Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2011-03/Default language of templates that require a language

Default language of templates that require a language

 * Voting on: Whether templates that require a language (code) parameter should default to no language (invalid) in the case that no such parameter was added in the template call.
 * Vote starts: 00:01, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 23.59, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Vote created: —CodeCat 12:33, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] WT:BP
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2011-03/Default language of templates that require a language

Full support - Templates should never default to English - add the page to a cleanup category if the language is missing

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —CodeCat 16:16, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support, even though DCDuring is going to complain immigrants are oppressing English-only contributors. --Vahag 17:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Partial support - Templates should default to English only if they are templates

 * [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. I'm not sure a vote is in order at this time, as there hasn't been much discussion on this issue, so that people (myself, I assume, included) are going to vote without having seen all of the arguments in favor of the various options. (Also, the options are strange: what if someone wants English to be the default on only some other subset of templates, not precisely the templates?) Nonetheless, since there is a vote, I'm voting for what I think is best.  templates take up valuable room on the definition line (in the wiki code) before the definition, so it is a shame to burden English definitions with the added code  . It is easy enough to make them default to English and to have KassadBot (the current auroformatting bot) add   to all the foreign entries. (I'm no coder, but I've been assured that this is something the bot can do.) &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 17:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC) 16:39, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  Dan Polansky 08:01, 23 March 2011 (UTC) I am not convinced that we should write  instead of  in etymologies (non-context template). Nor do I want to write  instead of, or  instead of  (context template). Right now, this vote does not provide any rationale that would make me switch to support or at least abstain. Thank you for the vote! --Dan Polansky 08:01, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose This is the English Wiktionary, English should always be the default. (Good heavens, I actually agree with Dan P!) SemperBlotto 10:01, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose. As discussed on the talkpage, this "oppose" option does not mean all templates should default to English, but, rather, means that the status quo whould prevail (no voted-upon rules, only common law). I oppose, then, simply because I've realized (because Dan's mentioned it (thanks, Dan)) that there's another template that I want to default to English: { {etyl}} (second parameter). I recommend that if another vote is taken on this issue it be on the  templates only: should they default to English (the status quo), default to an error (require  ), or by default not categorize. Just a thought. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 16:39, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 17:53, 24 March 2011 (UTC) and I think it should, indeed, default to English.
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  Mglovesfun (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2011 (UTC) for wording reasons initially. I like Ruakh don't want this to be a 'concept' with no detail on how to implement this. --Mglovesfun (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Leasnam (talk) pretty much the same as all of the above.
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  Daniel. 00:21, 4 April 2011 (UTC) Per Dan Polansky, SemperBlotto and msh210. --Daniel. 00:21, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain.  It might be useful to add pages to a cleanup category if it was a matter of incidental omission, but on the other hand, this is the English language Wiktionary, so the default is reasonable.--Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 08:59, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain. I support in principle — even for context templates — but not without some explanation of how we intend to effect the transition. —Ruakh TALK 17:27, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain &mdash;Internoob (Disc•Cont) 18:33, 17 April 2011 (UTC) per Ruakh

Decision
Fails: no new rule is implemented. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)