Wiktionary talk:Votes/2009-03/User:Razorflame for Import Status

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Special:Import doesn't seem to allow transwikiing from other Wiktionaries: it only allows from other projects. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.) Do you, Razorflame, still want the flag then?—msh210 ℠  18:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the import flag that I have on the Simple English Wikipedia, it does allow for transwiking from other Wikipedias, so I would think that if I got the importer flag here, it would allow for the transwiking of pages from the other Wiktionaries :) as well, because of the reasoning that it allows me to transwiki pages from English Wikipedia to Simple English Wikipedia. Cheers, Razorflame 18:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * See File:Transwiki-projects.png.—msh210 ℠  18:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You are an administrator, so your import rights are a little different than an importer's rights :). Cheers, Razor<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 19:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It is nice to know exactly what is being sought, then. The page m:help:import gives some indication: It seems that an importer will be able to batch-upload (called "import") files from a local text file; such text-file imports can be made from any WMF project, or, for that matter, from whole cloth. Also, he will be able to upload as admins do, directly from other English-language projects without a local download. (A "transwiki importer" can only do that latter.)—msh210 ℠  19:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is what is being sought, because there are pages on the English Wikipeida that I could format for here to be workable definitions and there are pages on other Wiktionaries that would probably be very useful to have here as they would fill in some redlinks that you guys have here. Hope this helps, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 19:33, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A sysadmin can, if we show consensus and request it at bugzilla, allow the "import" flag (the one admins and "transwiki importers" and "importers" have) to include importing from non-English projects, including Simple English Wiktionary. (Fwiw.)—msh210 ℠  19:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see why the Importer flag is disabled here, when it is enabled on other projects. Should we put this vote on hold and put up a new vote for allowing the importer flag in general, or would that be adding too much work?  Cheers, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 19:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see that it's disabled, merely that no one has it. (Is it disabled? Why do you think so, Razorflame?) We recently allowed admins to set the "Autopatroller" group flag when certain voted-upon criteria are met; we can do the same for the "Importer" or "Transwiki importer" group, but it's probably simpler to just vote on the present issue of adding you (Razorflame) such a group.—msh210 ℠  20:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I only said that it was disabled, because you said sysadmin...sorry about that. Ok then, should this vote get started, then? <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 22:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

[moving back to left margin] m:Help:Import, which msh210 linked to above, says that "On Wikimedia wikis upload import is disabled". So the only thing relevant here is transwiki-import. The documentation is slightly confusing, but my understanding matches msh210's: that Razorflame, were we to add him to the "transwiki importer" group, would have the same import ability as sysops — able to transwiki pages only from, , , , , and. So, it seems like we need two votes: —Ruakh <i >TALK</i > 12:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) A vote to allow sysops and transwiki-importers to import pages from, and possibly from other Wiktionaries as well. (Personally, I'd love it if we could enable transwiki imports from all other Wiktionaries.) My understanding matches msh210's, that if this vote passes, then we'd need to open a Bugzilla ticket to have a developer modify our $wgImportSources configuration variable.
 * 2) A vote to add  to the "transwiki importer" group. I assume that Bureaucrats have the ability to add someone to this group?


 * Firstly, if "upload import" is disabled on Wikimedia wikis, how am I able to upload import on the Simple English Wikipedia? Secondly, thanks for your input.  If that is the case, should we hold a vote to allow transwiki importers?  Cheers, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 14:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

rationale
Some rationale as to why the flag is requested was given in the BP or somewhere, but it would be nice to have it listed in the vote proposal IMO.—msh210 ℠  18:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 18:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not being the requester, I do not feel qualified to explain why the request is being made.—msh210 ℠  18:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I was saying sofixit to the vote being listed in the main vote area instead of in the proposed vote area. Feel free to move it if you want :).  Otherwise, I don't know exactly what you were wanting.  Cheers, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 18:46, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I no longer want to have importer status on this Wiktionary. <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 14:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)