Wiktionary:Votes/2011-10/Unified Romanian

Unified Romanian

 * Voting on: unifying Category:Romanian language and Category:Moldavian language into a single Category:Romanian language. This will involve the emptying and eventual deletion of all of the subcategories of Category:Moldavian language including topical categories that start with Category:mo:. The L2 header ==Moldavian== will be changed to ==Romanian==.
 * Moldavian (also called Moldovan, Moldovian) will be treated as a form of Romanian.
 * Romanian words which meet Wiktionary's general Criteria for Inclusion will be allowed, whether they are written in the Latin script, in the historical Cyrillic script (in use before 1860), or in the modern Cyrillic script (in use before 1989 in Moldova and still in use in Transnistria).


 * Vote starts: 00:01, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 23.59, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Vote created: - -sche (discuss) 01:45, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] WT:BP
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] WT:BP
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/2011-10/Unified Romanian

Support

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. --JorisvS 11:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) No votes yet? [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support -- Liliana • 11:52, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. --Anatoli 12:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. --Vahag 14:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] A weak support. I don't know much about the issue: I am voting in support based on the discussion on the talkpage. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 16:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support --LaPietre 10:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no issue. There is no Moldovan language. The fact that this has to be voted on is nothing short of ridiculous. —  [Ric Laurent] — 18:25, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Is that why you haven't voted in support? &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 20:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I actually thought about voting oppose. This vote is bureaucratic masturbation. But ultimately I figured that an oppose vote (by the only person speaking Romanian commenting here so far, I might add) wouldn't be any less ridiculous than the vote itself, and for some reason I didn't feel that particular bit of irony would have been pleasing to me. —  [Ric Laurent] — 20:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There are many more ridiculous things in life, like creation of the Montenegrin language. The vote is just to oppose these stupid things created by polititians and supported by a layer of populace. On the subject, there are still some people in Moldova who think they speak Moldavian/Moldovan, especially if they never learned the Roman alphabet properly. Interesting enough, they also argue that Romanian Roman spelling is far more complicated than the Cyrillic Moldovan. I heard, for example that they wouldn't have a clue how to pronounce Chișinău, they got used to Кишинэу.--Anatoli 22:06, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Montenegrin...ugh lol. I don't think we have anybody from Moldova here, and I don't think that the people who believe they speak Moldovan know what the internet is, so we probably won't have to worry about them :D —  [Ric Laurent] — 22:11, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * We are lucky that the change from Moldavian to Romanian was official and popular with the majority of Moldovans, quite the opposite to Serbo-Croatian unification in the Wiktionary. There was also some noteable resistence to latinisation by the minority, well, including on the internet. "We are Romanians" and "We are NOT Romanians" were the two common opposing phrases. The script (Cyrillic/Roman) and the name of the language (Romanian/Moldavian) were the major issues. --Anatoli 22:25, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * POPOR ROMÂN - LIMBǍ ROMÂNǍ - lol. —  [Ric Laurent] — 22:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, I know. The movement was also quite hurtful for people of mixed origin (Russian, Ukrainian) or heavily russified. Well, the reunification movement is quite weak now and most Moldavians seek employment and education in Russia, not in Romania. This has little to do with the vote, I'm just mentioning this to show that it's not so straightforward. --Anatoli 22:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe not socio-politically that simple, but linguistically, it so is lol... Btw that last response you made was 420 bytes haha :D —  [Ric Laurent] — 22:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Ivan Štambuk 22:25, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Ivan Štambuk 22:25, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Oppose
I oppose it. The issue is controversial, however the people of Moldova(at least some) have their right for self-determination including the name of the language. Not to mention the Constitution where it's stated that the language is Moldavian. There is also Cyrillic version that was used in MSSR and still used in Transnistria. Please re-open this page!!!


 * Do you wish to say that according to the Moldovan constitution Moldova uses the Moldovan language? Can you provide the source. Also, here we don't decide the fate of the language, just making the efforts easier - treating Moldavian and Romanian together in Cyrillic and Roman scripts. --Anatoli (обсудить) 23:57, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Decision

 * Passes, unanimous support. --JorisvS 09:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)