Wiktionary:Votes/2012-11/Bureaucrats and de-privving

Bureaucrats and de-privving

 * Voting on: two closely-related issues:
 * De-sysopping:
 * Original behavior: Up until a few years ago, members of the "Bureaucrats" group had the ability to add users to the "Administrators" group, but did not have the ability to remove users from this group. Under this behavior, a user who wanted to be de-sysopped would submit his/her request to the Wikimedia Stewards, via Steward requests/Permissions; and similarly in urgent cases of admin vandalism, in cases where the community decided to de-sysop a long-inactive user, and so on. The removal, once effected, would appear in a central log on meta (e.g. at m:Special:Log/rights?page=Fonzy@enwiktionary).
 * Current behavior: A few years ago, a configuration change occurred, apparently inadvertently and without prior discussion here, whereby bureaucrats became able to de-sysop a user. Currently, we can still use Steward requests/Permissions (in which case the priv-removal still goes in that central log), but more often a bureaucrat here handles it, in which case it appears in the user's user-rights log here on en.wikt (e.g. at Special:Log/rights?page=Jeffqyzt).
 * De-bureaucratting:
 * Original behavior: Analogously to the above, bureaucrats had the ability to add users to the "Bureaucrats" group, but not to remove users from it.
 * Current behavior: Analogously to the above, bureaucrats now have the ability to add or remove users to and from the "Bureaucrats" group.
 * Note that, despite our usual practice of sticking with the status quo — even if never voted on — unless there's consensus to change it, seems to feel quite strongly that we must revert to the original behavior unless we have consensus to retain the current behavior. (Originally he argued that we should be forced back to the original behavior regardless of what we want, but he's now accepted the compromise position that we can keep the current behavior if we demonstrate clear consensus to do so.) So, hopefully we have a clear consensus in one direction or the other, to avoid needless complexity on that point. I encourage y'all to try to agree with each other. :-P
 * Vote starts: 00:01, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 23:59, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Vote created: —Ruakh TALK 00:24, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Bureaucrats
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Grease pit archive/2010/March
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Grease pit archive/2011/February
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Grease pit/2012/November
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] 42105
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] 42113

Re: De-sysopping: Support restoring original behavior

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —Stephen (Talk) 01:39, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: De-sysopping: Support retaining current behavior

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  never change a running system -- Liliana • 20:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support - -sche (discuss) 20:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  20:58, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  because we sometimes need direct on-site action (Wonderfool should keep us on our feet, with any luck) and that, to me, is the point of having 'crats here at all. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 03:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 14:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support DCDuring TALK  07:46, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. There are a lot of lingering administrators. At some point in the future, we may need to be able to do this more frequently and, in my opinion, more fluidly. DAVilla 10:05, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  because crats are higher lever than admins and since they are local and they have the privilege of sysopping, they also ought to have the priv to desysop. --biblbroksдискашн 20:36, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: De-sysopping: Abstain

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain Dan Polansky (talk) 21:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: De-bureaucrating: Support restoring original behavior

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  20:58, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —Stephen (Talk) 01:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 03:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support This, that and the other (talk) 06:47, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. There are very few bureaucrats anyway, and it should always take a higher level user to remove privileges. DAVilla 10:05, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  per DAVilla. --biblbroksдискашн 20:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: De-bureaucrating: Support retaining current behavior

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  -- Liliana • 20:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support - -sche (discuss) 20:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC) While I feel strongly that bureaucrats need to be able to desysop other users, because we've had to emergency-desysop at least two people that I know of and probably more before my time, I don't feel strongly about de-bureaucrating. I've therefore struck my vote, so that consensus will be as clear as possible. - -sche (discuss) 17:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: De-bureaucrating: Abstain

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain Dan Polansky (talk) 21:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Decisions
For desysoping, retention of current behavior passes 8–1–1; thus, our bureaucrats can continue to desysop. For debureaucratting, restoration of original behavior passes 6–1–1; thus, we should request of those with the ability to do so that they restrict our bureaucrats from debureaucratting. (And, meanwhile, I suppose, our bureaucrats shouldn't debureaucrat.) &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 06:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I've updated 42113 accordingly. —Ruakh TALK 11:05, 3 January 2013 (UTC)