Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-01/Automated transliterations

Automated transliterations
Voting on:

Removing this rule from WT:EL:


 * Add a transliteration or romanization of a translation into a language that does not use the Roman alphabet. Note however that only widespread romanization systems may be used. See Transliteration.

Adding this rule in its place:


 * Translations not in the Latin script should display a transliteration according to that language's transliteration policy, unless the policy states otherwise.

Rationale:
 * This vote is expected to codify common practice. It is believed that people are not supposed to "add a transliteration or romanization" at all times; rather, there are times when automatic transliterations are to be used, as described in the proposed text.
 * The statement "Note however that only widespread romanization systems may be used." is incorrect. Not just any random transliteration system may be used, it should follow the appropriate Wiktionary-established conventions, as states in the proposed text.

Notes:
 * The earliest versions of the current rule apparently were these, created before the advent of Lua/Scribunto, and automatic romanizations:
 * diff: "If that language does not use the Roman alphabet, it is helpful to add a transliteration or romanization." (by Eclecticology on 28 December 2005)
 * diff: "If a word is translated into a language that does not use the Roman alphabet, it is helpful to add a transliteration or romanization. Note however that only widespread romanization systems may be used. See Transliteration." (by Ncik on 15 March 2006)
 * This is the second version of the vote, after Votes/pl-2016-01/Automated transliterations/old.

Schedule:
 * Vote starts: 00:00, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 23:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Vote created: --Daniel Carrero (talk) 03:55, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Beer parlour/2016/January
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2016-01/Automated transliterations

Support

 * 1)  --Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:45, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: in the first draft of this vote, the proposed text actually mentioned that some languages have automated translations, whereas the current version just refers to the language-specific transliteration policies without mentioning the word "automated" anywhere. So, "Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-01/ Automated transliterations " made sense before, it does not make as much sense now. It's an artifact title, as TV Tropes would put it. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 16:34, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: as discussed in the talk page, we probably should create Serbo-Croatian transliteration to mention that Serbo-Croatian does not have actual transliterations. It lists Latin script and Cyrillic script entries equally, AFAICT. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 11:29, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 1)  Reflects current practice. This, that and the other (talk) 01:27, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 2)  --WikiTiki89 15:45, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 3)  —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 04:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 4)  - -sche (discuss) 05:32, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 5)  --Vahag (talk) 21:37, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 6)  — The “unless the policy states otherwise” bit confused me somewhat, however. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 01:31, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The purpose of that bit was to allow for Serbo-Croatian transliteration, for example, to state that transliterations are unnecessary for Cyrillic Serbo-Croatian terms, since the equivalent Latin spelling is given anyway. --WikiTiki89 04:02, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 1)  -Xbony2 (talk) 19:28, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) . The change brings ELE closer to actual practice, which is good. However, we have no transliteration policies, AFAIK, only policy drafts and guidelines. I guess this issue is not enough for me to oppose, but let no one claim that the transliteration pages were made policies via this vote. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:30, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You're right. Maybe the choice of the word "policy" to refer to the language-specific guidelines was a poor choice. Perhaps we could change it to "guideline" without a vote? --WikiTiki89 15:01, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Decision
Passes without opposition. This, that and the other (talk) 00:40, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Edited WT:EL.
 * Created Serbo-Croatian transliteration. (a draft)
 * --Daniel Carrero (talk) 00:54, 14 March 2016 (UTC)