Wiktionary:Votes/2012-04/Languages with limited documentation

Languages with limited online documentation

 * Voting on: Three changes on the the criteria for inclusion page and the creation of one sub-page to address the difficulties in finding adequate source material to attest languages with limited documentation available online. Also, minor changes of "usage" to "use" for consistency and deletion of one instance of the word "or."

At CFI, replacement of (changes are shown in boldface): with

Below that section, between the subsections "Conveying meaning" and "Independent," insertion of the following section (blue text indicates a hyperlink to be added):

In the "Natural Languages" section on the CFI page, the addition of the following section (hyperlinked from the section above):

The creation of a page at CFI/Languages with limited online documentation with the following text (hyperlinked from "other languages with limited online documentation" above and the blue text "languages with limited online documentation" below hyperlinked back to the added section above):

Examples of relevant languages and words  '''Use in extinct languages would not be affected. The following endangered languages would be allowed under this proposal. Items 1 and 2 are courtesy of Metaknowledge, item 3 is courtesy of Ungoliant, and item 4 is courtesy of Xavier Barker:''' '''The following languages are not endangered but have limited written documentation. Items 1 to 3 are courtesy of Metaknowledge and item 4 is courtesy of Christopher Weedall:'''
 * 1) Krio: famble
 * 2) Bislama: ovaspen
 * Category:Hunsrik nouns
 * 1) Nauru Pacific Pidgin - a language in Nauru with about 8000 people documented in only one source
 * 2) Lushootseed: ʔux̌áx̌ƛʼil
 * 3) * 1996 — ed. by Crisca Bierwert, Lushootseed Texts, pp. 124-125: not on Google at all or in the Lushootseed Dictionary by Dawn Bates, Thom Hess and Vi Hilbert
 * ʔux̌áx̌ƛʼil - They screeched.
 * 1) Ditidaht: t’abuuk’ʷ
 * 2) * 1987 — Allis Pakki Chipps-Sawyer, Standing on the Edge of Yesterday: A Dilemma of Oral Knowledge Survival in a West Coast Family [], p. 106 (PDF page 118): not on Google at all even though the PDF is on the Internet
 * t’abuuk’ʷ - Kingfisher
 * 1) Makah: ƛ̓ikatšiƛ
 * 2) * 2002, Matthew Davidson, Studies in Southern Wakashan (Nootkan) Grammar, page 430
 * ƛ̓ikatšiƛ - start walking
 * 1) * 2002, Matthew Davidson, Studies in Southern Wakashan (Nootkan) Grammar, page 430
 * ƛ̓ikatšiƛ - start walking
 * 1) Fiji Hindi: Μετάknowledge notes that the terms for Fiji Hindi already on Wiktionary would not likely pass the CFI
 * 2) Tok Pisin: kaukau
 * 3) Pijin: sios
 * 4) Zarma - a thesis on Zarma is expected in the near future by Christopher Weedall
 * 1) Zarma - a thesis on Zarma is expected in the near future by Christopher Weedall
 * 1) Zarma - a thesis on Zarma is expected in the near future by Christopher Weedall


 * Vote starts: 00:01, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 23:59, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Vote created: BenjaminBarrett12 (talk) 21:27, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] WT:Beer_parlour
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] User talk:BenjaminBarrett12
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/2012-04/Languages with limited documentation - includes a background and further information
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Relevant past votes
 * Votes/pl-2007-12/Attestation_criteria - a proposed point system for judging attestation
 * Wiktionary_talk:Votes/pl-2010-12/Attestation_of_extinct_languages - includes discussion of defining an extinct language, usage vs. mention, and the term contemporaneous (renamed from Wiktionary_talk:Votes/pl-2011-05/Attestation_of_extinct_languages)
 * Wiktionary_talk:Votes/pl-2011-05/Attestation_of_extinct_languages_2
 * Votes/pl-2011-05/Attestation_of_extinct_languages_3
 * Votes/2012-03/CFI_for_Endangered_Languages - the immediate predecessor to this proposal
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Relevant past discussions
 * Beer_parlour_archive/2010/November - same as "Ancient Greek discussion" link above
 * Beer_parlour
 * Beer_parlour_archive/2007/November
 * Beer_parlour
 * Beer_parlour
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Requests for languages with limited documentation
 * BP
 * Beer_parlour

Support

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support BB12 (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:03, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 02:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. Jcwf 02:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 03:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support --Vahag (talk) 10:55, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support --Anatoli (обсудить) 01:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —Stephen (Talk) 11:47, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Istafe (talk) 14:19, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 16:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Oppose
Oppose Istafe (talk) 11:46, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  Dan Polansky (talk) 19:54, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You realize you can't vote twice, right? You need to choose one, support or oppose. --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 15:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain  Probably a good proposal, but: tl;dr. -- Liliana • 13:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Decision
Vote passes 9-1-1. I will modify CFI accordingly. Please note that I have stricken both of Istafe's votes, as it is not allowed to vote twice. In any case, his/her vote did not affect the outcome. --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 02:15, 6 June 2012 (UTC)