Wiktionary talk:About Old Turkic

Transliteration
, the other day created the reference template R:otk:Bitig, which I  to add more functionality. In the process, I created two modules, Module:typing-aids/data/Orkh and Module:Orkh-Bitig-translit, one for converting the transcription system used at Bitig to unicode characters, and the other for the reverse, i.e  and.

So that's all good and well, but I had a few questions: 1a) Is there a desire to add transliteration of OT by default, and 1b) if so, what transliteration system should be used? The one employed by Bitig is really just intended for use on their website, but I haven't seen people using either. 2) Can vowels be predicted, or is it a true abjad, and, 3) now that we have ts, should transcriptions be moved to that field? Thanks. --Victar (talk) 17:19, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 1b) I like j¹b¹z-type of translitteration. At least it's better than JBz. 2) I don't think that the vowels are always entirely predictable, 𐰘𐰃𐰞 (yïl) has j2il1, for instance. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 21:41, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello Victar, thanks for your work. We can add the transliteration by default, however vowels can not be predicted; as you can read as "aybïz", "yabaz", "aybaz", "ayabaz", "ayabïz" etc... It is not true abjad, there are some rules but there is also lots of exceptions. I havent really employed "tr=" vs "ts=" in Old Turkic, but yes we can move them to transcriptions. However I must warn that bitig.org somewhat uses a standardised runic characters seen in Kül Tegin, Bilge Kagan and Tonyukuk inscriptions for all kind of attestations and ignores the rest. --Anylai (talk) 19:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, there are several, somewhat similar, transliteration systems. I've made a chart with my recommendations. Using subscript instead of superscript, ex., , would be akin to how it is done , but I don't care either way. All that matters really is the unicode. --Victar (talk) 21:20, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and created a default xlit module for OT, ex. (originally ), , ,. --Victar (talk) 19:26, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Why did you decide for ? Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 19:43, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You can find that here. --Victar (talk) 20:06, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I saw that chart, I was just wondering why you decided to go with that particular one. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 20:08, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, if you have a look at the chart, 𐰜 is commonly represented by k with a combining o, which is also reminiscent of a combining circle (◌̊) used for syllabic consonants. What do you recommend otherwise? --Victar (talk) 20:14, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah OK. No, I'm not against it, just wanted to hear the rationale. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 16:43, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

This is great, thank you. Crom daba (talk) 21:36, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * , no problem. --Victar (talk) 22:51, 30 September 2018 (UTC)