Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2009-08/Add en: to English topical categories

Add en: to English topical categories

 * Voting on: Add the en: prefix to topical categories such as Latin derivations and Sexuality.
 * Justification: The English Wiktionary seems to be the only one that does not put any language indicator on its categories in the local language. This messes up interwikis, with categories requiring two or three interwikis per language. Categories like Latin derivations are obviously not deleted, just kept as macro-categories to house all the others. Modifying and  shouldn't be too difficult, although it will be a strain on the server. Creating the new categories will be time consuming but once it is done, it will be done forever. Advantages include (a) clearing up interwikis on here and on other Wiktionaries where they wrongly get imported from here, because Category:Vulgarities and Category:en:Vulgarities are all in one, as well as (b) being more consistent with other Wiktionaries.


 * Vote starts: 00:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 24:00, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Vote created: Mglovesfun (talk) 15:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2009-06/Add en: prefix to topical categories ('test' vote to see people's reactions)
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Beer parlour
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2009-08/Add en: to English topical categories (this vote's talkpage)

Support

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Mglovesfun (talk) 09:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Daniel. 08:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Nadando 08:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —Ruakh TALK 12:58, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support - Adding 'en:' is not necessarily the only solution but it's one of them. Basically I support the separation into 2 categories. Malafaya 14:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support after giving some thought. --Vahagn Petrosyan 21:47, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support at long last. DAVilla 03:27, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support, weakly. I don't see the huge advantage in this, but the reasons noted above seem to show that there is some advantage.  &#x200b;—  msh210  ℠  17:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Dan Polansky 20:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC) I support above all uncluttering English topical categories by removing from them non-English topical subcategories. Whether the language of a topical category should be indicated using an ISO-prefix or using other naming convention is a separate topic. Some naming schemes: (a) "en:Trees", (b) "Trees in English", (c) "English: Trees", (d) "English – Trees" and for a uncountable name (a) "en:Chemistry", (b) "Chemistry in English", (c) "English: Chemistry", (d) "English – Chemistry". --Dan Polansky 20:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support — [&#32;R·I·C&#32;] opiaterein — 22:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Equinox ◑ 22:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC) for consistency if nothing else.
 * 12) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Bequw → ¢ • τ 00:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Bequw → ¢ • τ 00:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Bequw → ¢ • τ 00:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose < class="latinx">Ƿidsiþ 09:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose EncycloPetey 00:14, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose — Carolina wren discussió  03:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC) While a distinction does need to be made, it should be done in a way that is user friendly to monolingual English speakers, and this is not it.  Indeed, the whole scheme for using ISO codes in Category names isn't user friendly. There are several alternatives that could accomplish the goal is a user friendly fashion.  — Carolina wren discussió  03:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Robert Ullmann 14:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] I think having (English) words right in the topical categories helps reinforce the category tree structure for readers and editors.  And why would we restructure the category tree this way only for subject fields, but not for other usage categories (like regionalisms, dated, or offensive terminology)? —Michael Z. 2009-09-29 05:11 z 
 * I think your question has a mistaken presupposition. By my reading, this proposal does cover all of those, since they're all in within the Category:*Topics hierarchy, making them "topical categories". And the proposal text includes such examples as Category:Latin derivations and Category:Vulgarities, which strike me as closely analogous to your examples. —Ruakh TALK 05:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] per above.  The categories are fine right where they are.  No need to change them all. Razorfl<b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 04:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose DCDuring TALK 14:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC) Insufficient attention to user consequences. It seems to me peculiar to not have the language of each wiktionary distinguished from other languages by default. To have uniformity for the sake of bot authors seems backwards. DCDuring TALK 14:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose DCDuring TALK 14:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC) Insufficient attention to user consequences. It seems to me peculiar to not have the language of each wiktionary distinguished from other languages by default. To have uniformity for the sake of bot authors seems backwards. DCDuring TALK 14:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain —Stephen 10:59, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Decision

 * Vote ends with result 12-7-1 --Volants 09:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup. No consensus. —Ruakh <i >TALK</i > 16:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That amounts to 63% in support. --Dan Polansky 10:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)