Wiktionary:Votes/bt-2010-12/User:MalafayaBot for operation in Article namespace

User:MalafayaBot for operation in article namespace

 * Nomination: I hereby request authorization to run User:MalafayaBot in the article namespace for the following purposes:
 * interwiki linking of articles (a few examples; please ignore 2008 contribution which was made in Wikipedia). Currently, Interwicket hasn't been running leaving this gap which can't be filled by a single pywikipedia-based bot.
 * no existing redirects will be removed due to operation in "-auto" mode.
 * the bot is already flagged and running in the Category namespace, so no flag is needed.
 * Malafaya 14:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Vote ends: 23:59 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Vote started: 14:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] WT:GP

Support

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  When I look at Recent Changes, it clearly becomes apparent that we need a few more interwiki bots. Since this one has already been operating, it makes it an ideal candidate. -- Prince Kassad 16:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  ditto -- Mutante 22:14, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Mglovesfun (talk) 22:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC) User has proven himself to be reliable in the past, so if there are more problems, I fully expect him to solve them responsibly. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —Internoob (Disc•Cont) 00:22, 7 January 2011 (UTC) per above
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support - I noticed that page too late. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 19:36, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose   — without prejudice — if I understand correctly that the bot will simply behave in our entry-space the way it behaves in Wikipedia articles and in our category-space. Wiktionary entries use a different logic for interwikis, so a custom bot is required. —Ruakh TALK 16:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Care to elaborate? Especially as we already have other interwiki bots running here. -- Prince Kassad 16:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * On Wikipedia, and in our category system, a bot has no real way of determining that two pages should link to each other, except by assuming that interwikis are supposed to be symmetric (if en:A links to fr:B, then fr:B should link to en:A) and transitive (if en:A links to both fr:B and de:C, then fr:B and de:C should link to each other). This approach depends on "seeding" by human editors: if no one ever adds interwikis manually, then the interwiki bots will have nothing to do.
 * In Wiktionary entries, an interwiki bot can work on a completely different approach: if en:A and fr:A both exist, then they should link to each other. No human intervention required. (That's what Interwicket used to do.)
 * I believe that the "other interwiki bots running here" that you mention operate on a Wikipedia or category system, and that MalafayaBot does the same. This isn't really detrimental — it's inefficient, and can propagate errors, (see Malafaya's correction below) but it's not the end of the world — but we also don't gain anything by having larger numbers of such bots. I'm pretty sure the current shortage of interwikis isn't because we don't have enough interwiki-bots of this type, but because our humans, and Interwicket, aren't seeding the interwiki graph they require. (And also, because of the lack of recent database dumps.)
 * I guess I could have abstained rather than opposing, because I don't think MalafayaBot would really be detrimental, but on the other hand, it's currently doing useful things, so why should it expend its effort on something not-useful?
 * —Ruakh TALK 17:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * In Wiktionaries' article namespace (running in -wiktionary mode), and unlike Wikipedias', the bot requires pages to have the same title. It will simply ignore pages having different names. It will not follow any interwikis blindly. This ultimately results in redirects not being followed as they yield a final page with a different title. Nevertheless, the bot won't remove any interwikis already in place so redirects will be kept (though not "harvested"). As for time wasting, I usually run the bot against categories every 2 weeks, after manually finding correspondence in other Wiktionaries. The article namespace has none of this manual work (no "seeding" required) so in practical terms it doesn't really take up any extra time (run and go). Malafaya 14:42, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose. --Yair rand (talk) 09:44, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Decision
4–2 fails. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 18:35, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your participation in the vote. Malafaya 01:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC)