East Slavs write Surzhyk and Trasyanka. Quotes are categorizing for a certain language but are not categorized as in a certain language, this is but your idée fixe. Fay Freak (talk) 16:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing this out: the fewte entry has several problems; the Dunbar work was composed to mark a 1503 wedding, so cannot be Middle English (which ends in 1500); several other quotes in that entry are also misdated or misassigned, including two of the "Middle English" quotes being given dates of 1880 and 1980 (the 1880 one is in fact 1464, the 1980 one is c. 1513 and thus also in the wrong language section). An author could write in both English and Scots, but we should check whether this is the case or some quotes have been misassigned. Likewise, it's plausible (if, yes, a bit weird) that an author who published one thing in, say, 1469 and another in 1501 would have written in both Middle English and modern English/Scots, but we should check that this is the case, since it wasn't for the fewte quote (which was misdated). - -sche (discuss) 21:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I have read of various somewhat arbitrary dates being cited as marking the "break" between Middle English and Early Modern English. OED says 1500; says 1450; and others (who?) have said 1470. I suppose that one could place different kinds of documents written in the same year in different language periods. For example, private writings of someone born in the first half of the 15th century, not living in London and environs, and not part of the government or educated elite might be deemed Middle English even if written after 1500, whereas perhaps some official or learned texts following Chancery Standard spelling from before 1450 might possibly be deemed EME. Features internal to a text might influence the choice of period, such as use of more modern spellings, lack of certain inflections, etc. This leaves a lot of room for sound judgment, which is not something most contributors can provide in this regard. Maybe talk pages would be a good place for explanations of the placement of citations. It would also not be unreasonable to place citations of ambiguous placement into ME or EME in both ME and English sections, though one would not want to rely too much on such citations to determine the placement of a term in one period rather than another.  should contribute to discussions of policy or practice in this area. DCDuring (talk) 15:06, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe we could have an Appendix that assigned ME or English to certain (editions of) certain texts to provide a central repository of wisdom and discussion on these matters. DCDuring (talk) 15:11, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I consider ME and modE to be just different periods of a single language, I don't think of it as a distinction between two separate languages. I don't mind what editors do on ME entries as long as I can still use ME citations to support an "English" word. As for setting a date, it's really a purely arbitrary decision since the texts show a slow continuum from one to the other. I would think ME editors can use texts from up to the 1520s or so, but using "judgement" to decide which features make a text Middle English and which make it modern English is kind of just admitting that the distinction doesn't have any real meaning, which is why I don't find it very helpful. Ƿidsiþ 19:00, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes - I broadly agree with this. The idea that a quotation from 1503 can't support ME because the cut-off must be 1500 is absurd. Theknightwho (talk) 16:39, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Since we treat Middle Scots as Scots, the quotes of Tua Mariit Wemen (beuch, nicht, wallidrag) and Meditatioun In Wyntir (drublie, dule) are correct (as Scots). OTOH, most "English" quotes are actually Scots: the quote in deligent is (post-1500) Scots, the 1508 quote in ybent was also Scots, likewise the misdated grewhound cite, and the mimmerkin cite which was furthermore not assigned to the right sense if the DSL is to be believed. Part of the issue seems to be people taking Google Books's dating of some later long-post-humous collection as the date of the work, and part is people not distinguishing (whether because they don't think there should be a distinction, or for another reason) Scots from English. rethor failed RFV. That leaves us to check the language of the 1503 Brash of Wowing cite of fuck, the 1507 cite of tyrant, and the 1513 cite of bog. - -sche (discuss) 01:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The tyrant and bog cites are not English, so I moved them to Scots. The fuck cite was already given as Scots. I think this means everything is in the right place now. - -sche (discuss) 23:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

evacuation
English. Senses and translation boxes don't match. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 00:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Russian words/phrases without stress marks
I work with the data from Wiktionary for my ebook stress app and noticed that are about 160 words or phrases without stress. My Russian skills are unfortunately not good enough to correct them myself:

Note that if a word occurs here it does not mean that the base entry for the word has that error, it could also be in some sort of declension table or reference on another page. So maybe one has to dig a bit:
 * шашия
 * медицинское
 * бальза́му на́ душу
 * Френкель
 * лады
 * зангидский
 * сложное вещество
 * образованщина
 * медицинское состояние
 * бутах
 * марал
 * газированная
 * солнечная вспышка́м
 * бе-бе
 * Мелетий
 * третья
 * бог знает кака́я
 * Исаак
 * Халкедон
 * бог знает како́му
 * при́ смерти
 * Север
 * буту
 * тарбуш
 * половой
 * исчо
 * Пальмирена
 * бальза́м на́ душу
 * хахаха
 * синенький
 * Тиньков
 * солнечная вспышка́ми
 * яркой
 * безгневный
 * буты
 * солнечная вспышко́й
 * Шахрияр
 * рабо́чими днями
 * пойма́л мыша
 * бальза́мом на́ душу
 * солнечная вспышке́
 * бута
 * третьих
 * бальза́мам на́ душу
 * и.о.
 * Великороссия
 * постность
 * солнечная вспышки́
 * облоко
 * гав-гав
 * бог знает како́м
 * Свердловых
 * бальза́мах на́ душу
 * я русский
 * бутом
 * ото
 * балабиль
 * бог знает како́е
 * сделай сам
 * не́ от чего
 * по́ хую
 * Марія
 * оба-на
 * Тартус
 * Хулагу
 * Восточный Туркестана
 * бутами
 * Дэвид
 * Хама
 * Кааба
 * до́ смерти
 * буте
 * Ксаверій
 * бальза́мов на́ душу
 * хафизский
 * Свердлова
 * присходит
 * третьем
 * шептало
 * Шамбала
 * бальза́ма на́ душу
 * солнечная вспышко́ю
 * когда ра́к на горе́ сви́стнет
 * кровь и́з носу
 * аппетит приходит во время еды
 * космические станции
 * правоверный
 * Макарий
 * э-э-э
 * бог знает каки́е
 * Маленко
 * сам по себе
 * как таковой
 * мурза
 * мелькит
 * не́ от кого
 * Восточный Туркестану
 * сарабанда
 * бог знает каки́х
 * бутам
 * да-а
 * туго́й на́ ухо
 * бальза́мами на́ душу
 * с но́г на́ голову
 * Восточный Туркестане
 * агенство
 * бальза́ме на́ душу
 * дана
 * равноапостольность
 * Туран
 * Игнатий
 * бог знает каки́м
 * бог знает каки́ми
 * о-о
 * ярманка
 * бог знает каку́ю
 * for микроволновая печь
 * Восточный Туркестаном
 * ебана
 * тяв-тяв
 * бутов
 * Уокингема
 * доброго времени суток
 * абы
 * Свердловы
 * Оденат
 * пендос
 * кабы
 * пыльность
 * Аверроэс
 * Сампсикерамид
 * бог знает како́й
 * хуясе
 * ка́к бы то ни́ было
 * никой
 * балет-феерия
 * жила
 * внутреннюю
 * Францискъ
 * жило
 * подо
 * обо
 * округа
 * простое вещество
 * не́ к чему
 * ешь не спеша
 * десятиричное
 * of низкий
 * кы-кы
 * даны
 * бог знает како́ю
 * мелькитский
 * солнечная вспышка́
 * како́й у тебя телефо́н
 * солнечная вспышку́
 * бог знает како́го
 * Берит
 * солнечная вспышка́х
 * среднего
 * бальза́мы на́ душу
 * бэ-бэ
 * юла юла́
 * ра́з в году и па́лка стре́ляет
 * не́ к кому
 * симпотичный

--MrBeef12 (talk) 10:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

厼
Odd, slightly messy formatting; and the information provided at Talk:厼 should be used somewhere. —Fish bowl (talk) 01:21, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

= April 2022 =

修羅
Japanese. Tagged by User:Haplology in 2011 with the edit comment, "i can't sort the good from the bad". I didn't find any discussion here or on the page, so I'm not really sure what the issues are. Cnilep (talk) 05:24, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I've had a go at cleaning the Japanese section. Cnilep (talk) 01:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd wager that the problem is that it was created by User:Mare-Silverus, who authored numerous dodgy religion, cultural, and magyckall entries (一目瞭然 authorship) that still remain today. —Fish bowl (talk) 04:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

‐
Translingual. This is purportedly a Translingual entry, but only English examples are offered. Either the senses should be moved to an English entry, or non-English examples (of e.g. Punctuation mark sense 2.1) should be added. Conjunction sense 2 is likely English-specific. This, that and the other (talk) 11:49, 2 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I've added cites to several of the senses, but I'm sceptical (and only more so if we change it to English) that the two conjunction senses are distinct senses. It seems like there's one sense, "Joins the components of compounds", which can be used for either of those types or others which currently go unmentioned; two senses seems a bit like having separate senses at for


 * 1) Begins an ellipsis
 * 2) Constitutes the middle dot of an ellipsis
 * No? - -sche (discuss) 18:52, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Do other languages create newly-formed adjectives (like newly-formed) using hyphens? It seems to me that many of the examples here are achieved in other ways in other languages. To my understanding, French uses hyphens in a very limited way, to form nouns only (like ); we don't even have a Category:French compound adjectives. And I think the situation is the same for other Romance languages. What about Germanic languages? This, that and the other (talk) 02:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, I see that your point is to make the sense more general. That's a great idea, but then we can have language-specific entries for how different languages use hyphens. This, that and the other (talk) 02:10, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * No? - -sche (discuss) 18:52, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Do other languages create newly-formed adjectives (like newly-formed) using hyphens? It seems to me that many of the examples here are achieved in other ways in other languages. To my understanding, French uses hyphens in a very limited way, to form nouns only (like ); we don't even have a Category:French compound adjectives. And I think the situation is the same for other Romance languages. What about Germanic languages? This, that and the other (talk) 02:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, I see that your point is to make the sense more general. That's a great idea, but then we can have language-specific entries for how different languages use hyphens. This, that and the other (talk) 02:10, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

ראשית
The definition line should probably be split and/or reformatted. 70.172.194.25 06:45, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Yet more Polish Cleanup (Hopefully botable?)
Also so they can add/be aware. I have been polling random people (editors and non-editors) about two potential changes:
 * 1) Most people show a preference for using  in ety sections. It would match the style we have now with our other templates, and also I suppose is the most efficient character wise. I believe this would be doable by checking any ety section with /, /, and potentially (?)/ as well as  IN THE SAME ETY. It might also be able to look for "analyzable as", "equivalent to", "synchronically analyzable as". Most people show a preference to have option 3 in my sandbox, so . . I'm not sure if there is a standard already in place.
 * 2) Using . This is seems to have more mixed reviews - MOST readers I asked prefer it over the label template, but not all. It's slightly more character efficient (now that I made shortcuts). It seems this template was made and then never used, does anyone know why? If there's a reason, we can continue as we have it now. I think the best way to make the switch would be send the bot to check for any relational label in the definition bar and then check the nearest etymology, and then absorb the definition as a t= (perhaps with a link?) and I'm not sure about the gloss (if we go through with this, that is). Vininn126 (talk) 15:02, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'ma move this to the grease pit. Vininn126 (talk) 19:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

a.
English. The entry lists 59 possible things that "a." could stand for, without any context. I can't see how anyone would find this useful. Surely modern typographical conventions would see many of these sense appear without the ".", but I am happy to find no comparable list at a. Is it worth sending some of these to RFV, or even brutally attacking the list with the secateurs of speedy deletion? This, that and the other (talk) 14:23, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * It's a long list, but what do you expect for such a short abbreviation? It's bound to be highly polysemous. I don't think any warrant speedy deletion, but if any seem doubtful to you, it would be entirely right for you to add s. As the entry stands, however, I don't see anything in need of being cleaned up. 0DF (talk) 09:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @0DF There are three issues:
 * The entry does not contain a single context label. Surely most of these senses only appear in a specific context - otherwise how would you know which of the 59 senses was meant? That is definitely a cleanup job.
 * The entry title includes a dot at the end. This is a slightly dated typographical convention and I suspect the dot is not a mandatory part of the abbreviation for many of these senses. I might list this situation at WT:RFM.
 * Some senses may simply not be attestable. ("Altitude intercept"? "Annealing"?) I would send various senses to RFV but they are obviously extremely challenging to verify, so in order not to clog RFVE, this needs to be done with care and some preliminary background research - which is tedious when there are so many spurious senses.
 * This, that and the other (talk) 23:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

a konto
The Norwegian Bokmål etymology section could probably be simplified or formatted in a more digestible way. The detailed treatment probably belongs on the Italian page or something? 70.172.194.25 17:36, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

= May 2022 =

Jin
Is that river extant? GEOnet does not have it. . The whole entry needs to be revamped honestly. Here's a map where I should have but didn't find the river: --Geographyinitiative (talk) 12:07, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

dual
Noun sense #3 "(grammar) dual number The grammatical number of a noun marking two of something (as in singular, dual, plural), sometimes referring to two of anything (a couple of, exactly two of), or a chirality-marked pair (as in left and right, as with gloves or shoes) or in some languages as a discourse marker, "between you and me". A few languages display trial number." - TheDaveRoss  14:13, 24 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I just deleted all that detail. It belongs in Wikipedia (I added a wikipedia box to that end). This, that and the other (talk) 06:36, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

= June 2022 =

ছাগলী
Bengali. It has an Assamese declension template. This, that and the other (talk) 09:02, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Xhosa
This English entry is the only page in Category:Xhosa terms with audio links. The audio template is in the etymology, and demonstrates the click sound that is spelled with "Xh" in Xhosa. That's nice, but English speakers don't use clicks, and AFAIK, Xhosa speakers wouldn't say it without a noun-class prefix. I'm not really sure what to do with this, Chuck Entz (talk) 06:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Better now? —Mahāgaja · talk 13:47, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, the category wasn't really the problem, just what brought it to my attention. The conceptual dilemma (a pronunciation file that's inherently incorrect for both English and Xhosa, but sort of illustrates why the term starts with an "X") is still there. if an English entry treated a Yoruba term in a similar way, what would you think? Chuck Entz (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say it's exactly wrong for English; there are English speakers who know how to make clicks, and those who do are likely to do so when uttering this word. I'll bet a good proportion of native English speakers in South Africa, not to mention linguists who like to show off (myself included), do refer to this language as when speaking English. —Mahāgaja · talk 08:17, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

These seem to have been created by an over-zealous IP. The etymologies make me question competence (see "mutant version" on BA.2), and they're filled with redlinks that have never been filled out.

I thought it was worth bringing them here to see if we can turn them into something suitable, as they're right on the fringe of what we include. Theknightwho (talk) 16:12, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

einspeichen
German. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 11:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Deism
English. Encyclopaedic, and the register is too informal. Theknightwho (talk) 01:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

crèche
Dutch.

The English translation 'crèche' has four rather different meanings. Which ones do the Dutch word translate to? --RichardW57m (talk) 11:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Based on the synonyms, it's the 'day nursery' meaning. I added the gloss. It could, of course, have other senses as well. —Mahāgaja · talk 12:57, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Nee, er is maar één betekenis voor het woord 'crèche' in het nederlands, en dat is dagopvang voor kleine kinderen. Zie de Dikke van Dale. Template verwijderd.
 * No, There is only one meaning of the word 'crèche' in Dutch, and that is 'day nursery'. See the Big van Dale dictionary. Template removed. --Hops Splurt (talk) 23:58, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

= July 2022 =

old hat
English. Currently listed as a noun, but the quotations look like adjectives to me. --217.229.79.41 15:37, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Looks like a noun to me. What's the issue? Equinox ◑ 15:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like an adjective to me too. The syntax of "he makes it seem old hat", "It is old hat for a sex scandal to bring down a politician", "perhaps the queen is old hat", and especially "feels kind of old hat at this point" is compatible with its being an adjective, not with its being a noun. Compare also "What's more old hat than robots!", which is also compatible with being an adjective, but not with being a noun. —Mahāgaja · talk 16:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * But you can't say "she's an old hat queen" or "that's very old hat" (???), can you? Let's check other dictionaries made by smarter people. --  On what grounds do you call  it an adjective in "It is old hat for a sex scandal to bring down a politician" (your example)? I could replace "old hat" with "a travesty" (noun) or "horror" (noun). Equinox ◑ 21:34, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * From a translation of Dostoyevsky: "everybody already knows they're stupid and too old hat to waste precious time on." From a 1972 magazine: "a care for the English language may seem a far cry from pacifism and very “old hat" indeed". From a 1956 journal: "Were Winston Churchill's skills too “old hat” and out-of-date to prevent him from carrying Great Britain through the difficult crises of World War II?". From a 1984 journal: "If, as the City now suggests, ' said Boydell, 'the Mies building is "old hat”, then the Mansion House is very old hat and St Paul's Cathedral very, very old hat.'"
 * I rest your case. DCDuring (talk) 00:08, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Finding unusual rare cases that meet an adjective proves that it can be an adjective, I guess? Although "this place is too Pizza Hut for me" doesn't really convince me that Pizza Hut is an adjective. However, it does not prove that it isn't also a noun. Take basic philosophy before you try to "rest my case", you peasant. Equinox ◑ 00:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * OED has an archaic noun sense for the vulva (seriously) and then colloquial "in predicative use" (what the hell does that mean? noun apologetics?) for "something considered to be old-fashioned, out of date, unoriginal, or hackneyed", and a second adj sense "that has become old-fashioned; hackneyed". This suggests that OED people are idiots really. Do you think they are scared of us? In any case they seem to be on DCDuring's adjectival side of the fence. Equinox ◑ 00:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Proper nouns are often used that way; common noun less so (!"That is such a White House approach" vs. *"That is such a white house approach").
 * I don't think that we can find much idiomatic use of old hat in this sense with modification be any determiners. DCDuring (talk) 01:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In "It is old hat for a sex scandal to bring down a politician" you could replace old hat with a travesty or a horror, but the indefinite article is required. If old hat were a noun, we would say *"It is an old hat for...", but we don't. In all of the examples, old hat is replaceable with an unambiguous adjective like unfashionable but not with an unambiguous noun like chestnut (without the indefinite article). It is true that it's rare in attributive use (and usually hyphenated when it is attributive), but Google Books reveals "an assumption whose implausibility is, by now, rather an old-hat point, although I think a correct one", "Oftentimes, 'bidding' a job is an old-hat way to pit people against each other", and "That's an old hat view" (apparently without a hyphen) —Mahāgaja · talk 07:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Are you saying that there is some kind of grammatical grinder, unknown to Chomsky, that turns nouns into adjectives when there isn't a determiner? I mean, in your sentence, I could say "it is incest for an X to do a Y" (in the same way I might say "it is incest for a brother to fuck a sister"). The fact that Adj and N can both occupy the same position in some made-up sentence proves nothing! Equinox ◑ 11:47, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Chomsky is well aware of how parts of speech change into other parts of speech. And it's true that mass nouns like incest don't take an indefinite article either, so it is in principle possible for old hat to be a mass noun in "It is old hat for a sex scandal to bring down a politician". But mass nouns like incest still can't be modified with adverbs like extremely (*It is extremely incest for a father and mother to fuck their son at the same time), whereas adjectives can (Google Books has plenty of uses of extremely old hat meaning "extremely old-fashioned" and not referring to ancient headwear). —Mahāgaja · talk 11:59, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeeees, but is it "extremely (old hat)", or "(extremely old) hat". OK, you win, well done. Equinox ◑ 13:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't think any of the citations in the entry for the sense under discussion support the sense being that of a noun. They are all for predicate use without a determiner. DCDuring (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

me too
English.

There is a translation table for a sense that was deleted. keeps trying to remove it, but I hate to see good translations just erased. Can someone find the correct entry for these translations, and add any of them to that entry that aren't already there? Chuck Entz (talk) 15:00, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

麒麟
While I appreciate the effort put into the etymology section, it has become too long and not concise. e.g. it mentions the appearance of the animal in the first sentence, which should better stay in the definitions; the paragraph beginning with The "giraffe" sense of …… contains information that should be listed under JKV etyms instead; the last paragraph spends 2.5 lines quoting Janhunen (2011), which is very unnecessary. -- Wpi31 (talk) 09:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

= August 2022 =

Category:Cantonese jyutping
Some of the pages only include a few characters (often rare ones), e.g. dai1, fat1, and aren't really usable despite being linked from the pronunciation boxes. Most of these (if not all) are added by @User:Bumm13. The appendix pages contains way more useful information (even though it might contain a few errors here and there), which IMO could be trivially added to the mainspace entries using a bot. -- Wpi31 (talk) 05:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Haoreima
Often lacking headwords. The manual categories are also often incorrect. Needs proper definition templates. See e.g.. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 02:00, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

橻
Korean.

I believe that what is under the Translingual header should be under the Korean header. DCDuring (talk) 01:34, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * All the stuff about the character itself belongs under Translingual. Only the definitions seem out of place. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Balltari
This user apparently doesn't understand things like headword templates and what the language codes in etymology templates are for. I went through their edits and made the minimal corrections, but I was a bit sleepy and caught myself making some absent-minded mistakes. I also don't know that much about Albanian, so my edits are better than nothing, but that's about it.

Also, although they've given references, I suspect they're continuing the long Wiktionary tradition of &lt;ahem>...imaginative... Albanian etymologies. I'll leave that to others who know more to determine.

At any rate, I'd appreciate it if someone would go through and check my work and, more importantly, pick up where I left off in making real Wiktionary entries out of these. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 02:35, 28 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Looks like I got their user name wrong- fixed. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:49, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It turns out that they had their account renamed, so I wasn't mistaken at all, just going on old information. Pinging, who asked about this user on my talk page. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:33, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Chuck Entz They've used the nonstandard header "Old Albanian" on quite a few entries. Theknightwho (talk) 19:36, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

= September 2022 =

Appendix:Cannabis_slang
Awhile ago I nominated a glossary of drinking slang for deletion on the grounds that the page was so full of obviously false entries that it provided no useful supplment to thesaurus:drunk. This page seems to be of a higher quality to me and I dont want to see it deleted, but if people are interested Im sure it could at least be trimmed down. It seems that someone has already nominated this for cleanup before, but that link goes nowhere, so I wonder if the request was just bypassed as we had other things going on. All the best, — Soap — 21:00, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I suspect there are many made up terms here. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 06:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/StuckInLagToad
User leaves a trail of nonsense behind (detailed on their talk page) and is also unwilling to clean it up after it has been pointed out to them, most glaringly by adding nonsense translations but the lack of stress marks and genders is also pretty annoying (Stryjewka). A block is already warranted in my opinion. CC who has also aired his complaints on the talk page. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 19:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * : I think the problem is that they seem to have very little depth of knowledge in any subject or language (I wonder how old they really are), so their main focus is on figuring out ways to come up with content to add rather than getting the details correct.


 * If you follow the Wikipedia links in the examples you gave, it's pretty obvious that they got their translations from the Wikipedia articles and from the other Wikipedias in the interwiki links. When you pointed out they were coming up with unattestable nonsense, they stopped doing that. Judging by their edits to dawn redwood, it looks like their current method is taking definitions from the other Wiktionaries that have entries for a term. Like the Wikipedia method, this is a really bad idea, since people on wikis make stuff up all the time, and without knowledge of the grammar or morphology of other languages it's impossible to be sure whether the definition is a description, an improvised calque of the English, or an actual term that people use in the language to refer to the item in question. On top of that, there's a lot of unwritten information that needs to be spelled out for translations and headwords here, and they have no way to fill that in or even know that it's missing. They added a Khmer translation to that entry: I have a degree in Linguistics and decades of experience in extracting information from languages I don't know, and I would never add a Khmer translation without spending a lot of time getting up to speed on the language. As the saying goes, "fools rush in where angels fear to tread."


 * If you point out that they're making mistakes, they stop making those mistakes and change their methodology so the mistakes they make from then on are different. This makes correcting them a constantly moving, vague target. The truth is that there are no foolproof ways to come up with content in areas one knows basically nothing about, so no matter what specific things you tell them to do or not to do, it won't fix the underlying problem. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:16, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I agree with your analysis. Unfortunately, it seems like they've stopped editing altogether following my message on their talk page which is a pity because en.wikt is not exactly brimming over with editors. This makes me think of User_talk:Hans-Friedrich_Tamke where I have perhaps also "scared away" an editor (which is very unfortunate) but OTOH I think I've been pretty calm and objective in my comments so I don't find much fault with my behavior. Just an unfortunate set of circumstances... &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 16:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Haha, your "some points…" is a 12-step laundry list, that is a bit intimidating (and makes it difficult to reply). It's a tricky balance. – Jberkel 16:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair point. I was just listing what I've observed and didn't think about this aspect. I'll keep it in mind. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 17:09, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

盆景
Japanese. Just has a pronunciation at the moment. Theknightwho (talk) 03:20, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

hackney
This article needs a serious overhaul. Here are the main problems:
 * Lots of missing, , and tags
 * Very few quotes
 * Many unhelpful and repetitive senses

We also need better integration between this article and the forms Hackney and hackneyed.

Ioaxxere (talk) 16:40, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Brethren
English.

As has been pointed out on the talk page, this is completely circular: the definitions use the headword without explanation. You can kind of figure that's it's some kind of religious denomination, but that's about it. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:53, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Probably just delete it. I think it's just saying "brethren can be capitalised in multi-word proper nouns". We deleted the capital "New" of "New York"; see Talk:New. Equinox ◑ 14:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It survived rfd on those grounds back in 2011. It's short for . Chuck Entz (talk) 15:10, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This is very much the same problem listed above had. I'll try to clean it up if I remember and have time. —Mahāgaja · talk 09:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I've made a first pass at cleaning it up; take a look and improve as necessary. —Mahāgaja · talk 10:56, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The entry previously suggested there was also a singular sense, but I can't find any evidence of common or literate "Brethrens" in GBooks. I think Mahagaja has done a good job here. Equinox ◑ 22:47, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's much more useful now, thank you! 98.170.164.88 22:49, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

loanable funds
Circular definition, using the phrase "loanable funds". Needs rewriting. Equinox ◑ 21:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The definition uses SoP loanable + funds to define non-SoP loanable funds ("theory etc.") But, yes, it should be rendered more understandable. DCDuring (talk) 22:32, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I am not knowledgeable in the field, but I have taken a stab at it using Wikipedia's definition. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 04:26, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

= October 2022 =

Entries by User:咽頭べさ
Following the block of this user, it may be a good idea to double-check some (all?) of the Mon entries they've created. Pinging also, since you seem to already be in the process of doing that. Thadh (talk) 21:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

ဗၞိက်
Mon.

The stated meaning "axis centre" makes no sense to me.

It's not clear to me whether the alternative form ဗဏိက်, which I found at the same heading level as and after the two nouns, applies only to the second. It would make etymological sense for the former noun 'merchandise'. However, isn't there a problem that NNA now indicates clear voice as opposed to breathy voice, analogous to the contrast between KA and GA. Or does dominance (a formerly voiced consonant overriding a resonant in the next syllable), as in Khmer, override the phonetic issue? --RichardW57m (talk) 13:00, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I think it is supposed to say "axis, centre", but even then, I don't think ဗၞိက် has this sense. I couldn't find a dictionary that defines ဗၞိက် with the words "axis" or "centre." The closest is Robert Halliday's A Mon-English Dictionary, which has the definition "axis, centre", but for a different word, ဗၞိဟ်. About ဗဏိက်, I'm not sure if consonant dominance would turn NNA into a breathy-register consonant because according to Shorto's dictionary, other words with a formerly voiced consonant and NNA, such as ဂဏိၚ် /noiŋ/ and ဗဏိန် /hənɛn/, are in the clear register. So, ဗဏိက် should be pronounced like /hənoik/, in the clear register too. 2021nammoi (talk) 01:21, 4 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I found Shorto's ရိပၞဟ် [rìˀpənɔh] = woody fibres along longitudinal axis of jackfruit instead. But ပၞဟ် actually means jackfruit. I also found ပၞိဟ်/ปะนิฮ [panih] and alt ဗၞိဟ် (should be แปฺะนฺิฮ) in Thai Mon dic, means center. No record for Shorto. (Shorto doesn't have 100% lexicon anyway.) --Octahedron80 (talk) 02:25, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have cross-referenced earlier. I am now very confident that this entry is a result of misreading - see the challenge currently at Requests_for_verification/Non-English. --RichardW57m (talk) 12:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

HMS
Some IP likes to create these ship prefix entries. In this entry it got out of control. Others look like questionable non-English prefixes, created as English. Perhaps they should be treated as translingual. – Jberkel 21:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jberkel does have many senses and a complex structure of subsenses, but if they are all in use (or were in use where they are marked as obsolete), then the complexity seems unavoidable, and I don't see any problem with the entry. If it listed the names of individual ships that would be a different story. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 04:17, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

āgama
Pali.

The coverage of the grammatical term needs to be researched by someone, e.g. me. --RichardW57m (talk) 09:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

insignia
English.

The pluralness of this word seems complex. "An insignia" forcibly strikes me as a grammatical error, but some editors seem happy to write it. We should include a clear example of insignia as a singular. It also has two singulars, and the plural 'insignias' seems secure in the sense of 'sets of insignia' when the sets differ. I am not sure how to catch all this. --RichardW57 (talk) 05:59, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, the etymology of insignium, in various languages, ought to be determined and recorded. Perhaps an should be raised. It looks as though that word is a mediaeval Latin back-formation from, but for English, it could certainly be reformed nowadays in English. --RichardW57 (talk) 05:59, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A usage note would probably do? I can find insignium being used as the singular in English as well:, (from Edgar Allan Poe), . Second-declension insignium is well-attested in Medieval Latin, though I'm not sure if it's just a back-formation from insignia since it also has an alternative meaning "sign, miracle"; there may be a parallel derivation from  at work as well. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 12:52, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I found two examples of insignia used as a singular noun in different eras and genres: an 1819 record of British military awards and a 2017 work on Aboriginal art. Not sure whether the second would be a quotation or a reference; however, it is an example of the use of insignia as a singular noun in formal written English. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 07:28, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I've added a usage note (and refs). - -sche (discuss) 04:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:Noun plural forms by language
German has its plural noun forms categorized as Category:German noun forms whereas various other gmh descendants (Ctrl-F "German") have their plurals categorized as Noun plural forms (e.g. Category:Alemannic German noun plural forms but in practice this means they're spread out to both categories). Middle English has all its plurals neatly in Category:Middle English noun plural forms while English plural nouns are categorized under Category:English noun forms.

I really fail to see the underlying system here but whatever it is, it should be documented in the category header and possibly be enforced by head. Also, given that the categories have been applied inconsistently to the German lects, I have little faith in the consistency when it comes to the other 150 something languages. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 02:49, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I can assure you there's no consistency here among the Celtic languages either, nor any desire (on my part at least) to clean them up so there is consistency. —Mahāgaja · talk 08:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Category:Translingual adjectives, Category:Translingual nouns
Translingual. Some examples from the categories: Obviously, that's completely inconsistent. ICZN Code sates (in 31.1.):
 * Category:Translingual adjectives:
 * Category:Translingual nouns:
 * Category:Translingual nouns:
 * Category:Translingual nouns:
 * "A species-group name formed from a personal name may be either a noun in the genitive case, or a noun in apposition (in the nominative case), or an adjective or participle"

So the correct categories are: --Amicus vetus (talk) 07:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Translingual nouns: (?),  (?),  (?) (nouns in the nominative case)
 * Category:Translingual noun forms:, , , , , (nouns in the genitive case)


 * I agree with your categorization of the noun rufipogon. It just seems like a mistake. But the ICZN is not the last word on our headings and categories. Functionally, the specific epithets that are formed in the manner of Latin genitives, but not from lemmas that are used in other forms in Latin text or as genitives of taxonomic proper nouns (usually, genus names), can be viewed as adjectives. I would not object to achieving consistency in the headings and categorization of such genitive-form specific epithets, whether as nouns or adjectives, but the benefit doesn't seem worth the effort. Do you have an estimate of how many of such genitive-form terms are categorized and headed as adjectives and how many as nouns? DCDuring (talk) 14:21, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Translingual terms are not Latin. Genitive nouns and indeclinable adjectives are indistinguishable when used in taxonomic names. In my opinion, specific epithets should be classed as "adjectives" even if derived from Latin genitives. Or we could even implement a specific PoS header: "Specific epithet". This, that and the other (talk) 02:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Aetokthonos, Aetokthonos hydrillicola
Translingual. The genders are contradicting. --Amicus vetus (talk) 07:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Aetokthonos: "Aetokthonos m" + "Aetokthonos hydrillicola (Ah) - sole accepted species"
 * Aetokthonos hydrillicola: "Aetokthonos hydrillicola f"
 * Someone followed the all-to-common error made by taxonomists of inferring gender from what they read as the gender of the supposed adjective. The gender of the genus may have been added after the species entry was created. It can be tedious to determine the gender of a genus by more correct means, so there are many entries for genera that lack gender information. DCDuring (talk) 14:28, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * In this case, the specific name is a noun, which by default is masculine, but is feminine if all the referents are female. So I've just corrected the gender of the species to masculine. --RichardW57m (talk) 11:37, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Why is hydrillicola shown as an adjective? As a Latin word, it's clearly a noun.  --RichardW57m (talk) 11:40, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The categorization of Latin compounds ending in -cola or -gena as nouns vs. adjectives is actually not very clear. While analyzing them as nouns that occur frequently in apposition may be the simplest perspective, there is a long history of considering them to be adjectives in some circumstances, e.g. Ovid's "Tempore ruricolae patiens fit taurus aratri" is cited by Lewis and Short as a case where ruricola is used as an adjective modifying the neuter noun aratrum. See also the still-unresolved suggestion here to remove the currently existing adjective entries for all such Latin words.--Urszag (talk) 02:28, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * There are a number of genera with names ending in -cola and thus nouns, and there are some specific epithets ending in -colus, which seem to be agreeing with masculine genus names. Some of those aren't derived from -cola, but I was able to come up with one that seems to be: Falco rupicolus (going all the way back to Linnaeus), where rupicolus looks like it comes from + -cola.
 * To really be sure about the nature of -cola in taxonomic names would require sifting through a lot of taxonomic references and looking for either specific epithets ending in -cola,-colus or -colum that changed their endings when assigned to different genera or ones that didn't, even though others did when assigned to those same genera. After that, one would have to sift through the results to figure out whether any of those are really from -cola and not -scolus, etc. Even then, there might be some cases of adjectives and others of nouns.
 * If memory serves, gender of taxonomic names derived from Greek or Latin is supposed to follow that of the Greek or Latin ones, but I don't remember if there are rules in the taxonomic codes requiring adherence to Latin or Greek parts of speech. The only requirements as to POS that I know of are that generic names are nouns in the nominative singular and specific epithets are either adjectives that agree in gender and number with the generic name or nouns in apposition that can be nominative or genitive and get their gender and number from their referents. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:54, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Just to be thorough, here are the taxonomic codes I'm aware of: animals, plants and other things that used to be considered plants, bacteria and other prokaryotes, and . Of the four, virus nomenclature is, for the most part, completely different from the others- forget about trying to apply Latin grammar to "". Chuck Entz (talk) 04:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The genitives are not in apposition; they are nouns used attributively, as in English noun stacks. At least for animals, they can also be genitives of adjectives used as epithets for another species, as with a genus that parasitises another genus.  (That must get confusing when the genus of the parasitised species changes.) RichardW57 (talk) 11:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as I recall, The textbooks I used didn't accept adjectives in -cola or -gena. It seems that the distinction is irrelevant for taxonomy, as generic names have to be singular. --RichardW57 (talk) 11:36, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

= November 2022 =

adjoint
English. Tagged by an IP in November 2016, who gave the following comment regarding the translations: Are these adjectives or nouns? (German adjungiert is an adjective and Spanish matriz de .. f is noun. Both were once listed here. The Slovak term in -ý maybe could denote an adjective too. The Bulgarian свързан is an adjective (прилагателно име) according to the Bulgarian wiktionary.) - <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 05:37, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

aloeid
English. The definition reads, "Any member of the Aloeidae". Chuck Entz tagged it in 2020, pointing out that The aren't a taxonomic unit. Basically the same as above. - <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 05:56, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Annam
English. Tagged by Brown*Toad (last edit 2019) in 2019. They left the following message, which is now hidden in the source:


 * On 1 October 2014, the English entry was split into two noun sections, but the translations weren't changed. Now the noun section's definition ("one of the French protectorate in Vietnam") and the translation's section definition ("former name of Vietnam") inside that noun section don't match. Additionaly, compared with Wikipedia another sense ("A name of Vietnam used prior to 1945") is missing here as the first noun is only "the southernmost province of Imperial China between 679–939" and the second "a former subdivision of French Indochina".

- <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 06:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

awkward
English. Tagged by Marontyan in 2019, who said: Quote is malformatted and is Middle English (enm) - RFV for this New English (en) term?) - <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 06:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

back to the wall
English. Tagged by DCDuring in 2012, who said in the summary of their next edit of the page: def not substitutable even in citations given. Equinox pointed out the same issue on the talk page in 2017. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 20:42, 16 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Probably we need to resort to n-g. Other dictionaries define verb phrases like back is to the wall, have one's back against the wall to make things easier on themselves, but we're right that neither the verb nor the pronoun is essential . - -sche (discuss) 04:05, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

bank slip
English. Tagged by User:Fish bowl in 2021 with the comment incomprehensible definition. The definition currently reads, "document in a sheet of paper which is used to pay taxes or other types of payment." It's difficult to find a reliable definition of this exact term online to compare ours with. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 20:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Etymology
Lots of outdated crap here GreyishWorm (talk) 02:08, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I removed the RFC template after removing some of said crap, but it really could be tightened up further. It's a bit verbose and not really structured in a coherent way. This, that and the other (talk) 09:10, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Barca
English. Tagged by -sche, who said the quotations should use WT:" formatting. In their edit summary they said, either format, or adjust labelling as proper noun (in which case cf. e.g. Australian, Christian) using AWB. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 02:47, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

benim
English. Tagged by in 2022, with the message, clean up the dates of quotations. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 03:31, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

= December 2022 =

pathology
English. Def 5 is the actual primary one based on other sources, like en.wp, yet User:Quercus solaris made it "historical" with this mess. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 12:57, 4 December 2022 (UTC)


 * It's not a mess, it's a delineation of the differentiated senses of the term that people who don't work in health care often don't realize exists. In other words, when the surgeon sends a specimen for biopsy, they are not sending it to an academic basic science department, they are sending it to a clinical laboratory (applied science for humans specifically). The word sense in which there is no ontologic difference between those 2 things is historical. A good revision to present the same facts in a different way would be to move def "5" to become def "1" and then to list the differentiated subsenses below that as 1.1, 1.2, and so on, whereas they represent the specifics of the "now usually and especially" general sense. I will go do that. Done. Quercus solaris (talk) 17:38, 4 December 2022 (UTC)


 * PS, to explain further what I mean, the study of the causes and nature of diseases is no longer specific to a particular medical specialty called pathology, among other specialties. That's what makes the "study of" sense historical within the context of medicine. Quercus solaris (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Low German: "Ravensbergisch-Lippisch" and "Suerländer-Märkisch"
See this search. "Ravensbergisch-Lippisch" would be Ravensbergisch and Lippisch. However, the provided term in, is different from the Lippisch term (attested in Korl Biegemann, Wilhelm Oesterhaus, kinder-lippe.de). So, what's this "Ravensbergisch-Lippisch"? & (as an example) indicates, it's only Ravensbergisch. It also speaks for itself, that the term "Ravensbergisch-Lippisch" is only found in wikis and clones thereof (like wordsense.eu). But what's the source for the "Ravensbergisch-Lippisch" terms? Are they attested somewhere, or made up like the term "Ravensbergisch-Lippisch"? PS: Similar issue with "Suerländer-Märkisch", this search. At least the term looks made up as well. --14:03, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Template:it-conj
The template that generates Italian verb paradigms appears to add diacritics to indicate stress. This is inappropriate for Italian, which already uses diacritics in its orthography to indicate vowel quality. The resulting tables are therefore ambiguous; without knowledge of Italian, it is impossible to tell whether accents have been added by Wiktionary or whether they belong to the generally-accepted spelling of the word.

For example, the paradigm generated for avere gives the future tense forms 'avrò', 'avrài', 'avrà, 'avrémo', 'avréte', 'avrànno'. The accepted Italian orthography would be 'avrò', 'avrai', 'avrà, 'avremo', 'avrete', 'avranno'. That is to say, two forms are correct, and four don't reflect generally-accepted spelling.

Suggested fix: the paradigm template should be amended to reflect generally-accepted spellings. 141.255.3.23 21:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The way to tell the usual spelling is by clicking the link: "avrò" links to [[avrò]], while "avrémo" links to [[avremo]], and so on. —Mahāgaja · talk 08:26, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * This is in no way going to be clear to the average user. In the unlikely event they even notice it, they're left with two forms: avrémo and avremo, and no explanation for why Wiktionary has given them two different forms and which they should use. It's also impractical: we cannot require a user to click through ~51 links to see the paradigm of a verb in its usual orthography. I'm not at all opposed to indicating stress in some way, but it cannot come at the expense of clearly indicating the form's actual spelling. 141.255.3.23 09:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * This was the subject of a recent BP or GP discussion I can't find offhand. It does seem like a bad idea to be mixing real and notional / notational spellings. - -sche (discuss) 20:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I created this template. It is usual in monolingual Italian dictionaries to add acute and grave accents to the spelling of words to indicate their pronunciation, and I think it's important to include this information. IMO once you understand the basic rule that the actual spelling only includes accents on the last letter of the word, it's not hard to see what's going on. If you have a better idea of how to indicate the position of the accent (and the nature of the vowel if it's e or o), please describe it. We add diacritics to the spelling of many languages (Russian, Bulgarian, Latin, Old English, Latvian, Lithuanian, Serbo-Croatian, Arabic, etc.) to indicate missing pronunciation information. It is true that it may be a bit confusing to someone not familiar with Italian spelling conventions due to the fact that words do include accents on the last letter, but I think this is not such a big deal. One possibility is to include two tables, one with the actual spelling and one with the extra diacritics; another is to include both spellings in the same table, but that could crowd the table. Benwing2 (talk) 22:21, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

(Template:de-adj noun forms of, Erwachsene)
A search for finds several entries (and a lot of false-positive chaff) with an ===Etymology 2=== not preceded by an ===Etymology 1===. In Erwachsene this is because User:AutoDooz (User:JeffDoozan) dropped the 1, on the other hand at ellum AutoDooz edited correctly and it was a human who dropped ety 1. Other pages include 粲. There are also some higher numbered ety issues, e.g. ブス was changed [by a human] to have an ety 1 and 3 but no 2. - -sche (discuss) 19:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


 * uncurled is also an error by AutoDooz, though, and kask; is there an issue with the code? - -sche (discuss) 20:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for bringing this up. Fixes like this are exactly what AutoDooz attempts to handle so that human editors can focus on more important issues. Here's an explanation of why it didn't fix the mentioned pages as expected:


 * Erwachsene uses the template mn to generate the entire ==Etymology 2== section and child sections. Since AutoDooz operates on the wikicode, it just sees de-adj as another template. This seems to go against the norm that templates shouldn't generate section headers. Are there other templates besides de-adj that generate section headers? I can update the code to better handle these templates or skip sections that are using them.


 * The bot would correct the counters on 粲 if it could, but it skips the ==Chinese== section because it contains a L3 ===Definitions=== section, which deviates from allowed WT:ELE sections and could be a sign that the page needs human attention.


 * Again, the bot would fix ブス but skips it because ===Etymology 1=== has no child sections, which it takes as a signal that the page needs human attention.


 * The bot only adjusts counters for sections with the same level. In the case of kask and uncurled, there is a L3 "Etymology 1" and a L4 "Etymology 2". Since there is only one L3 "Etymology" section, it drops the counter. The L4 ====Etymology 2==== section is left untouched because it doesn't make adjustments to sections found at unexpected depths. I'll see what can be done to better handle these cases.


 * See User:JeffDoozan/lists/section_levels/countable_bad_lineage for a list of pages where the bot found 'Etymology' or 'Pronunciation' sections in unexpected places.


 * JeffDoozan (talk) 21:56, 3 January 2023 (UTC)


 * ... I'm as surprised as you are to realize we have a template generating its own etymology- and other- headers! But I can see why it was set up to do that; it saves a ton of typing and space when generating such systematically-generable forms. So I suppose the bot should either ignore language sections with such templates, or if possible, know how to interpret them. User:Benwing2, do you know if there are other templates which generate their own etymology headers, which this bot should watch out for? Yes, if the bot finds "Etymology 2" (etc) at an unexpected level, then instead of dropping the counter from "Etymology 1", it should either correct the level (if possible) or skip the page and flag it for human review. I was going to suggest that if there are enough cases where people put Etymology headers at mismatched levels, we could set up an edit filter to flag such cases, but then I realized we could do something even simpler: are there any cases where a numbered or unnumbered Etymology header is validly at any level other than L3, or can we just have an edit filter flag all instances of "Etymology" at a level other than L3 as an issue to review? (We have some entries which split things by ===Pronunciation 1===, ===Pronunciation 2=== like -ta, but those don't seem to have ety sections nested inside them, because if they did, the entry should just be refactored to be split by ety, no?) - -sche (discuss) 21:32, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think there are any other templates that generate their own headers, at least not things that I've written. The closest are the templates like ru-noun-alt-ё and variants, which generate both the headword and definition lines, but not any headers. Possibly there are Asian-language (CJK) templates that do this; the CJK code is kind of in an "abandon all hope, ye who enter here" state. I'm pretty sure, for example, there are CJK templates that copy entire pages, but I'm not sure which ones do this. As for ==Pronunciation 1== headers, this is also an "abandon all hope" situation. I'm strongly opposed to having these headers at all and I tried to get them banned, but some people like them and keep adding them. I've seen Etymology N sections nested under Pronunciation N sections (see 干 for an example), as well as Pronunciation N sections nested under Etymology N sections, as well as interleaved Etymology N/Pronunciation N sections (e.g. in some Tagalog entries). I have a bot script that attempts to correct misindented section headers, and I've run it on the lemmas of most languages, but it skips pages with Pronunciation N headers because of their wild-west nature. Benwing2 (talk) 22:10, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * It looks like Erwachsene is the only page that uses de-adj noun forms of with the etym= parameter so it's definitely an edge case. I'll be interested to know if there are other templates that behave the same way that the should look out for.
 * According to User:JeffDoozan/stats/sections/latest there are 220 instances of L4 Etymology sections. I just edited an entry, kati that has multiple pronunciations each with multiple etymologies that doesn't look like it would be much simpler if it were organized by etymology and then pronunciation, but I like your idea and I would support a filter on non-L3 Etymology headers. JeffDoozan (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * And now zero entries use Template:de-adj noun forms of's etym= parameter. Can we safely remove that parameter/functionality, and require users to add the header manually where needed? Because having a template generate its own etymology header seems ... nonstandard and confusing.  (btw, you might also be interested in the section I just added to the bottom of this page about Solomonfromfinland and isomers). - -sche (discuss) 18:40, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

= January 2023 =

yo
Indonesian. Two etymologies for one interjection, plus a bonus template error JeffDoozan (talk) 23:05, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Japonic/panay
Proto-Japonic.


 * MYS.15.3625, line 9 (text available at ONCOJ here):

Middle Chinese pronunciation of the first two syllables 波祢:

On'yomi pronunciation:
 * ha nai/ne

More details later.

printing

 * Verb
 * printing
 * To inadequately carry a concealed weapon such that its silhouette is visible on the person wearing it.
 * To inadequately carry a concealed weapon such that its silhouette is visible on the person wearing it.

Sense 2 was added by Rfc1394 on 26 June 2016. When I added the RFC tag on 13 October 2022, I wrote in the edit summary, “User:Rfc1394: Does the sense you added apply to the verb “to print” (and thus should be moved there) or is it a noun, “printing”, with the definition of a verb?”; however, Rfc1394 did not reply. J3133 (talk) 06:51, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

= February 2023 =

propaganda of the deed
English: The meaning section is way too long and complex, plus for some reasons the English term used French quotation as well. Needs simplification and English quotes.廣九直通車 (talk) 08:49, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * , how does the new definition (technically, definition pair) look? CitationsFreak (talk) 23:01, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

sup
English.


 * This request was made by an IP who said in the tag at, "some senses are not " (formatting added by me), referring to the fact that  is our one and only (English) IPA pronunciation for eight different etymologies. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 18:53, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I put in a note by the pronunciation. One could say that we really should split the etymologies out but that would take up a lot of space since most of the definitions would then just be "abbreviation of super", etc. — Soap — 21:54, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

biopedturbation
English. Tagged by Kephir in June 2014 giving the reason: Messy entry. May need better etymology template. Move content hidden in comments to appropriate pages. Some -nyms seem contrived, they need to be verified. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 19:34, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Template:head/documentation
The table on the bottom of the page is filled with text in raw wikisyntax. Maybe this is due to the tables template (?) not accepting wikisyntax input. However, this complicates it's understanding.

I personally don't understand the line containing the phrase "script code with category", and at first didn't notice that sc was wrongly unrendered wikisyntax. Then, I also don't understand, why in it's second column, two coded labels (namely cat and sc) were given, while one of them (sc) had already been assigned the line before. --Utonsal (talk) 18:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Utonsal The table is generated by the TemplateData extension, which treats the contents of the table cells as plain text, not Mediawiki markup, and there is no way to change this (Phabricator task to change this). I find this to be a critical flaw of the extension. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 05:47, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Japonic/papumi
Proto-Japonic. The given reconstruction cannot produce the Old Japanese term pemi ("snake"), nor does this explain the almost-Old Japanese form pami ("snake, specifically a poisonous one"), and the phonological path to Ryukyuan is far from clear either.

Adding to that, the given source of "JLTT 404" appears to be this entry from Starling's Altaic work. Starling has been wildly off-base with other Japanese etymologies, and I don't think we can use this as any kind of reputable source.

If any other reliable authors are writing about 🇨🇬, or indeed any other reconstruction of the proto-form for modern Japanese, I strongly suggest we use that and eschew Starling entirely.

PS: If this should be moved to another forum, please move it.

‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

= March 2023 =

Citations:boak
English. Tagged by -sche-bot in 2012. -sche recently explained, The quotations are not formatted to WT:" standards, e.g. one of the first cites just lists a date, a bare link, and then the author, and puts the title of the quoted song underneath as part of the quotation, many others lack page numbers. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 06:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

bur block
English. Tagged by Msh210 in 2010 when he created the entry, saying, Definition needs improvement. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 06:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

public service
English. Weird US/UK distinction, what about other countries?– Jberkel 10:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * It looks like sense 4 might be acceptable everywhere, while senses 1 and 3 are US-specific, and sense 2 is just a broadening of sense 4 to include utilities. If this assessment is true, sense 4 should go first, with sense 2 next looking like “(US) More generally, any service or utility provided [...]”. --N4m3 (talk) 15:38, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

button
English. Specifically etymology 2, verb sense 3: "(informal) To stop talking." Tagged by Imetsia in 2020, who said in his edit summary, new sense, although transitivity should be added by someone more familiar. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 00:34, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

child
English. Tagged by an IP in 2022 with the reason, "the translation tables don't exactly map onto the senses, particularly with regard to whether only descent or age is signified". &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 00:47, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Template:table:Solar System
I've tried cleaning this up, but keep getting reverted, and told the discussion should be on the "the appropriate forum", not on the template talk page. Is this the appropriate forum?

There is/was a row header "Planets and most likely dwarf planets", but the list does not include the most likely dwarf planets, only Ceres and Pluto. The wording is from when we did include the most likely dwarfs. Because the point of the table is translations, I'd be happy with adding just Eris; because Eris is a classical name, it has established forms (e.g. Eride) in European languages. (Though Orcus [e.g. Orko] does as well.) With Eris included, I think "IAU planets and notable dwarf planets" would be accurate.

There is a second row header "Notable moons", which includes all of Pluto's moons, despite only Charon being notable in the sense of the others. I cut that cell down to Charon; let's see if it sticks. kwami (talk) 03:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree, it should only be Charon for Pluto, and Eris should be included, since it is weightier than Pluto. It would seem driving a political point to include Pluto but not include Eris. -- 65.92.244.249 23:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * cutting down the number of moons of Pluto and adding dwarf planets like Eris. The RFC banner in নেপচুন (Bengali term for Neptune) has led me to this discussion. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Should we have other TNOs, or are Eris and Pluto enough? kwami (talk) 04:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Thesaurus:Native American
Needs qualifiers added by someone familiar with how these terms are used, pretty sure many of them are offensive. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 17:32, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I took a stab at it. I'm not sure if "Native American" is the best title for the Thesaurus entry. It's an American term, rather than a universal one. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 04:44, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

= April 2023 =

lessee
English. We have three definitions where other dictionaries have one. (What about OED? Black's?) Are there differences with respect to synonymy or application by type of property (tangible/intangible, real/personal)? DCDuring (talk) 16:48, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

lek and laik
The Yorkshire dialect word [lek] is rarely written and is pronounced differently in the different Ridings of Yorkshire. Compare,.

It'd be nice to know in which ridings which pronunciation is used, and then for this note to be copied to the laik page. For what it's worth, I'm dubious about the idea that the isogloss follows riding boundaries, because where I grew up, well within the West Riding, the preferred form had changed from “laik” when my father was a child to “lek” a generation later. Usually you expect the West Riding to be the most linguistically influential, so if anything you'd expect the older “laik” to spread elsewhere. N4m3 (talk) 16:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/sh₂ey-
I have percieved a discrepancy with the citations for the definitions for this entry. *seh₂- meaning here "to bind, fetter" links to a page that says "to satiate, satisfy". Lumbering in thought (talk) 17:24, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Slight correction, *seh₂- itself is shown as "to bind", but its root is a bit different as "to bind, fetter". *seh₂- is still the culprit as it is way different than the other page.Lumbering in thought (talk) 17:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Qtrs.
English. table doesn't render. JeffDoozan (talk) 14:44, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I found the original image at this URL. while the original editor surely put a lot of work into coding that table, it might be better to just use plain text with line-breaks instead of trying to get the columns to line up. Thats what i will do if no one else can see a quick fix .... im not sure it's even possible to put a table inside of a quote template since, among other things, MediaWiki tables use the | character to make new cells and templates treat any | as the end of a line.  We can get around that by replacing the string-literal with a template that types out a pipe, but only works if we assume MediaWiki has "on again, off again" behavior in how it renders strings passed through templates. Anyway I htink the best solution is to just type the text in three rows. — Soap — 11:03, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, I came across this again and my quick fix was to just move the table outside of the template call and put "refer to the table below" in the "passage" parameter. But feel free to change it if anyone has a more-stylistically-acceptable solution. Struthious Bandersnatch (talk) 04:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

blanchisseuse de fin
Seems to exist (see ), also, in English as well as French, but the definition needs work. - -sche (discuss) 13:29, 24 April 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅, but could use another eye. The previous definition was completely made up, probably by someone who was just unhelpfully guessing at the meaning of the word. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 21:07, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

= May 2023 =

mayon(n)aise
I mentioned this at the Tea room, but an RfC seems to be better suited. The content (which was commented out because of bad formatting) needs to be cleaned up. J3133 (talk) 10:15, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

sausage
English (verb). Some quotations do not fit the definition. J3133 (talk) 17:24, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

lay
English. These senses should be merged; however, they are in different etymology sections for some reason. J3133 (talk) 13:14, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * To lie: to rest in a horizontal position on a surface.
 * To be in a horizontal position; to lie (from confusion with lie).


 * Because of the issue of contamination - the sense 'lie' partially derives from the preterite of lie. I fear that how to handle it may be a matter of taste.  --RichardW57m (talk) 15:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That information can be included under one etymology—there is no need to duplicate definitions; this also causes issues, such as, under which one to place quotations? J3133 (talk) 15:42, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. The question is whether  gets an etymology section to itself. --RichardW57m (talk) 15:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I've merged them. A en section is not a place for a verb lemma, in addition to the problem with it being duplicated. - -sche (discuss) 04:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

peace be upon her
peace be upon her is in a noun category but is not a noun. I do not see it in wikicode.
 * feminine equivalent of automatically puts entries into a language's "female equivalent nouns" category. Apparently it was assumed that the template would be used only on nouns. —Mahāgaja · talk 06:25, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I suppose the easiest(?) thing to do is have it keep defaulting to nouns but have an optional override to set a different category...? - -sche (discuss) 04:50, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Or just change the category name to "female equivalent forms". —Mahāgaja · talk 08:19, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There is already a POS param to female equivalent of, which I added to this entry. The issue I have with "female equivalent forms" is the word "forms" suggests non-lemma forms to me, which isn't the case here. Benwing2 (talk) 19:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

guru
Sense 1 needs to be cleaned up (if kept): “In Indian traditions,it means a knowlegable teacher who guides his shishya(disciple/lit. seeker of [of knowledge or truth])”. Added by भारत्पराक्रमि on 1 March with the edit summary “how is this redundan?The first definition was in spritual sense and the other was about its use in us etc. which does not pertains to its defination as a general teacher”. J3133 (talk) 10:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

погост
Pinging East Slavic editors because there seems to be no Old East Slavic workgroup. Some of the senses at погост appear to belong to Old East Slavic, so perhaps the article should be split. The Finnish descendants belong under the Old East Slavic term according to, which is what alerted me to this. brittletheories (talk) 13:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Brittletheories: The senses seem OK. The Old East Slavic orthography was wrong. It's, not "погост". @Benwing2: I have fixed the etymology on the Russian descendant . Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:08, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:Ubykh_language
It appears that some 1,350 words in this language use a transcription system that is, to put it lightly, completely made up. The guide for the transliteration (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Ubykh_transliteration) given has no basis in Ubykh literature and in the user talk pages you can see these editors discuss what letters are used for the transliteration.

The only writing system this language has used in recorded history was the Turkish Latin alphabet and a transcription system based off of this snippet is in the back of A Grammar of Ubykh (ISBN-10: 3862880508) which can be visually shown here. ~ Burned Toast (talk)

= June 2023 =

Appendix:Numerals in various languages
A user has posted an RFC for this appendix, but no discussion has been made. I'm mentioning it here for further discussion. 17lcxdudu (talk) 02:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Japonic/Mmanka
Proto-Japonic.

M indicates unknown pre-nasalized stop.

= July 2023 =

よる
よる has many kanji spellings which seem to have at least two etymologies and somewhat related meanings. I’m not sure whether this page should have soft redirects with {ja-see} to the kanji spellings, or be the main entry using {ja-def} for the kanji spellings like it does now, with the kanji entries redirecting to this page. Mcph2 (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

requesting input from fluent speakers on the meanings of pederast and its cognates in contemporary language
I've seen paper dictionaries list words like pédéraste as terms for male homosexuals without any commentary. We have that particular word listed as archaic. But on our pederast page, most of the words are glossed as "homosexual" without any such qualifier, and no other meaning is listed. Since I can't trust paper or even online dictionaries with a word like this, I am hoping native speakers can contribute from their knowledge and figure out how many of these languages still use this word this way, and whether it should be marked as disparaging, archaic, or something else. I note also that most of them just say "homosexual", not even restricting its use to men. Is this correct? Was it ever correct? In English the only nonstandard use we list is that of also including pedophiles who are attracted to young girls.

I am posting here because this page moves much more slowly than the Tea Room. This page is surely also less watched, but in this case I think it will be a better choice, on balance, as I am seeking input from fluent speakers of each of the languages we list.

Best regards, — Soap — 17:48, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Definition of pederast is CHILD ABUSER and more correct than pedophile which defines as CHILD LOVER. Neither of which breaks down as homosexual which is strictly meant to define same sex persons engaged in sexual relations. 56.0.84.28 10:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

piling on
Definitions are overwordy, and there's probably some crossover between the senses Alegoil (talk) 15:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Adam, Bertil, Olof, etc
These are listed as ===Interjection===s, whereas other phonetic alphabet letters like Juliett are listed as ===Noun====s. They should all be switched to be nouns (like also alpha, gimel, etc). Aside from the rest of the Swedish phonetic alphabet (kryss for X, etc), are there other entries that use other parts of speech for letter names? - -sche (discuss) 07:49, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Canis lupus arctos and other species listed as common nouns
Most species names (even Canis lupus!) seem to be entered as proper nouns, but some like this are common nouns. Why? Does anyone want to systematically search for other instances and standardize them? - -sche (discuss) 07:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I edited Canis lupus arctos with this diff. This might be more than most would want to do.
 * I tried the following regex searches:
 * 'hastemplate:"head" species insource:/head\|mul\|noun/' and got 70 hits mostly specific epithets, some simple adjectives, some genitives of nouns in form.
 * 'incategory:"Translingual nouns" species' yielded 6 hits of varied characteristics.
 * Substituting 'genus', 'subgenus', 'subspecies' for 'species' gets more. Possibly 'family', 'tribe', and 'order' too.
 * More selective regex searches (eg. with leading capitals in the title) might yield the more specifically problematic entries that got 's attention. DCDuring (talk) 17:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

ॸ
Marwari. This "Letter" entry needs a proper definition and reference. This, that and the other (talk) 01:23, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Japonic/kanto and multiple other JPX-PRO entries
@User:Chuterix has been adding pronunciation sections to many Proto-Japonic (JPX-PRO) entries. Rather than remove these outright, I'm bringing this up here to request help with cleanup, due to the following issues:

"Accent class 2.4."
 * No sources.
 * Last I knew, there was uncertainty regarding the exact vowel values of even Old Japanese. I question how we can be so certain about even-older Proto-Japonic.  Whose reconstructions are we basing our   sections on?  Are there other writers who propose different reconstructions?  Building our entries around one or two authors, when there are many working in this space, strikes me as deeply problematic.
 * No links to any explanatory materials regarding reconstructed Proto-Japonic phonology.
 * If someone wanted to read more about this topic, where would they go? Our current JPX-PRO pronunciation sections are dead ends.
 * Obtuse and unexplained notation.
 * These edits also include text like:
 * This text has no further explanation, nor any links. What is an "accent class" in this context?  What does "2.4" mean?  Whose work is this based on?  Etc. etc.


 * Misleading phonemic notation.
 * Assuming that the initial "2" refers to two-syllable words, we have other notation problems, as at, where the phonemic guide of seems to indicate three syllables.  If the latter  is meant to be a single-syllable diphthong, should this not be shown differently?  Per w:International_Phonetic_Alphabet, presumably we should show this as , , , , or.

If I should bring this to some other forum instead, please advise and I'm happy to move the thread. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 00:47, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Eirikr:
 * Pronunciation is based on our conversion of the widely accepted reconstructed PJ phonology (6 vowels; 13 consonants including pre-nasalized clusters that become voiced stops) from modified hepburn to standard IPA. For example: PJ becomes /jəkə/, accent class 2.1 according to Martin 1987 (forgot the page, but it exists), or a better example, PJ, has IPA pron /sima/ and applying Martin 1987's accent data (p. 524), we get /sìmà/ + accent class 2.3. This is the worst reason why you blocked me.
 * I'm not sure about how we're supposed to handle diphthongs though, let alone accenting them.
 * Anyways my original answers, before answering the "who reconstructs this, who reconstructs that, etc." questions:
 * My sources are, they show accent IDs (L, H, R, etc.) and the accent pattern. I can add them, but you blocked me from Mainspace and Reconstruction space for at most 3 days.
 * Pinging ; however lately he has not been answering any of my questions lately for some reason.
 * Also notifying (Aramaki-Morozov): he's got pitch accent and more Ryukyuan accent class (A, B, C, etc.) that is possible to work with. Chuterix (talk) 01:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Various issues.
 * Any pronunciation information added to proto-Japonic / proto-Ryukyuan entries must include sourcing. Since there are few such sources, using   tags, and possibly also templates, seems most appropriate.
 * References must include full author names and actual titles. Non-specialists must be able to read these, and they must provide sufficient information for readers to find the actual sources.
 * Any accent class must be explained. So far, entries provide no explanations, nor links to explanations, for what is meant by things like "accent class 2.3".  This is entirely unusable to the vast majority of potential readers.
 * Your spellings are problematic. In IPA,  indicates a different sound than the  used in mainstream Japonic romanizations.  Your use of spellings like  is confusing and ambiguous.
 * Overall, your handling of reconstructed proto-terms for those Japanese nouns that exhibit vowel fronting when used as standalone nouns or the latter component in compounds leaves much to be desired. As far as I'm aware, there is still no consensus for whether this is an additive process (where an originally unfronted vowel becomes fronted when the noun is used in specific ways, presumably due to addition of an  suffixing element), or instead a subtractive process (where some final  element is removed when the noun is used as the first component in a compound).  Consequently, we cannot say with any certainty that there ever was any single term like 🇨🇬 that gave rise to both Old Japanese compounding kutu and standalone kuti: the etymon may instead be 🇨🇬, and the standalone Old Japanese kuti may be evidence of a derived or inflected form.
 * ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:38, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

미국놈
Korean. Tagged by User:Fenakhay. I cleaned up a bit but a further cleanup and check is needed. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:09, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

= August 2023 =

, (comma)
Translingual. Many of the senses here are actually English-only, or limited to certain specific languages at least, and need to be separated out of the Translingual section. This was brought up on Discord ages ago by but it doesn't look like it was ever actioned. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 20:58, 5 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Could you add more detail, so one knows when the clean-up is done. For example, are you hoping for some action on the rôle as a digit separator?  How do we split up the usage notes on serial commas by language - there may well be modern comma-using languages that don't normally use the word for 'and' or 'or' in lists. --RichardW57m (talk) 10:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Ancient Greek diocritical marks
The titles of the pages all have diacritical marks, but many of the initial breathings are missing for the pages that begin with Alpha. If someone could tell me how to alter a page title, I would correct this. 2600:1700:30C0:6E50:B1EB:E381:8EB1:232A 00:34, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You need to keep the difference straight between, language code "el", and , language code "grc". Looking at Category:Ancient Greek lemmas and Category:Ancient Greek non-lemma forms, which together include all of our Ancient Greek entries, you'll see that all of the ones starting with Alpha have the breathing on either the Alpha , or on the following vowel for diphthongs . The only exceptions are a handful of nomen sacrum forms such as , which have no diacritics at all.
 * Modern is different: as I understand it, mainstream usage doesn't have any diacritics at all except for a simple accent called a, but there was a revival of the old system called , so there are some exceptions. See Category:Greek lemmas and Category:Greek non-lemma forms for all our modern Greek entries. Chuck Entz (talk) 01:55, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Citations:tiptop
Tagged but not listed for cleanup by @WingerBot, so I thought I should list it here as that seems to be the correct protocol. I’m not really sure what the point tagging a Citations page rather than an entry is though tbh. Overlordnat1 (talk) 10:03, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

verge escapement
English. A very encyclopaedic definition. Pious Eterino (talk) 18:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Is it good enough now? DCDuring (talk) 22:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * As someone unversed in horology, I'm reticent to assess the entry. As a rank-and-file Wiktionarian, though, I say it's better than before, probably enough to remove the cleanup template. Pious Eterino (talk) 23:15, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

cut (12 August 2023)
(Adjective) 4. (Can we clean up(+) this sense?) (cricket, of a shot) Played with a horizontal bat to hit the ball backward of point.

(Noun) 7. (cricket) A batsman's shot played with a swinging motion of the bat, to hit the ball backward of point. 8. (cricket) Sideways movement of the ball through the air caused by a fast bowler imparting spin to the ball.

I know little about cricket, and these definitions are as mysterious to me as most of the words used in that game. "Backward of point" has no meaning to me. I know that the word is used as a noun in baseball, referring to a swing of the bat: "He had a good cut at that pitch, but he missed."

Noun #7 seems different than Adjective #4.

(adjective) 2. Reduced. The pitcher threw a cut fastball that was slower than his usual pitch.

This is a less than satisfactory example. A "cut" fastball has no consistent meaning as far as I know. It doesn't mean that the ball is thrown more slowly; that's a "change-up." "Cut" seems to me to be a word used by a baseball announcer. It may mean that the pitcher's arm movement is less than his usual one, or it may mean that the ball unintentionally curves, or does something unexpected. This is also perhaps a reference to the practice by the pitcher of cutting the ball with a hidden tool to make it act unpredictably or increase its sideways, upward or downward motion when it's thrown with a spin. This practice is banned, of course. Notable examples are pitchers (for example, Gaylord Perry) getting caught with a nail file or emery board and Juan Marichal using a sharpened part of his belt buckle.

Anyway, because cricket and baseball are somewhat related, it seems possible that these definitions are all somehow related and have taken on different meanings. A "British" tag might be appropriate for the cricket uses, and an "American" tag for the baseball ones. The definition I gave above (a swing of a baseball bat) should be added, and it is perhaps handed down from cricket, but used more generally in baseball because a baseball bat is round and cannot be held horizontally. I have read about cricket, and I came to the conclusion that it would take an unlimited amount of time to learn the jargon. However, I can watch a game and grasp the essentials. No doubt some feel the same about baseball. Wastrel Way (talk) Eric

Category:Cree language
Since we already handle the various Cree lects as separate languages - as we well should - that means that all entries currently labeled as "Cree" should actually be one of the dialects. I further propose we delete any of those that we cannot identify (following WT:RFV, since attestation should lead to identification) within the appropriate timespan, and retire  as a language code, and set it as the family code for Cree languages. Thadh (talk) 17:17, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Nicolas
In this diff, a translation table was added by User:NicWarren, with the gloss "Transliterations of the surname". There has never been a definition for the surname, so it is unclear what the table is referring to. I'm hesitant to just change the gloss or remove the table, so I'll leave this to anyone who might know what the actual mistake is. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 17:46, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Just noting that with the exception of the Nepali all of the translations are already present at Nicholas. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 17:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

at.óow
Tlingit. — Fenakhay ( حيطي · مساهماتي ) 12:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hessian: Category:Hessian German, Gude, Hesse, Kolter, Schnatz
Confusion of proper Hessian (Hessian dialect; Hessisch), a Rhine Franconian (gmw-rfr) sub-dialect; and Hessian regiolect (hessischer Regiolekt) as sub-form of Category:Regional German, i.e. (Standard High) German (de). Label "(Hessian)" [with that link] doesn't belong into de entries.

Special:Contributions/Khunou S
This editor is quite enthusiastic about improving our coverage of Naga peoples and languages, but they have no clue about the difference between a dictionary and an encyclopedia and/or a mini-essay, for instance, or any number of other things. A good example is Khiamniungan Naga, which looks like an English term, but only has an entry for Khiamniungan Naga, complete with authentic-looking tonal pronunciation and a a definition which is really a description of the people, the etymology of Khiamniungan, and the festivals that are part of their culture. They also have included things like  at the tops of pages with the wrong kind of brackets (it should be Appendix:Variations of "pau") so it links to "also" instead of to the (nonexistent) Appendix:Variations of pau. They've also done some rather odd page moves, like àāngtsyōkiu->Khèi->āusám. left a message and a welcome template on their talk page and has cleaned things up a bit, but even looking through their edit histories makes me tired- it could end up as a full-time job to make sense of all of this. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

聲, 死
The list of Chinese senses is messy because it is a wall of text with approximately 10 senses in a random order. It would be easier to read if the senses were grouped and sorted into subsenses. A good example that does this is how User:Wpi did a good job organizing.

I tried to do the cleanup by myself, but my edits were reverted. See User_talk:Wpi for context, but the focus of this RFC is the sorting/grouping not the etymology. This task is important because it's becoming unreadable with that excessively long list. User:Wpi thought that my groupings were wrong and inaccurate, so now I am asking here in RFC for more experienced editors to help as discussed on the talk page. Daniel.z.tg (talk) 20:14, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

= September 2023 =

Gude
Someone tagged this as both RFV and Cleanup, saying that it's wrongly categorized. It's probably true that there could also be a "Rhine-Franconian" entry here, but I'm confused about the rest. Is it incorrect to use de for words used when speaking Standard German in Hesse? Saying "Gude" doesn't mean you're speaking full-on Hessisch, any more than saying "moin" means you're speaking Plattdeutsch. Smurrayinchester (talk) 08:31, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The thread was started above at . The problem is not unique to Hessian; in any diglossic situation you encounter words from the basilect being used in mesolectal or even acrolectal speech, and when we consider the basilect a different language from the acrolect (e.g. Jamaican Creole ↔ English, Scots ↔ English, any of the German traditional-dialects ↔ German) it can be very difficult to know which words to assign to which variety, and of course to know how to label them unambiguously. —Mahāgaja · talk 08:51, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, we also have e.g. Scots vs. Scottish English. If a word is attested as being used in an otherwise standard German context then it should be marked as regional/dialectal German and not as (or rather, as well as) the full-on language. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 08:57, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I realize now the problem is that the entry is labeled as German and categorized as CAT:Hessian German (a regiolect of ), but the Wikipedia link inside the label points to the article on the Hessian variety of Rhine Franconian. —Mahāgaja · talk 09:23, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, then the easiest thing might be to change the label data, which I've done to fix that link. Smurrayinchester (talk) 09:40, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/46.193.162.93/20
This IP has been adding translations in an impossible range of languages over the past year, and is geographically close enough to the Pays-de-Loire geolocation of the Inkbolt/Dim Blob vandal that I blocked their whole range for 6 months. Their game is to add translations and even entries in languages they don't know, and if they can't find a reference for it, they just make it up. They also have done things like add pronunciations and inflection tables for proto-languages that are too vaguely reconstructed to support them. Of their present edits, Exhibit A is a Cherokee translation that they added to Northern Ireland, "ᎤᏴᏢ ᎠᏲᎳᏂ". Google was unable to find the phrase anywhere on the internet, including Cherokee Wikipedia. "ᎤᏴᏢ" exists, and probably "ᎠᏲᎳᏂ", but not the combination of the two.

I reverted most of their recent edits that weren't strictly in areas that a normal French person might know about, and a few older ones with no intervening edits. I'm sure I got some good edits, too, but someone else will add those back eventually. But to really deal properly with the odd mix of good edits and garbage that they've been churning out will require the attention of those who know something about the languages in question. I'm bringing it here on the off chance that some of you might not have something better to do every once in a while. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 23:57, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Chuck Entz When it comes to stuff like this I'd definitely err on the side of reverting, even if it brings in a few good edits. Benwing2 (talk) 05:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

dick
Currently has the "detective" sense twice, with two different etymologies. Someone needs to work out which is the correct etymology and remove the duplicate. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Category:Latin gerund forms
I'm guessing this category needs to be emptied; it's the only language with a gerund form category and it has no autocat support. Ultimateria (talk) 19:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Are there any other languages with an inflectable gerund? If not, then that's why this is the only language with a gerund form category. I don't see any reason to empty the category, though; and if it's the only one, it doesn't need autocat support. —Mahāgaja · talk 16:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are others. If the gerund is a something like a verbal noun (sometimes it isn't, e.g. Sanskrit and Russian terminology) and nouns inflect, one should expect to find inflected forms.  Specific examples I quickly found are Albanian, Danish, English and Germanic. --RichardW57m (talk) 13:33, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

= October 2023 =

Convert ref to use template
An insource search for "# Köbler, Gerhard, Althochdeutsches Wörterbuch, (6. Auflage) 2014" reveals 270 hits. It's pretty low priority, but since this a reference for which we actually have a template, would somebody be so kind as to do a bot run to convert all mainspace occurences to use R:goh:Köbler? On a related note, I notice that many of these reference entries (and presumably not only these ones) are using # instead of * and sometimes the L3, sometimes the L4 header. Is this something which could also be tackled? Helrasincke (talk) 16:07, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

"edition edition"
There are a few cases of "edition edition" appearing, most likely as a result of quote-* templates. They can be found at https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?go=Go&search=%22edition+edition%22&title=Special:Search&ns0=1 P. Sovjunk (talk) 12:54, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

shilpit
Scots. Entry is a bit of a mess. See also its talk page. Equinox ◑ 20:49, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Obomber
English.

A ton of garbage and cruft has been added in the form of ~50 quotes, including a link to the Daily Stormer and way too many tweets and Reddit posts. Yes, the people who use this term hate Barack Obama, but this reads like a POV "all these people hate him, and here's why you should too" anthology. There are also a number of references to Obama's basketball nickname, which are really for another definition.

It looks to me like we could ditch most or all of the ephemeral sources like blogs, Twitter and Reddit, as well as the hate sites, and still leave more than enough to illustrate usage. Could someone more in tune with our current web-quoting policies sift through this and remove all the crap and unnecessary stuff? Chuck Entz (talk) 22:11, 20 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello,
 * My point for the excessive number of citations (50) was to demonstrate a widespread usage of this term throughout 2009 to 2023 (15 years). I profusely apologize if my liberal criteria for quotations was inappropriate. The people who use this term are naturally found to be hateful/extremists like Nazis and communists and/or are criticizing Obama from a biased perspective, so finding quotations would have naturally yielded biased and pejorative passages. I've removed the excessive quotations for each year and the quotations from hateful sources (Stormfront, The Investigative Project on Terrorism, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds). I've removed the surrounding text for certain quotations and only included the sentences that directly mention the term.
 * As for the Twitter, Reddit and 4chan quotations, I am following the page Citations:Turkroach which deems it worthy to be cited (the talk page even discussing it), which also has a total of 125 citations across 9 years.
 * The quotations for his basketball nickname were also a mistake on my part. Again I apologize. I've also deleted a quotation from 2008 which would have been before his Presidency and thus would have referred to his basketball sobriquet.
 * BesNutGeb (talk) 04:57, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

money won is twice as sweet as money earned
English. Definition: Chuck Entz (talk) 03:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) It is much better to obtain money by working hard, even if one either doesn't like or wants to, than to obtain it out of desire by especially more risky means, such as gambling.
 * , how does it look now? (I changed the ordering of the two things being compared [what's the fancy word for this?] because money one earns from work is not won, it's earned, and vice versa.)

= November 2023 =

verbal
English.

The actual meaning is basically "to allege [the object] has made a verbal confession". I'm not sure how to indicate the grammatical construction, and I am not sure whether falsely alleging that a true culprit has confessed counts as verballing. The meaning given is "to induce into fabricating a confession", for which the object would normally be a fellow policeman, not the intended victim of the action. I don't believe 'verballing' encompasses beating a false confession out of someone. --RichardW57m (talk) 13:15, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The notion of induction was added by in Special:diff/30168383 under the comment 'subject/object confusion', which appears to be his utter confusion - the object (more precisely patient) is absent or well buried in the definition.  A nice example, but probably not valid as a citation, is:
 * "Having been bitten once in my early career by a client who was ‘verballed’ by the police (i.e. words were put into his mouth which he hadn’t uttered but which miraculously appeared in their subsequent notes), I cultivated the habit of keeping a small notebook with me,..." at https://www.legalsecretaryjournal.com/a_lawyers_embarrasing_moments_2, an English example to balance the Australian usage. Unfortunately, it doesn't qualify as a quotation. --RichardW57m (talk) 12:29, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The definition I changed didn't work as a transitive verb definition as it didn't indicate the object (was it the person, the confession, etc.): but yeah, I think I screwed it up. Feel free to fix. Equinox ◑ 23:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ --RichardW57m (talk) 10:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

= December 2023 =

corrupt
English. Tagged by Fytcha in 2021 because its senses are only lists of synonyms. They also mentioned a missing sense which it seems has since been added. See the talk page for more. &mdash; <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">excarnateSojourner (ta&middot;co) 23:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Ill-formatted Proto-Celtic reconstruction entries
Need formatting, moving or deletion. This, that and the other (talk) 01:33, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/-ants
 * Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/onkos
 * Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/onkus
 * Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/swīsswīs
 * Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/yoi
 * I speedied a couple that were random word clouds. The rest will probably follow unless someone adds the necessary references and identifies descendants. There are some really knowledgable historical linguists in and from Texas, but I'm not so sure this IP is one of them... Chuck Entz (talk) 05:34, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * and could have been cleaned up, I think, but they can be re-created too. I've moved *swīsswīs to  since the lenition of -sw- to /f/ (later voiced to /v/) in Goidelic shows that there was only one s. *yoi is probably right, but I'm at work right now and don't have time to look up refs. I don't know why Proto-Celtic reduplicated personal pronouns, but it did. There's also  (>,  > ). Welsh also has reduplicated 1st- and 2nd-person singular pronouns , , but I don't know if those go back to Proto-Celtic as the plurals ones do. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * *yoi looks like nothing other than the nominative plural of a relative pronoun . *yos ceased to function as a pronoun in every Celtic language except Celtiberian, and only survived elsewhere as the derived relative clause particle . The actual pronoun for "they" is, not *yoi. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I am going to orphan and then ping Chuck or whoever to nuke it. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've orphaned as an incorrect reconstruction; feel free to delete it. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I found where *yoi came from - it's not a hoax, it was the GPC that came up with it, which relates it to the pronoun family. The pathway they envision (🇨🇬 < 🇨🇬 < *ei < *yei < *yoi < presumably *i- + pronominal plural *-oi). Phonetically it makes little to no sense (why reform *yoi > yei? Why the *y- loss even though Brythonic generally does lose that initial?), but I should have just moved and rebuilt the page. I'll rebuild anyway. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 08:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

= January 2024 =

Template:table:colors/pt
There are too many terms in this table, which may not represent what is actually used or how the colour spectrum is divided in Portuguese. E.g. there are three words for "black", but only two of them are usual. Template:table:colors/en has only one word for "black" even though words like "ebony", "inky", "pitchy", "onyx" also exist.
 * Unfortunately, the color tables for many languages are a mess; having a single template to represent color systems across different languages was a mistake to begin with, as different languages do not share the same color system. Ideally this ill-conceived common template should be replaced by a custom table for each language that reflects how that language actually conceptualizes and divides up the color space. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 14:56, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The whole system is a mess. It looks like the colors were chosen based on the peculiarities of the encoding scheme. Brown isn't just a darker variation of orange. Creme isn't a variety of yellow. Lime green, mint green and teal are not basic colors, and colors like cyan, indigo and magenta are basic in color theory, but not in language. Also, the pure RGB colors are garish and artificial in appearance. What's more, it's not very good at representing colors as broader divisions of color space rather than precise points. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Another point for the mess: some languages have different words for colors depending of the POS, so some tables have nouns and others have adjectives. Trooper57 (talk) 19:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I wonder who decided that the terms in Greek should be nouns and not adjectives.
 * There's this article, Basic_Color_Terms, that could give some guidance as to which colours put in each table.
 * Another idea would be look for which colours are thought on children's books or second language teaching material. FlavianusEP (talk) 14:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Labels on Anubis etc
User:Invokingvajras (contribs) systematically delabelized a bunch of en labels, e.g.. We should probably relabelize them, but I think the intent was to take the entries out of the "Egyptian mythology" category and have them only be in "Egyptian deities", which is reasonable given the volume of them, so perhaps we want to add a en-style label *en which displays "Egyptian mythology" (or "Egyptian deity", whatever) and categorizes into the "Egyptian deity" category? - -sche (discuss) 23:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The user also removed "Buddhism" labels from a bunch of Buddhist deities, e.g. . - -sche (discuss) 23:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of a label that displays "Egyptian mythology" but categorizes into "Egyptian deities". This is what en and en already do (see Apollo). en should also be added. —Mahāgaja · talk 08:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Added Egyptian, Norse and Buddhist deity labels, if anyone wants to help with deploying them (re-templatizing the relevant entries' labels). - -sche (discuss) 22:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

nickel and dime
Noun section is a confusing train wreck. Equinox ◑ 21:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I gave the old college try. There may be reason to combine what are now three etymologies or eliminate Ety 2 because sole def is SoP. DCDuring (talk) 02:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

cockle
The English page's definition 1 for the word "cockle" seems to combine two unrelated words into one. The first one, for which the etymology is provided, is a type of mollusk. The second meaning, the one relating to furnaces and stoves (senses 7 through 9), seem to be the English equivalent to the German Kachel, ultimately taken from Latin cacabus and Ancient Greek κάκκαβος. Additionally, the existence of the word cocklestove, seems to imply additional sense of "a ceramic tile, in particular, one used around a furnace or a stove, sometimes decorated". This sense would match the usage of the word in other languages - compare to Swedish kakel, Danish kakkel, Lithunian koklis (https://www.vle.lt/straipsnis/kokliai/). Would it be possible to find a quote with the usage in the meaning "tile"? Or is "cockle" in the sense of "tile" a fossilized word, only found in "cocklestove"? 31.205.128.141 18:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

= February 2024 =

Entries by Haoreima
I have fixed numerous given names that were incorrectly defined as common nouns (with plural forms). ,, , , , and likely others I missed are defined as forms of proper nouns (or have identical definitions; including given names, which are capitalized in English). , defined as a form of, might have been supposed to be potloi. Some plural forms, e.g., of or, might not exist. Some nouns likely should not be capitalized (almost all are). J3133 (talk) 08:34, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would add that they're fixated on the and  to the point that they create English entries for just about every person, place or thing in Meitei territory, history or folklore, some of which aren't suitable for dictionary entries- at least for English (they've had a number of entries deleted via RFV and RFD, not to mention speedied as "not dictionary material"). They're also still learning about Wiktionary formatting, so a number of their entries were created without headword or other templates. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Graearms
They've been creating Faliscan entries over the past few months, and they seem to be pretty much all a strange mix of wrong headers/POS, wrong templates/no templates and/or wrong language codes. I've fixed up a few, but I'm starting to get cross-eyed... Chuck Entz (talk) 05:56, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

ward
Shouldn’t Etymology 1, only sense: “ A warden; a guard; a guardian or watchman.” and Etymology 2, sense 1.6: “ A guard or watchman; now replaced by warden.” be merged? (Both have quotations by Spenser from The Faerie Queene.) J3133 (talk) 10:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

use and mention quotes on
Some of the quotes for look like they should be formatted as mentions, namely:
 * I explained in my edit summary why these are not mentions: because they are referring to the game, not the word(s). What is your rationale? J3133 (talk) 12:05, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The two examples given here are clearly reference, not use. The original quotes from the developers or players would be use, but the quotes as given here are not. Tristanjlroberts (talk) 12:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * We do not require quotes from developers or players, merely that the words World of Warcrack are used to refer to World of Warcrack, the game, and not the words themselves (e.g., “World of Warcrack has been used since 2005, attested in the magazine MacAddict”). J3133 (talk) 12:38, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The examples here seem far closer to the second of your two than the first. They're even worse in fact because they don't give a specific reference, just gesturing generically at developers and players. I agree we don't generally need statements to be from devs or players, but quotes like these that merely report that devs and players use the term are about as clear cut an example of reference as it gets. Tristanjlroberts (talk) 12:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with Tristanjlroberts, these quotes affirm that people call the game World of Warcrack rather than being examples World of Warcrack actually being used. Arafsymudwr (talk) 13:01, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm somewhat ambivalent as to whether this should be considered a mention or a use. On one hand, it's essentially equivalent to the phrase "absorbed by the so-called World of Warcrack", which would clearly be a use. On the other hand, the way the sentence is written makes it seem like the reader is meant to understand the "what" rather than "World of Warcrack". It doesn't seem like "World of Warcrack" is meant to be part of the author's voice. Ioaxxere (talk) 14:51, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Imo the key fact here is that "World of Warcrack" appears in the relative clauses `what some call the “World of Warcrack.”` and `what was being termed ‘the World Of Warcrack’`. Those relative clauses are clearly mention, as they only report that the phrase is in use. The fact they are embedded in a larger sentence, rather than just saying something like `some call it "World of Warcrack"` or `it was being termed 'the World of Warcrack'` doesn't change this to being use. Tristanjlroberts (talk) 22:10, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that “what some call X” is equivalent to “so-called X” and believe that the inclusion of either phrase does not cause it to become a mention. J3133 (talk) 02:33, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * My identification of these quotes as mention rather than use was done with reference to the guide that Wiktionary has for when to use brackets=on on Template:quote-web etc.
 * I understand that the precise definition of use vs mention is not universally agreed on in academia, which is why I based my reasoning on the main purpose of bothering to mark any quote as mention: to avoid giving the misleading impression that a quote says anything about whether people use the word normally in the quote’s time/context, as opposed to talking about applying the word.
 * A 2019 quote that says some people use the word does not establish that people in general use the word in 2019 – only that some people did (or did in the opinion of the writer) at some point in or before 2019. When I interned at a dictionary, I was told to not bother with a quote for precisely this reason.
 * There may be something to be said for a more exhaustive set of guidelines for when to use brackets=on on Wiktionary. But if people are determined that only use quotes should be in this entry, then I do think it would be best to remove these two quotes entirely. There are several other quotes in the entry to establish that it’s got a lot of use, and they are also better as examples of unselfconscious, in-the-wild use. Perhaps this should be put to an admin without a stake in this entry – @Equinox, say? Arafsymudwr (talk) 19:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I understand that the precise definition of use vs mention is not universally agreed on in academia, which is why I based my reasoning on the main purpose of bothering to mark any quote as mention: to avoid giving the misleading impression that a quote says anything about whether people use the word normally in the quote’s time/context, as opposed to talking about applying the word.
 * A 2019 quote that says some people use the word does not establish that people in general use the word in 2019 – only that some people did (or did in the opinion of the writer) at some point in or before 2019. When I interned at a dictionary, I was told to not bother with a quote for precisely this reason.
 * There may be something to be said for a more exhaustive set of guidelines for when to use brackets=on on Wiktionary. But if people are determined that only use quotes should be in this entry, then I do think it would be best to remove these two quotes entirely. There are several other quotes in the entry to establish that it’s got a lot of use, and they are also better as examples of unselfconscious, in-the-wild use. Perhaps this should be put to an admin without a stake in this entry – @Equinox, say? Arafsymudwr (talk) 19:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * There may be something to be said for a more exhaustive set of guidelines for when to use brackets=on on Wiktionary. But if people are determined that only use quotes should be in this entry, then I do think it would be best to remove these two quotes entirely. There are several other quotes in the entry to establish that it’s got a lot of use, and they are also better as examples of unselfconscious, in-the-wild use. Perhaps this should be put to an admin without a stake in this entry – @Equinox, say? Arafsymudwr (talk) 19:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree that if we have significantly more than 3 cites (as we do here) then we can afford to drop the more mention-y ones. Equinox ◑ 17:05, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

adverse event
Usage notes. Equinox ◑ 21:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Thesaurus:penis/translations
Translingual. The listed synonyms need verification to remove the spurious entries, then diffusion to relevant per-language pages, per Wiktionary_talk:Thesaurus. This, that and the other (talk) 09:39, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Appendix:Irish given names
I think that Appendix:Irish given names is in need of a clean up for multiple reasons:
 * Several entries have no particular connection to Ireland.
 * It contains a large amount of misspelled names.
 * The IPA transcriptions do not represent either Irish or English/are highly inaccurate.
 * Several names have false/inconsistent (starting from different time periods) etymologies.
 * Many links are formatted poorly.
 * It doesn’t clarify whether a name is Irish, Middle Irish, Old Irish, an anglicisation, or an English equivalent.
 * Some of the meanings are fairly abstract or inaccurate.
 * The paragraphs at the beginning need to be cleaned up.

I believe the page should be split into Appendix:English language given names of Irish origin, Appendix:Old Irish given names and Appendix:Irish language given names.

I can tackle many of these issues myself but I’m not sure whether the list should:


 * just be cleaned up and trimmed
 * split into multiple appendices
 * include IPA and/or meanings (especially for entries with links to there pages)
 * be deleted

What do yous think? 2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:2020:92FA:EBA0:B337 19:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I'd say - go for it. If you feel you know better and are willing to help us improve this aspect of our content, you may go about it as you see fit. Perhaps start by removing irrelevant and wrong entries, and see how you go from there. This, that and the other (talk) 03:46, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Will do! Thank you for responding. 2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:4D5D:E52A:EB36:3F63 12:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

metaevolution
Unclear. Lots of different definitions crammed onto one line. Equinox ◑ 02:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

latin dubius/dubito etymon conflicting reconstruction
The pages dubious and dubius/dubito are not sharing the same reconstruction and should be fixed. A cleanup would also help pages like dubious. Tim Utikal (talk) 19:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Momin
English. Plausibility of definitions. Split by etymology. etc. DCDuring (talk) 14:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

non-English T:pedia links (καταραμένος)
καταραμένος was in Category:English terms in nonstandard scripts. In most of the instances I've looked at where a Greek entry was in that category, it was because someone typoed a el as en, like this, but I couldn't find "en" anywhere in καταραμένος. Checking the page source, I realized that at least one of the problems is that el assumes its output is lang="en" and takes "el" to be the link target. Now, I could fix this one page (apparently by converting  to  ?), but I'm raising the issue here because I suspect other entries also use the template this way, including in cases where that doesn't involve a difference in scripts that the category would catch (e.g., poking around I find bam teli using "en" wrong). So someone may want to systematically check for such (mis?)use of this template, and think of a way to discourage it, e.g. throwing an error where the link target is a language code and requiring users to use  in the rare case where they actually want to link to WP's article on sxb (or equivalently for some string that's both a language code and something WP actually has an article on)...? BTW I also notice the etymology uses a template that I think is intended for use only on definition lines, but that's a common problem across lots of entries... - -sche (discuss) 14:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Compare ё and Медина, where I think a wikipedia is what's putting it in Category:English terms in nonstandard scripts(?). - -sche (discuss)


 * I fixed(?) καταραμένος and bam teli but would like to emphasize that the general problem of pedia links assuming parameter 1 can be a language code still needs to be looked for and cleaned up systematically. - -sche (discuss) 20:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Contributions by the Pays de la Loire editor
This is someone who knows quite a bit about a number of languages- and what they don't know, they make up. First noted as an IP gelocating to the Pays de la Loire in France with the characteristic edit summary: "Errors! Missing informations!", they've been around since 2011, if not earlier. They're particularly fond of Japanese, Esperanto, Ancient Greek, Greek, and Proto-Italic, but they've dabbled in a lot of languages- it seems like the more obscure and difficult, the better for them. They're also notable for treating dead languages like modern ones, adding things like pronunciation and inflections that can't be reliably reconstructed to the level they have them.

While I've never seen anyone revert their French contributions- it's their native language, apparently- anything else tends to be a mix of real information with guesswork or even outright fabrication. Because they like to edit in languages that require specialized knowledge, the garbage they've added tends to hang around for a long time. That's why I've posted this topic: their Proto-Italic entries get sent to RFD from time to time, but we need to be more systematic about it.

They were repeatedly blocked, but changed their IP addresses enough that I wrote an abuse filter to keep them out of Japanese, Esperanto and Reconstruction entries. They've had two accounts that I knew of: and - both of which are globally locked (citing fr:User:X- an account that has never visited English Wiktionary).

I have the following IP ranges in my abuse filter because they've been know to edit from them: The French Wiktionary page lists IPs in the following additional ranges And one other account with contributions here: I don't expect anyone to drop everything to work on these- but at least they're all in one place so people can find them and track them. Chuck Entz (talk) 01:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) 89.225.0.0/14 (broken up here into subranges, because the system won't display anything broader than /16)
 * 2) Special:Contributions/89.224.0.0/16
 * 3) Special:Contributions/89.225.0.0/16
 * 4) Special:Contributions/89.226.0.0/16
 * 5) Special:Contributions/89.227.0.0/16
 * 6) Special:Contributions/90.12.0.0/16
 * 7) Special:Contributions/109.211.233.0/24
 * 8) Special:Contributions/2A01:CB05:0:0:0:0:0:0/32
 * 1) Special:Contributions/2.9.120.0/21
 * 2) Special:Contributions/2.9.248.0/21
 * 3) Special:Contributions/37.58.145.98
 * 4) Special:Contributions/82.120.128.0/18
 * 5) Special:Contributions/109.211.104.0/21
 * 6) Special:Contributions/109.211.208.0/21
 * 7) Special:Contributions/109.211.232.0/21
 * 8) Special:Contributions/151.127.36.239

Karalių knyga
Lithuanian. How many books is "Karãlių knygà". Is it 2 or 4 (1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings and 2 Kings)? --RichardW57 (talk) 23:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Most sources only consider 1 Kings and 2 Kings as "Karalių knygos". That said, the term is usually used in plural form "Karalių knygos", that is, "the (two) books of Kings". The singular is usually only used with a preceding "Pirmoji" or "Antroji" to refer to 1 Kings and 2 Kings, respectively. Sometimes the "Pirmoji" and "Antroji" go in the middle of the phrase, in which case they are not capitalized, and sometimes non-pronominal forms "Pirma" and "Antra" are used (in either position). https://www.vle.lt/straipsnis/karaliu-knygos/
 * That said, I did find singular use on the Lithuanian language description of the books on the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints website, https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/gs/kings?lang=lit, so it is occasionally used. 31.205.128.141 10:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Cleaned up.
 * Thank you. Do similar naming considerations apply to the two books of Samuel?  For completeness, what is the stress pattern of ? --RichardW57 (talk) 00:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, the exact same pattern is used for Book of Samuel. The book itself is usually referred to in plural as "Samuelio knygos", with 1 Samuel being "Pirmoji Samuelio knyga" and 2 Samuel being "Antroji Samuelio knyga". Once again, the "Pirmoji/Antroji" can be replaced with non-pronominal forms "Pirma/Antra", and either of these forms can be placed in the middle of the phrase, in which case it is not capitalized ("Samuelio pirmoji knyga"). https://www.vle.lt/straipsnis/samuelio-knygos/
 * The word "Samuelis" follows the second stress pattern. https://vardai.vlkk.lt/vardas/Samuelis 31.205.128.141 11:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. RichardW57 (talk) 14:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

melifer
Romanian. Should this be an adjective rather than a noun? The English definition is that of an adjective. At ro.wiktionary it is listed as an adjective. — Sgconlaw (talk) 20:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

等著瞧
Chinese. Looks a little messy - are all these senses necessarily distinguishable? Ideally we would have quotations rather than just usexes, which also need to be cleaned up with the appropriate templates. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 15:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

isomer label (stereopure, dextrorotatory, etc)
Similar to the situation where another user was de-label-izing Egyptian deities' "Egyptian mythology" labels, I see Solomonfromfinland replacing en labels with manual (chemistry) because, I gather, he wants the entries to categorize into Category:en:Isomer (chemistry) and not the main chemistry category. (OTOH, sometimes he places manual (chemistry) labels alongside actual en labels, so who knows.) If we want isomers to be categorized, I think we should add an "isomer" label for this, and probably just name the category "Isomers" (I'm not sure it needs "(chemistry)" in the name), and maybe make it a set category rather than, as currently worded, a topic category. And if we want to not have to continually deal with this user making messes — see his talk page, block log, and contributions history — it might be worth considering a Competence Is Required block. - -sche (discuss) 18:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Grease_pit/2024/June. - -sche (discuss) 16:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That's it. I felt there wer, and still feel there ar, far too many articles placed directly in Category:en:Chemistry, so i was moving articles into subcategories, some of which i created. I was admonished not to use "manual" labels, and i complied. Yes, we should hav more category "labels", that use the "lb" wikicode. I would create such labels myself, but i don't know how. "Category:en:Isomer (chemistry)" should not be renamed "Isomer(s)"; there is also nuclear isomer. Also, i think "Category:en:Isomer (chemistry)" should be a topic, not set, category; there ar many terms related to such isomers, that aren't names of isomers, or types of isomers, themselves.
 * In general, "Category:en:__", if it directly contains very many articles, should be decluttered; that is, hav those articles moved to subcategories. Wikipedia sometimes has, at the top of a category page, a template saying the same thing. Perhaps we could create, for Wiktionary, a template that can be placed atop a category page, to say the same thing. Solomonfromfinland (talk) 03:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

cawk
English. unusual: 2 same POS headers. Probly needs separate etyms. Cheers, --178.148.202.107 16:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Cleaned up. - -sche (discuss) 23:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Cat:English class 4 strong verbs
Seeking verification that some of these entries belong, in particular beget, break, get, speak, tread and wake. Forget is already in class 5 where the rest might belong; but I'm wary of mass editing as there are so many and of course my last edit before today was rightly reverted. Regregex (talk) 20:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * If these all belong in the same class as their Old English and Proto-(West) Germanic ancestors, then, , and belong in class 5, while  and  belong in class 4 and  in class 6. However, a case could be made that they have all become class 4 in modern English since they all have a past participle in -o- (we don't say *begetten, *getten, *speaken/specken or *waken). —Mahāgaja · talk 20:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * In which case, why do the class definitions in Category:English strong verbs diverge so spectacularly? Regregex (talk) 21:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Edit: after reading TFA the definitions appear so tangential to the eventual class assignments as to make their restatement here almost misleading. Regregex (talk) 22:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't really like assigning modern English strong verbs to the traditional Germanic classes. There are a few like write–wrote–written and take–took–taken that are still unambiguous, but most of them have switched around their ablaut so much that the traditional classes are becoming meaningless. —Mahāgaja · talk 06:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, looking at the category description, "Verbs where the ablaut vowel was followed by a sonorant (m, n, l, r) but no other consonant [all the way back] in Proto-Indo-European" (editorialization added), I question whether this is a useful basis on which to categorize modern English verbs, given the ambiguities about whether verbs which were historically another class but now behave like this class, or verbs which were historically this class but now behave differently, should be in the category. (If we want an etymology category, naming it something like "English verbs derived from PIE class X verbs" would make the intended purpose and scope clearer.) Maybe we should carry this discussion to the BP or RFD? - -sche (discuss) 05:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've started a BP discussion about whether to keep categorizing like this: Beer parlour/2024/July. - -sche (discuss) 16:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

duplicate derived terms (e.g. at sexual)
I notice that sexual has a lot of duplicates, e.g. "sexual education sexual favor sexual favor sexual favour sexual favour sexual fraternization sexual fraternization sexual harassment sexual harassment sexual headache sexual headache sexual identity". This is because the terms are present twice in the actual vertical-bar-separated wikitext list of terms. Do any of our bots check for and remove such duplicates? Alternatively, as long as the template is already auto-alphabetizing the list (the duplicate entries are not next to each other in the wikitext), would it be easier to have the template just silently remove duplicates (and maybe add the entry to a cleanup category for a bot to properly fix), the way that if you write, the template automatically turns it into "(sociology and medicine)"? - -sche (discuss) 22:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Long-standing problem. The auto-alphabetization facilitates addition of large or multiple lists derived terms and does nothing to meliorate the consequences. Even getting rid of exact duplicates, which should be trivial, doesn't address the full problem, which included wasting space on alternative forms, as sexual favor and sexual favour, but also with open, hyphenated, and closed spellings, forms of the type "[X]'s [Y]" / "[X]s [Y]", and more. There are further shortenings-by-combination, but most need to be done manually, like putting grain weevil, and granary weevil on the same line at weevil. DCDuring (talk) 23:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Chaoxianzu
English. Please review etymology, definition, translations. Geographyinitiative (talk) 19:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I&
English. This is a phrasebook page, but it has no translations! Translations are needed Smurrayinchester (talk) 20:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Also, this is generally regarded as a dated and potentially derogatory construction in English these days. If it is to be kept, it should be changed to “I’m lesbian”. Compare the usage notes at and . — Sgconlaw (talk) 23:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that's accurate. It's definitely true of gay and transgender (transsexual is out of favour for other reasons anyway), but I think lesbian is still used primarily as a noun (presumably the difference is that gay and transgender sound adjective-y, and people generally object to being called "an [adjective]", but the -ian suffix still productively forms nouns, so "a lesbian" sounds no more wrong than "an Italian" or "a librarian"). Google Ngrams shows "I'm a lesbian" is far more popular than "I'm lesbian" with no sign of decline.
 * Looking online, even the most up-to-date, right-on terminology glossaries say "a lesbian": LGBTQIA Resource Center uses phrases like "However, some nonbinary people also identify as lesbians" "Femme: Historically used in the lesbian community to refer to a feminine lesbian", and "Dyke: A lesbian or queer woman" (I guess you could argue that's "a [lesbian or queer] woman", but the others are clearly nouns).
 * (And speaking personally, I'm pretty sure every gay woman I know calls herself "a lesbian". "I'm lesbian" sounds wrong and I can't imagine them using it like that - they would say "I'm gay" or "I'm queer" if they wanted an adjective to describe themselves) Smurrayinchester (talk) 07:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree. Using as a noun to refer to a person is just plain wrong; using  as a noun is IMO acceptable only as a generalized plural (e.g. Gays were outraged at the verdict or "Where're my gays at?"), but  as a noun is completely unproblematic. (I don't agree that it's weird to say "I'm lesbian", though; I think it's equally fine with or without the a.) —Mahāgaja · talk 07:40, 10 June 2024.
 * OK, well I’m guided by editors more knowledgeable about this. Perhaps a usage note would be apposite here and at . — Sgconlaw (talk) 09:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/24.108.18.81
This is an editor clearly eager to contribute etymologies to Wiktionary, but seemingly not as eager to make sure they actually get any of them right. Many of their etymologies rely on original research, which to those more familiar with the topics often comes across as simply wrong. However, they have contributed many etymologies, and have been able to run rampant for quite a while, since not every language they have covered has had someone with the time and expertise to check after them. I suspect all etymologies added by this editor will need to be checked, although it will be a gargantuan effort. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 19:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I noticed this as well. (We sure seem to attract a lot of people who make weird edits to etymologies.) Some smaller edits / formatting tweaks are correct AFAICT (others aren't); other, more substantial edits contain kernels of useful information, like about Shetland (see WT:ES discussion), but require significant revision; other edits in various languages have been entirely reverted by knowledgeable editors. Should we restrict (block) the user from editing the main namespace (letting them still edit discussion pages), perhaps? - -sche (discuss) 22:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This edit to rhwyf is in the vein of the Shetland edits: gets no hits, "reimo-" gets a few hits in old books which may or may not be relevant or superseded by more recent scholarship: it's plausible that, as at Shetland, a different spelling might get hits, or maybe it's just wrong (the IP just copied it from WP). Seeing that the user has been warned (and blocked) several times over several years and is still at it, I'm proceeding with blocking them from editing content namespaces for 2 years. They can still suggest resources/etymologies on talk. Other discussions: WT:Etymology scriptorium/2024/May, WT:Etymology scriptorium/2024/June. - -sche (discuss) 22:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You wrote "(We sure seem to attract a lot of people who make weird edits to etymologies.)"
 * I think there might be a kind of continuum. At one end, a sort of Whorf-related magical-thinking belief that changing "the dictionary" in a certain way will change a society's collective mind about the editor's hidden agenda. (Some people doing that kind of editing seem very committed, and may also need to be committed.) At the other end, it's just entertaining to speculate about words – for some people at least. TooManyFingers (talk) 15:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

oversight
The Indian pronunciation of oversight is given as /ˈoːbʱə(ɾ)ˌsaɪt/. While such pronunciation is common in eastern Indian states like Assam, Odisha, Tripura, and West Bengal, as well as in Bangladesh, other states of India would pronounce the word more like /ˈoːʋə(ɾ)ˌsaɪt/ (with /ʋ/ being realized as either [v] or [w]). I use either of the two pronunciations. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 15:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Miscategorised entries
Several entries are in Category:German terms with quotations but aren't German terms at all, e.g.:
 * Cora: aná, arachuíj, átziꞌi
 * Reconstruction:Proto-Albanian/anja
 * Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/ansijō, Reconstruction:Proto-West Germanic/aiþum, Reconstruction:Proto-West Germanic/airist, Reconstruction:Proto-West Germanic/amslā


 * Not only are they not German terms, they don't have quotations. What they do have is reference templates to works written in German that are using the passage parameter. —Mahāgaja · talk 08:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This is all because of the IMO misguided project to unite (the code base of) cite-* and quote-* templates. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 09:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

sensu stricto, sensu lato
sensu stricto and sensu lato both list the (in the last century-or-so) more common form as an "alternative spelling" of a word-swapped form. Surely the main entry should be the ones starting with "sensu"?

Ngram: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=sensu+stricto%2Cstricto+sensu%2Csensu+lato%2Clato+sensu&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true

(This is going to affect four articles. Do I them all?) Artoria2e5 (talk) 16:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

low speed, high drag
English, but the definitions are barely English... "Adverb [...] Low efficiently or not competently", "large supply chain to get moving Low Speed, High Drag a A-10 fully kitted out with max ordnance ." - -sche (discuss) 16:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

ពេញបូណ៌មី
Khmer. --kc_kennylau (talk) 11:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

ប្រាសាទលលៃ
Khmer. --kc_kennylau (talk) 15:50, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

codswallop
English. The etymology section doesn't need all that clatter (codswallop, if you will) listing possible usages and senses that could otherwise be conveyed in the proper article section. The two addendums in Further Reading is enough. <b style="color:crimson;font:small-caps bold 15px 'Reem Kufi', sans-serif">Jimi</b><b style="color:#333;font:small-caps bold 15px 'Reem Kufi', sans-serif">Y ☽ ru</b> 10:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)