Wiktionary:Votes/2007-07/Best ice cream example vote

Best ice cream example vote

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With this vote, we shall end the million-year old controversy of which flavor of ice cream is the best. Add additional flavors as L4 headings, before "Decision".


 * Vote ends: 14 July 2007
 * Vote started: --Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote created: --Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
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Chocolate

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Strong support. bd2412 T 01:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support ArielGlenn 05:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Strong Oppose: Ew, chocolate.  Absolutely worst thing to come in an ice cream ever.  Even though I know that is a controversial decree.  Somehow chocolate ice cream has always made me sick.  So ew. Neskaya 05:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I fully agree with Neskaya here.
 * 8) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC) I once read that 14 out of every 10 people like chocolate.
 * 9) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Late support Chocolate is the best at this moment of my life. In 2007, I would definitely have chosen vanilla. --Daniel 19:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Late support Chocolate is the best at this moment of my life. In 2007, I would definitely have chosen vanilla. --Daniel 19:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Chocolate chip

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Mint chocolate chip

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose: I used to love this, but I've become quite tired of it. DAVilla 11:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Neskaya 06:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose EncycloPetey 05:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Disgusting; I once knew someone who made floats out of this flavor and Dr. Pepper.
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose EncycloPetey 05:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Disgusting; I once knew someone who made floats out of this flavor and Dr. Pepper.

Chocolate chocolate chip

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Strong Oppose Neskaya 05:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I fully agree with Neskaya here.

Chocolate chocolate-chip fudge

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose DAVilla 11:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Neskaya 06:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I can't support such utter frivolity.
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support ArielGlenn 06:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I can't believe I didn't see this heading earlier.  This flavor is *awesome* !
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Bwah, chocolate ice.
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Vanilla

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Will change to support if candidate indicates it will be used primarily for milkshakes and the like, or with butterscotch topping
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) It’s so dull.
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC) But only a really good vanilla where you can see the seeds in it, otherwise it won't have that rich vanilla flavor.

Coffee

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC) This candidate doesn't deserve the harsh treatment it's receiving! I believe it would make an excellent Tasty Flavor of Ice Cream.
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose — Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC) (— Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC))
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose ArielGlenn 05:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I do not like coffee.

Strawberry

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Abstain: I absolutely love strawberries, but I absolutlely detest artificial strawberry flavor. In Asia, where I have been for the past year and a half and lived for the past four years, there are very few quality ice cream brands. Too many flavors of strawberry, if they aren't completely fake, mix the artificial flavor with aged strawberries that have been super-sweetened. DAVilla 11:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Rocky road

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC) Deserts and nuts should never be combined.
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose — Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC) (Oppose per Connel MacKenzie, and because the name has always sounded odd to me. — Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC))
 * It is an odd name, isn't it? For the longest time, I thought it was Colonel MacKenzie. ;-) Helluva lot more interesting than David though. Maybe I should change my name to Rocky. ;-) Or maybe just a symbol, like a full circle. :-P Not sure how to pronounce it though. Maybe "Saro". :-7 DAVilla 00:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Another member of the Chocolatist camp.
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose ArielGlenn 06:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC) What on earth are those marashmellows doing in there?  Let alone the nuts...
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Ew.  Chocolate? Neskaya 06:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I have no idea what this is.  Once again, the vote is not designed for a multilingual dictionary.
 * Incorrect. I have no knowledge of ice cream styles in Italy, China, Peru or Algeria, so I didn't enter any such choices; as you have demonstrated below, options can be added easily.  I was hopeful that we'd get a whole bunch of really obscure choices, but so far that hasn't happened.  It is Rocky road ice cream, but is not as popular as the biased WP article indicates.  --Connel MacKenzie 22:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Dvortygirl 05:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Yuck. Who came up with putting walnuts and marshmallows in ice cream, anyway? --Dvortygirl 05:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Marshmallows are an abomination.
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Medellia 06:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC) As I recall, I come from the birthplace of the flavor. Someone has to, for lack of a better term, represent.
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Medellia 06:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC) As I recall, I come from the birthplace of the flavor. Someone has to, for lack of a better term, represent.
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Medellia 06:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC) As I recall, I come from the birthplace of the flavor. Someone has to, for lack of a better term, represent.

Natural strawberry

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC) I really have having to make "strawberry" into a retronym though. DAVilla 22:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support — Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC) (— Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC))
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Connel MacKenzie 05:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC) It is the wrong color! And too many people are allergic to strawberries to make this "the" flavor.  --Connel MacKenzie 21:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Strong Support Yum. Neskaya 06:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Leftmostcat 06:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Cookie Dough

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Neskaya 05:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Image:Symbol support vote.svg Support Connel MacKenzie 05:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain Connel MacKenzie 06:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Comment: Ewww, botulism.  --Connel MacKenzie 06:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems over-reactive to me. Please substantiate. DAVilla 22:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Strong Support Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Very strong candidate. Shows many of the qualities I seek in a Tasty Flavor of Ice Cream and has a long history of being delicious.
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose ArielGlenn 06:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC) There is not nearly enough chocolate in this flavor.
 * The distinct lack of overbearing chocolate is why this flavour does not meet the standard of ew, and is therefore a candidate for best flavour ever. :p Neskaya 06:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I have no idea what this is.
 * Vanilla ice cream with small chunks of raw chocolate-chip-cookie dough mixed in. --Connel MacKenzie 22:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose - what sort of idiot would put cookie dough into ice cream? Oh, I see, it's American. SemperBlotto 22:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain DAVilla 22:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC) Can't remember if I've tried this or not. Sounds delicious and simultaneously repulsive. DAVilla 22:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Cookies & Cream

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Leftmostcat 06:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I have no idea what this is.
 * Vanilla ice cream with Oreo (tm) cookies smashed into tiny pieces, mixed in. --Connel MacKenzie 22:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)}
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose DAVilla 22:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC) Shouldn't that be "creme" i.e. not real? DAVilla 22:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Connel MacKenzie 00:09, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Pistachios

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Has been my favorita ever since I was a kid.
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Connel MacKenzie 19:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Nuts are evil in ice cream.
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support DAVilla 20:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Wonderful flavor! Should drop the s in the title though. DAVilla 20:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Hazelnut

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC) This is my favorite flavor; when I visited Hungary you could get it for just 8 or 9 cents for each delicious scoop (12 cents at the expensive shops).
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support DAVilla 20:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Connel MacKenzie 00:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC) No nuts in any desert context.  (And everyone ignores the vote end date, anyhow.  :-)

Lemon

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC) (Mmm... — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC))
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain Okay, but too often aritificial, as if it were really that difficult to get the flavor of lemon! Also not so good in large quantities, which is the only way I like to eat ice cream! DAVilla 20:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Raspberry

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC) (Called Himbeere, this is a German flavour. I admit that putting raspberries in ice-cream is a little bit odd, but it's much better than putting them in beer... — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC))
 * 2) Support Delicious! DAVilla 20:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain On the other hand, all those little seeds are a little annoying. DAVilla 22:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Falude

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC) (Ah, multi-cultural ice-cream! Connel MacKenzie, I think this qualifies as obscure and peculiar :-) For an incomplete explanation of it, see Faloodeh (that explains it as a different style, but it is also possible to make falude-flavoured ice-cream). — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC))
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain Haven't tried it. From the ingredients, it sounds really good though. DAVilla 22:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Decision

 * This vote is now closed. DAVilla 00:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary's unofficial favorite flavor of ice cream is Natural strawberry with 5 in favor, 1 opposed, and 6 abstaining. The runners up were Chocolate chip and Hazelnut, each with 2 in favor, none opposed, and 10 abstaining. DAVilla 00:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Erm, no. Wiktionary's "official" ice cream doesn't exist; the result of the vote is "no consensus."  --Connel MacKenzie 16:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * In this case, yes, I think no consensus is the result. If this were an issue for which we absolutely had to pick a course of action, I think Natural Strawberry would be the chosen option, because it had the most support there was very little explicit opposition to it. — Beobach972 05:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Could either of you please explain that numerically? The majority criterion for this vote was not established, so I assumed that the vote tally had to be greater than zero, which it was. But that's probably the most minimal consensus criterion there is. I wouldn't necessarily disagree that there isn't concensus, I just don't want to have to depend on subjective opinions on real votes. DAVilla 19:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. If this had been an official vote, the period would have automatically been extended to August 13th (one month past the last time an option was added) right? --16:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah... that's probably true... which could make voting quite confusing, and never-ending, if we don't somehow cap it. — Beobach972 05:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, but it would be best, in my opinion, to have all options existing before the vote starts, or perhaps in an early phase where both could occur, but not within the final 30 or however many days of the vote. DAVilla 19:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * So, it should have been entered as a tentative vote, then given a month or two to accumulate other options? I think a lot can be said for using this style as an option-gathering phase.  --Connel MacKenzie 20:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't see that cookie dough had been added. Mmmm, cookie dough. bd2412 T 22:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think is it worth noting how skewed the "result" was; can we conclude that all en.wiktionary votes are so under-representative that none should be considered "binding" or permanent? None are permanent; they are simply fixed in place until a overriding vote comes along, that represents the (ever-changing) community opinion du jour.  --Connel MacKenzie 20:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)