Wiktionary:Votes/2009-08/Rename Category:US Category:American English

Rename Category:US Category:American English
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Rename Category:US so it names the regional dialect it represents, American English, and to match the form used in every other name of a subcategory of Category:Regional English (the term US English is not used by linguists or lexicographers). This affects only the name of the category. Previous discussion at Beer parlour.

FYI, the corresponding thematic category is Category:United States of America. This proposal does not affect the text or name of the dialect label. —Michael Z. 2009-08-26 00:55 z 


 * Vote starts: 00:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 24:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Vote created: —Michael Z. 2009-08-26 00:55 z  00:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
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 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/2009-08/Rename Category:US Category:American English

Support

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  —Michael Z. 2009-08-30 23:44 z  23:44, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support If this is not affecting non-linguistic entries, which shouldn't be under American English but under US. Anatoli 05:23, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support --Dijan 08:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Rising Sun 09:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC) Since American English seems to be the common name for "English spoken in the USA" --Rising Sun 08:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) support -- Prince Kassad 09:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —Ruakh TALK 12:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support — Vahagn Petrosyan 13:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Daniel. 06:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support –blurpeace (talk) 06:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support.  The definition of Category:American English would clarify that it is English of the USA.  Otherwise change name to Category:US English, but Category:US is misnamed. &mdash;AugPi 07:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Bequw → ¢ • τ 20:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support purposeful change. This is the correct adjective for US but I wouldn't fight an alternative that had consensus. DAVilla 03:33, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support — Carolina wren discussió  04:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC) While there are some hypertechnical reasons to disapprove of the choice of a new name, none of the alternatives are as user friendly, and this choice won't confuse anyone. — Carolina wren discussió  04:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support.  &#x200b;—  msh210  ℠  17:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. —Internoob (Talk•Cont.) 22:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose - there are irreconcilable orthographical differences between the spellings established in USA and the rest of anglophone America (notably Canada, Belize, Guyana). Canadian spelling adheres in many points to Commonwealth English (it is part of the Commonwealth), as do Éire and numerous other countries. To treat regional spellings like favor, defense, center, traveled as American, though they are never used in Guyana, Canada, Belize is a lack of knowledge in geography and/or a try to overæstimate their regional applicability. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 12:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We say "American", we mean "United States of American". Though technically not correct, in practice this is always so. --Vahagn Petrosyan 13:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The adjective unambiguously derived from USA is US and is the current apt designation. The primary meaning of American (1st meaning in, exempli gratia, ) is pertaining to the Americas, to South and North America, where Commonwealth English is also current (in said countries). The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 15:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So, would you support a proposal to rename it to Category:US English? —Ruakh TALK 06:05, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As the entry is supposed to be under the header English, this would not be necessary. See for example - the tag is simply Austrian, Swiss in lieu of Swiss, Austrian German because of the extant header. Since Austrian is the unambiguous adjective derived from Austria as is US from USA, I decisevely opt for the status quo in order that a consistent approach towards regional designations be præserved. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 10:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We're not talking about the header or the label, but the category name. Please have a decisive look at Category:Regional English with a consistent approach in mind.  One of these things is not like the others. —Michael Z. 2009-09-09 13:01 z 
 * By the way, U.S. English is the name of a right-wing political group, not of a dialect. —Michael Z. 2009-09-09 13:20 z 
 * In South America, the term norteamericano literally means "North American", but it is primarily used to mean somebody of the USA, not Canada (definitely not Mexico). &mdash;AugPi 07:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Robert Ullmann 14:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) Abstain - I prefer to avoid the cooptation of "American" to mean solely the USA, and would personally prefer the reverse of this proposal. On another hand, I tend to agree with naming standards which are not specific wikimedia projects: What are the experts using? For software, at least, the options tend to be US and UK English. - Amgine/talk 18:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain —Stephen 11:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Decision

 * Passes 15–2–2. The transition will not be instantaneous, but I'll start the process. —Ruakh TALK 19:34, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * O.K., that was easier than I thought: almost all of the members of that category were categorized by using, which I've updated. I've also updated all of the exceptions, except for four — Archgrounds, Medal of Honor, Saxbe fix, and inside-the-Beltway — where I couldn't tell if the intended category was Category:American English, or Category:United States of America. Perhaps both are appropriate. —Ruakh TALK 20:07, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think many proper names don't need dialectal labels. Where a word is used in English is a lexical quality, but where people have heard of a thing is not so much.  For good measure, I'll place these into the USA category. —Michael Z. 2009-10-04 23:05 z 
 * Thanks for cleaning that up. I resolved the last four, variously. —Michael Z. 2009-10-04 23:13 z