Wiktionary talk:About Japanese/Draft

形容動詞: what to call these in English?
I confess I'm unhappy with the current policy to list 形容動詞 under an === Adjective === header, in no small part since these are also adverbs, and having to either include a separate === Adverb === header, or just include the adverb sense under the === Adjective === header, both strike me as clumsy and inelegant ways of going about it.

Using a header like === Quasi-adjective === also seems clumsy, just because the term itself seems half-baked and too long, and seems unprofessional in that "quasi-adjective" isn't used that much in linguistics, as far as I'm aware.

What would folks say to using a header like === Nominal ===? "Nominal" shows up with some frequency as a gloss or translation for 形容動詞, and is both short and a well-used linguistic term. The WP page for Adjectival noun (Japanese) mentions "nominal", for instance. I'd like to also avoid using the term "adjectival noun", in part as it's a bit of a mouthful, and in part because so many 形容動詞 just aren't nouns -- 静か, 華やか, でぶでぶ, 特別, etc. etc., can be used attributively (as adjectives or adverbs), but cannot be used as the agent or patient (i.e. the subject) of a sentence. I suppose we could use "adjectival noun" to be roughly in line with WP (see also Japanese adjectives and for some further reference points on English usage), provided we also edit the  page to match.

As a side note, should we create an Appendix:Japanese adjectives page?

Any thoughts? -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 16:40, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree
 * It occurs to me that we have to decide if we continue using ja-noun, ja-adj, and ja-pos, or create a new POS template (ja-nom?). What about using the POS header Nominal but using the pre-existing templates as desired case-by-case, like 野蛮?
 * By the way, did anybody notice the category Category:Japanese quasi adjectives? Looks like it was created, used briefly, and abandoned as it was.
 * I hope we can move forward with this work with some reasonable speed. It's been ten days since the Nominal proposal. If there are any other active editors--and I haven't seen any particularly active ones--they seem to be abstaining. Haplogy 05:12, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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