Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-02/Entry name 3

Entry name 3
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Adding some text in WT:EL. (added text is underlined) The name of the entry is the term, phrase, symbol, morpheme or other lexical unit being defined.

For languages with two cases of script, the entry name usually begins with a lowercase letter. For example, use for the English noun and verb, not "". Words and phrases which begin with a capital letter in running text are exceptions. Typical examples include proper nouns, German nouns , and many abbreviations. Compare: and. If someone tries accessing the entry with incorrect capitalization, the software will try to redirect to the correct page automatically.

Omit an initial article unless it makes a difference in the meaning. E.g., instead of. For multi-word entries, prefer the generic personal pronoun for the main entry. (,, , , etc.) Common forms with other pronouns are usually redirected to the main form. For example, would be the main entry and these are some entries that would redirect to it:, , , , , etc. Use the infinitive form of the verb (but without ) for the principal verb of a verbal phrase, for example:. In English, sometimes the lemma should include a specific personal pronoun. For example, the proverb would be the lemma, not. For prefixes, suffixes and other morphemes in most languages, place the character "-" where it links with other words:, , , etc.

When multiple capitalizations, punctuation, diacritics, ligatures, scripts and combinations with numbers and other symbols exist, such as (as in "frying pan"),  (the Greek god),  (meaning "all-") and  (Japanese for "bread"), use the template  at the top of the page to cross-link between them. When there are too many variations, place them in a separate appendix page, in this case Appendix:Variations of "pan".

Use the "Alternative forms" header for variations of the same word kept in multiple pages, includ ing :


 * regional variations:, ; ,
 * historical variations:, ; ,
 * hyphenization/compounds:, ,
 * style variation: ,
 * some misspellings: see WT:CFI
 * uncertain capitalization: ,
 * different scripts:, (Serbo-Croatian for ) (sometimes, this is located in the headword line)

Some page titles can't be created because of restrictions in the software, usually because they contain certain symbols such as # or |, or are too long. The full list of those entries is at Appendix:Unsupported titles. They are named using the descriptive format "Unsupported titles/Number sign", while using JavaScript to show the correct title like a normal entry.

Matched-pairs, such as brackets and quotation marks, can be defined together as single entries. The entries are named with a space between the left and right characters. Examples:, [ ] , “ ”, ‘ ’, " ", „ ”, « », ⌊ ⌋, ¡ ! and ¿ ?.


 * References

Removing the whole section WT:CFI.

Many phrases take several forms. It is not necessary to include every conceivable variant. When present, minor variants should simply redirect to the main entry. For the main entry, prefer the most generic form, based on the following principles:
 * Idiomatic phrases

Prefer the generic personal pronoun, one or one’s. Thus, feel one’s oats is preferable to feel his oats. Use of other personal pronouns, especially in the singular, should be avoided except where they are essential to the meaning.
 * Pronouns (subsection)

Omit an initial article unless it makes a difference in the meaning. E.g., cat’s pajamas instead of the cat’s pajamas.
 * Articles (subsection)

Use the infinitive form of the verb (but without “to”) for the principal verb of a verbal phrase. Thus for the saying It’s raining cats and dogs, or It was raining cats and dogs, or I think it’s going to rain cats and dogs any minute now, or It’s rained cats and dogs for the last week solid the entry should be (and is) under rain cats and dogs. The other variants are derived by the usual rules of grammar (including the use of it with weather terms and other impersonal verbs).
 * Verbs (subsection)

A proverb entry's title begins with a lowercase letter, whether it is a full sentence or not. The first word may still be capitalized on its own:
 * Proverbs (subsection)
 * you can't judge a book by its cover
 * Rome wasn't built in a day

Rules moved from WT:CFI to WT:EL:
 * prefer the generic personal pronoun, one or one’s
 * omit the initial article
 * use the infinitive form of the verb (without to)
 * a proverb entry's title begins with a lowercase letter

New rules added to WT:EL which weren't taken from WT:CFI:
 * use redirects in some cases
 * explaining the difference between -related entries and alternative forms
 * mentioning that sometimes, different scripts are found in the headword line

Rationale:
 * Having a more complete WT:EL by adding some entry name information that wasn't there yet.
 * Removing WT:CFI; arguably, the affected rules are not about criteria for inclusion.

Schedule:
 * Vote starts: 00:00, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 23:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Vote created: --Daniel Carrero (talk) 21:19, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Beer parlour/2016/February
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2016-02/Entry name 3

Support

 * 1)  --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:06, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) The "compare" doesn't flow well and is missing context; the second paragraph talks about a grab-bag of different things (articles, pronouns, infinitives, affixes) in no particular order, which might be better served by splitting it into smaller paragraphs of one or two sentences each; the sentence "In English, sometimes the lemma should include a specific personal pronoun. For example, the proverb you can't fight City Hall would be the lemma, not one can't fight City Hall" doesn't make any sense to me and needs to be better explained; vague remarks like "sometimes, this is located in the headword line" (when is "sometimes"?) are decidedly unhelpful in a policy document. I like to think of myself as a positive person, and yet I'm opposing almost all of this vote, but there you are... This, that and the other (talk) 02:17, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback, I'll use it in a later vote after this one ends. :) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Only controversial changes need to be voted on. Copyediting doesn't need to be voted on, and shouldn't be (it's annoying bureaucracy). - -sche (discuss) 05:46, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 1)  Needs rewrite. Not worth rewriting. DCDuring TALK  13:49, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 2)  I'm not sure why we are replacing something simple and organized with something complicated and disorganized. --WikiTiki89 20:11, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * 3)  mostly because you can't fight City Hall is linked but isn't a page :o -Xbony2 (talk) 19:31, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * 4) I feel like this "rewrite" takes away more than it gains. --Neskaya sprecan? 16:33, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Firstly, since Japanese get Romanisation entries, I don't think  would/should be included in the  list for . Secondly, – is a better example of a historically varying spelling than –. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:44, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Decision
Fails 1–5. This, that and the other (talk) 09:10, 15 March 2016 (UTC)