Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2012-03/ELE text about wikifying language names

ELE text about wikifying language names

 * Voting on:
 * Removing this text from WT:ELE:
 * The names of languages which are expected to be well-known among English speakers are not to be wikified, while language names which may not be known to the average person or are potentially subject to confusion are to be wikified. Details and a list of affected languages are listed on Translations/Wikification.[1]
 * Rationale:
 * Language names are no longer wikified at all per consensus at WT:Beer parlour archive/2011/December.


 * Vote starts: 10:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 10.15, 3 April 2012 (UTC) (7 days later)


 * Vote created: --Daniel 10:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] WT:Beer parlour archive/2011/December
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Entry layout explained
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2012-03/ELE text about wikifying language names

Support

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support --Daniel 10:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Vote doesn't start for two days...? --Yair rand (talk) 10:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Starts immediately, ends 7 days later. I messed up the dates for a moment accidentally, but that's all fixed now. --Daniel 10:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 11:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —CodeCat 12:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. --Yair rand (talk) 12:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support, but please don't do this change prematurely. -- Liliana • 14:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * What needs to be done before this is effected, or... well, what do you mean? &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 15:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to this. -- Liliana • 15:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 15:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 15:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC) although I do seem to remember a bit of confusion in relation to two unrelated languages called Galician.  --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Maro 20:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. —Ruakh TALK 01:30, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 12:52, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support &mdash;AugPi 13:44, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Dan Polansky (talk) 18:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC) Linking no language is one of the two most simple policies with close to no disadvantages: at worst, the person who does not know the language can select the name in Wiktionary, copy it to clipboard, and paste it to Wiktionary search field. Pasting the language name to Wikipedia could be more useful anyway. ---Dan Polansky (talk) 18:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 9) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support --Vahag (talk) 14:31, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  DAVilla 04:49, 29 March 2012 (UTC) I don't think it necessary to link nearly as many languages as we do. The top 40 rule was rather arbitrary from the beginning. Still, I'm not against linking some of the really obscure languages, and there still might be good reason for others, per EncycloPetey.
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  EncycloPetey (talk) 02:43, 30 March 2012 (UTC) There are some languages that are regularly confused by name (e.g., Scots vs. Scots Gaelic), and a link cannot but help disambiguate them.  I wouldn't mind linking less, but think we ought to link some. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:43, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) Abstain. As I understand it, this was not the consensus of WT:Beer parlour archive/2011/December. The consensus was to remove the links from language templates which under the current system means that  will unlink them in translation sections. The fact that under our current system, one implies the other doesn't mean that both have a consensus. See also the talk page. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. The title of that section is "Poll: language linking in translation sections", but then the options include "I want all language templates to be unlinked" and "I want all language templates to be linked". So that section was clearly set up under the assumption that one does imply the other, and most voters seem to have shared that assumption, in that only one voter (yourself) seems to have even noticed that the assumption was being made; everyone else seems to have either taken it for granted without thinking, or else must have considered the distinction and not minded. —Ruakh TALK 01:29, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Either way, language names in translation sections have been unlinked. This link is an amusing mass-unlinking in water, for example. --Daniel 09:21, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * @Ruakh I totally agree, very well explained. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Decision

 * Vote passes 14-2-1. --Yair rand (talk) 16:08, 3 April 2012 (UTC)