Wiktionary:Votes/2011-04/Lexical categories

Lexical categories
Voting on:
 * 1) Splitting the following categories:
 * 2) * Category:Archaic &rarr; Category:Archaic terms by language and Category:English archaic terms
 * 3) * Category:Catachreses &rarr; Category:Catachreses by language and Category:English catachreses
 * 4) * Category:Childish &rarr; Category:Childish terms by language and Category:English childish terms
 * 5) * Category:Colloquial &rarr; Category:Colloquialisms by language and Category:English colloquialisms
 * 6) * Category:Contranyms &rarr; Category:Contranyms by language and Category:English contranyms
 * 7) * Category:Dated &rarr; Category:Dated terms by language and Category:English dated terms
 * 8) * Category:Derogatory &rarr; Category:Derogatory terms by language and Category:English derogatory terms
 * 9) * Category:Disputed usage &rarr; Category:Disputed terms by language and Category:English disputed terms
 * 10) * Category:Euphemisms &rarr; Category:Euphemisms by language and Category:English euphemisms
 * 11) * Category:Examples of syncope &rarr; Category:Syncopic forms by language and Category:English syncopic forms
 * 12) * Category:Hypercorrect &rarr; Category:Hypercorrections by language and Category:English hypercorrections
 * 13) * Category:Informal &rarr; Category:Informal terms by language and Category:English informal terms
 * 14) * Category:Jocular &rarr; Category:Jocular terms by language and Category:English jocular terms
 * 15) * Category:Literary &rarr; Category:Literary terms by language and Category:English literary terms
 * 16) * Category:Neologisms &rarr; Category:Neologisms by language and Category:English neologisms
 * 17) * Category:Nonce words &rarr; Category:Nonce terms by language and Category:English nonce terms
 * 18) * Category:Nonstandard &rarr; Category:Nonstandard terms by language and Category:English nonstandard terms
 * 19) * Category:Obsolete &rarr; Category:Obsolete terms by language and Category:English obsolete terms
 * 20) * Category:Offensive &rarr; Category:Offensive terms by language and Category:English offensive terms
 * 21) * Category:Oxymorons &rarr; Category:Oxymorons by language and Category:English oxymorons
 * 22) * Category:Pejoratives &rarr; Category:Pejoratives by language and Category:English pejoratives
 * 23) * Category:Poetic &rarr; Category:Poetic terms by language and Category:English poetic terms
 * 24) * Category:Politically correct &rarr; Category:Politically correct terms by language and Category:English politically correct terms
 * 25) * Category:Rare &rarr; Category:Rare terms by language and Category:English rare terms
 * 26) * Category:Reduplication &rarr; Category:Reduplications by language and Category:English reduplications
 * 27) * Category:Slang &rarr; Category:Slang by language and Category:English slang
 * 28) * Category:Twice-borrowed words &rarr; Category:Twice-borrowed terms by language and Category:English twice-borrowed terms
 * 29) * Category:Vulgarities &rarr; Category:Vulgarities by language and Category:English vulgarities
 * 30) * Category:Words with multiple etymologies &rarr; Category:Terms with multiple etymologies by language and Category:English terms with multiple etymologies
 * 31) Renaming the foreign-language subcategories accordingly (for example, renaming Category:pt:Vulgarities to Category:Portuguese vulgarities).
 * 32) Renaming the following categories:
 * 33) * Category:Back-formations &rarr; Category:Back-formations by language
 * 34) * Category:Blends &rarr; Category:Blends by language
 * 35) * Category:Clippings &rarr; Category:Clippings by language
 * 36) * Category:Eponyms &rarr; Category:Eponyms by language
 * 37) * Category:Heteronyms &rarr; Category:Heteronyms by language
 * 38) * Category:Homophones &rarr; Category:Homophones by language
 * 39) * Category:Suppletion &rarr; Category:Suppletion by language
 * 40) * Category:Suppletive adverbs &rarr; Category:Suppletive adverbs by language
 * 41) * Category:Suppletive paradigms &rarr; Category:Suppletive paradigms by language
 * 42) * Category:Terms with alpha privatives &rarr; Category:Terms with alpha privatives by language

Rationale: This would make these categories nominally consistent with the existent categories listed below, among many others.


 * Category:English informal spellings and Category:Informal spellings by language
 * Category:English obsolete forms and Category:Obsolete forms by language
 * Category:English apocopic forms and Category:Apocopic forms by language
 * Category:English nouns and Category:Nouns by language
 * Category:English symbols and Category:Symbols by language
 * Category:English phrases and Category:Phrases by language
 * Category:English suffixes and Category:Suffixes by language

Notes:
 * The first and second proposals, in particular, nominally change the categories from "topical categories" to "lexical categories"; for example, Category:Pejoratives might currently include terms related to pejoratives, whereas the proposed new name implies that it will only include terms that are pejoratives. However, in practice they are already used as lexical categories, and many of them have adjective names (such as "Archaic" rather than "Archaisms") that do not lend themselves to interpretation as topical categories.
 * All three proposals further contribute to a standard view of "lexical categories" by assuring that the umbrella categories contain "by language", which is consistent with the existent umbrella categories mentioned at the rationale above.
 * This vote is not intended to forbid future categories' deletions or renamings via the usual community processes. For example, a vote would not be required to move Category:Suppletion by language to Category:Suppletive forms by language, or delete it, if a WT:RFM or WT:RFDO determined that any of such actions were desirable.


 * Vote starts: 00:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 23.59, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Vote created: Daniel. 08:33, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] WT:BP
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/2011-04/Lexical categories

Support

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Daniel. 00:16, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support &mdash;Internoob (Disc•Cont) 20:57, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support as way better than the current system. Dan and others are discussing (on this vote's talkpage) what some think to be an even better system than this, but this one is on the table now and I support it. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 14:46, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. —Ruakh TALK 18:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Mglovesfun (talk) 13:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC) I've explained why on the talk page to save space on this page.
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Yair rand 19:13, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support--Brett 14:21, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support — [&#32;R·I·C&#32;] Laurent — 15:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  Dan Polansky 09:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC) I have decided to oppose because adding "by language" to the names really is a worsening: it makes the name needlessly long by clarifying what was already pretty clear before. --Dan Polansky 09:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Advantages of mentioning "by language" (other than the standardization mentioned at the introduction of this vote) include: (1) Providing disambiguation between different categories, such as the topical "Category:Parts of speech" and the lexical "Category:Parts of speech by language". (2) Encouraging users to place only categories of individual languages within the umbrella categories. For example, a category named "Category:Rare terms" or "Category:Rare", judging by its name alone (and even by a number of contributions of multiple editors), contains rare terms, perhaps in English or regardless of the language. On the other hand, "Category:Rare terms by language" implies a need to clarify the language in question, which becomes an intuitive and easy task due to the existence of members named "Category:English rare terms", "Category:Portuguese rare terms", and so on. --Daniel. 13:43, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not convinced. Re 1: Category:Parts of speech by language should be called "Terms by parts of speech" (which is what it really contains; it does not contain parts of speech by language), and its subcategories should be called on the model of "Terms by parts of speech (Dutch)" or on your model of "Dutch terms by parts of speech". Re 2: The category structure already makes it clear whether the category contains only subcategories or also English terms. So I see no significant advantage; to the contrary, an example category given as an example is wrongly named. --Dan Polansky 13:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 14:35, 21 April 2011 (UTC) Don't really understand the objections to the current system.
 * This vote isn't (intended to be) about changing the current system, but about renaming a number of categories to (arguably) be more consistent with the rest of the current system. —Ruakh TALK 14:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Abstain

 * [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain Dan Polansky 09:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC) I hesitate whether to abstain or oppose, but go for abstain right now. The good thing about the proposal is that it aligns some names with a naming scheme or algorithm already used elsewhere: it applies the naming scheme for lexical categories to categories that are indeed lexical. But what I see as a deeper problem is that there should not really be separate naming schemes for lexical and topical categories: something like "Trees (French)" and "Obsolete (French)" would be way nicer than "fr:Trees" and "French obsolete terms" I think. I am not even sure whether "French obsolete terms" is a good grammar as regards the order of adjectives; I would expect "Obsolete French terms", whyever. Furthermore, I do not know why "Category:Blends by language" is better than "Category:Blends", but I admit that this scheme has been used elsewhere before. Moreover, Category:Disputed usage → Category:Disputed terms by language and Category:English disputed terms looks suspect; are the terms disputed or is it their usage in some sense that is disputed? Compare to "Disputed usage (French)". To sum up and repeat, the proposal ensures alignment with a rather poor scheme. --Dan Polansky 09:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain  whatever suits one best, I guess. -- Prince Kassad 15:37, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Decision

 * Passes 8-2-1 --Daniel. 02:41, 11 May 2011 (UTC)