Wiktionary:Votes/2010-02/Installing LiquidThreads

Installing LiquidThreads

 * Voting on: Installing the LiquidThreads extension on Wiktionary. LiquidThreads is currently installed by Wikimedia Strategy, English Wikinews, and Bugzilla, and may be tested at http://liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org.

LiquidThreads replaces discussion pages with actual forums, giving the following benefits: (Copied from )
 * A clear, simplified post/reply workflow so new users can jump right into the discussion.
 * Simple management of threads, including automation of archival, refactoring, and other tasks currently undertaken by bots and humans.
 * A powerful, flexible notification system, allowing users to keep abreast of developments in areas in which they are interested, ranging from entire discussion pages to discussion fragments.
 * Support for following discussion pages with RSS feeds.
 * Flexible post ordering, allowing users to keep track of which threads on a talk page are dead, and which threads are active.
 * A modern, AJAX-based interface, that allows users to quickly post and reply to other posts, without clumsy page loading.

To fully understand LiquidThreads, I suggest you try it out at http://liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org/. --Yair rand 07:31, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Vote starts: 00:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 24:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Vote created: Yair rand 07:31, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Beer parlour archive/2010/February
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] WT:BP
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/2010-02/Installing LiquidThreads

Support

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Yair rand 00:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 00:09, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Nadando 22:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —Stephen 06:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC) I support it for optional use on users' talk pages. I wouldn’t care to use it myself, and I’m against having it on community pages such as BP. —Stephen 06:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  I see only benefit in allowing small-scale tests. --Bequw → τ 15:32, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. Sounds good to me. bd2412 T 02:31, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 05:16, 27 April 2010 (UTC) Discussions are hard to follow, and improvement is quite welcome!
 * 8) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Ivan Štambuk 05:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Worth enabling testing. I assume that it would be removed promptly without vote if there are major problems of any kind and not reinstalled until those problems were addressed. DCDuring TALK 17:55, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I would not assume it would be removed without vote when only voter in support seems to want that. Also, removing it would require a developer, who may not be willing to do so, less so "promptly". &#x200b;—msh210℠ 16:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Chances of anything happening that would require a complete disabling of LQT are virtually none, and if something did happen, the developers would probably treat it as an emergency. This has been used for quite a while on some projects, and seems pretty stable. Most of the things in the bug list seem to be suggestions for possible improvements to LQT, or otherwise requests to use LQT on a project (Hungarian Wikipedia and Swedish Wikisource have both requested LQT).--Yair rand 17:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Caladon 07:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. I would actually oppose as I had, but I support that option that is supported by the majority. --Dan Polansky 20:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Weakly oppose. This is buggy, per Conrad, and certainly not necessary. I wouldn't mind installing it and never using it except that apparently users can choose to use it on their talkpages, which it's sometimes necessary to use. &#x200b;—msh210℠ 14:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Er, have any of the projects that are using LQT had any real trouble with it? The list of bugs seems to be mainly possibilities for improvements, not real problems. (And if they were real problems, then people wouldn't use it on their talk pages if they minded, would they?) --Yair rand 17:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Re real trouble, I don't know. Re real problems, see : even a number of the mere enhancement requests are what users would call problems. And re what people would do on their talkpages despite bugs, well, no, I disagree. If LiquidThreads were somehow necessary, maybe I'd vote for it despite the bugs, but it's not at all AFAICT. &#x200b;—msh210℠ 18:56, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I didn't mean to disagree with "if they were real problems, then people wouldn't use it on their talk pages if they minded" but rather with the different "if they were real problems, then people wouldn't use it on their talk pages". &#x200b;—msh210℠ 20:41, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose EncycloPetey 18:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC) per the bugginess and inflated pages with size limitations already noted in discussion. --EncycloPetey 18:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't a vote about using LQT in the discussion rooms, it's about enabling the possibility of using it on Wiktionary. If you don't want to use it on your talk page, then just don't add the {#useliquidthreads:1}. What's the problem? --Yair rand 19:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I stated in my vote what the problems are. You can read them above.  You can disagree with me if you like, but please don't badger me for information I've already provided.  This is not a discussion; this is a vote.  I have voted. --EncycloPetey 19:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not trying to change your vote, I'm just trying to figure out what it is that I missing. Feel free not to respond if you don't feel like clarifying. (And someone here is definitely missing something (probably me) because I honestly don't understand your or msh210's statements in the slightest.) --Yair rand 19:56, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * EP, when I read your post I had the same question as Yair. I see no badgering, simply an attempt at civil discourse. --Bequw → τ 15:40, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose. --Dan Polansky 07:19, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Neskaya contribs–talk? 16:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC) Still too buggy. --Neskaya contribs–talk? 16:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Razorflame 20:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC) If something is buggy, it should not be used. Razor<b style="color:#006">fl</b><b style="color:#003">am</b><b style="color:#000">e</b> 20:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Fortunately, this vote is not about using LQT, it's about enabling the possibility of using it. Should this vote pass, it will be up to each user to determine whether or not it is too buggy to use. Having it available before the bugs are fixed doesn't really do any harm though, does it? --Yair rand 20:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * People do not own pages on Wiktionary. Even their own talkpages, to which they have more ownership than to most, others need to use. If the community thinks something is too buggy to use, then they should not allow its use on such pages either. &#x200b;—msh210℠ 20:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain Conrad.Irwin 00:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC) I don't like it, but then I'm grouchy and old and boring.  Conrad.Irwin 00:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain —Internoob (Disc•Cont) 01:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC) I like the idea, but then I don't like bugs.
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain. I can't support installing this without even the most basic of guidelines about how it's to be used. Previous discussion proposes, and some comments above assume, that the initial policy will be something like "Use of this feature is forbidden, except that editors may choose to activate it on their own talk-pages"; but nothing in the voted-upon text actually specifies that. (I'm also not sure I support all the claims being made in the vote text, but since they seem to be informative rather than normative, and no one seems to be proposing that they go into a policy page, that's not a deal-breaker for me.) —Ruakh <i >TALK</i > 15:56, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Decision

 * Passes 11-4-3. Bug filed at . --Yair rand 00:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me note after the close of this vote that if this vote is intepreted as supporting the use of Liquid threads in Beer parlour, then I would like to take back my supporting vote, and restore my opposing vote. --Dan Polansky 08:23, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Responded in the BP. This vote has nothing to do with the BP or any other discussion room. It is simply about making the extension available. --Yair rand 15:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * LiquidThreads is now available on Wiktionary. I've started a testing page at LiquidThreads testing. --Yair rand 17:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)