Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2015-10/Entry name section

"phrase"
Not all multi-word entries are phrases. See Category:English non-constituents for some examples. There are many more. DCDuring TALK 01:15, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe you are talking about the first sentence "The name of the entry is the word, symbol or phrase being defined."
 * What about: "The name of the entry is the term, phrase, symbol, morpheme or other lexical unit being defined." --Daniel Carrero (talk) 01:26, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I edited the text as I proposed above. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:01, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

"alternative forms" vs. forms that may lead user to entry
We supposedly have a definite meaning to "alternative form". Such items do not appear in.

I don't know a good single phrase or word to characterize the items that do belong in without referring to the search terms users type when looking for an entry. The examples in the proposed text ''Pan. pan-, pan'' illustrate the terminology problem, I think. DCDuring TALK 01:31, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The text is now:
 * When multiple forms exist, such as (as in "frying pan"),  (the Greek god),  (meaning "all-") and  (Japanese for "bread"), use the template  at the top of the page to cross-link between them. When there are too many variations, place them in a separate appendix page, in this case Appendix:Variations of "pan".
 * Maybe we could expand the first part to:
 * When multiple capitalizations, punctuation, diacritics, ligatures, scripts and combinations with numbers and other symbols exist, [...]
 * --Daniel Carrero (talk) 01:46, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I edited the text as I proposed above. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:02, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

morphemes
Morphemes like prefixes, suffixes, and infixes and clitics are also omitted from the three-term list of types of entries. DCDuring TALK 01:21, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I edited the text as I proposed in the section above . The new text mentions morphemes. Feel free to suggest further changes. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Diacritics
The bit about diacritics is very unclear and probably should be omitted, because this is language-specific policy and a plethora of languages do not allow diacritics (or certain ones) in the entry title, so the general statement is not even true. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 02:06, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It also has very little to do with layout. —CodeCat 02:09, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I've removed the whole paragraph about diacritics, per Metaknowledge and CodeCat. I would like to have kept this, but maybe this still sounds somewhat controversial, so I'll wait further discussion or perhaps another vote: "Some languages have special rules concerning diacritics. For the treatment of macrons in Latin entries, see this policy." --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:54, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

For prefixes, suffixes and other morphemes, place the character "-"
Not all languages use "-" as a hyphen character. I got this list from the top of Module:compound. Enosh (talk) 07:11, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * That's true, thanks. I edited that sentence to add "in most languages" (that is, the hyphen is used in most languages). --Daniel Carrero (talk) 08:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Wording suggestions
Nothing too big here, just a couple of suggestions.


 * Exceptions include proper nouns, German nouns, and many abbreviations, which begin with a capital letter in running text: Paris, Neptune, PC, etc.

I would change this just to make it clearer that the exception is the use of the capital letter, not whether or not it's proper/German etc (for example, "Spaniard" is an exception even though it's a common noun):


 * Words which begin with a capital letter in running text are exceptions. Typical examples include proper nouns, German nouns , and many abbreviations .

Also, for non-Japanese speakers I'd recommend using so they can see the romanji. Smurrayinchester (talk) 09:28, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Done. If you have more suggestions, keep 'em coming! --Daniel Carrero (talk) 09:32, 9 November 2015 (UTC)